Democratic Primaries

delisen

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161. It is a matter of analyzing facts not blaming anyone

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 08:29 PM

Apr 2019

The primaries are next year. Much can happen in between.

Nothing to do with purity contests

Nothing to do with working with Republicans -just whether aiming a campaign toward Republican voters helps them down ballot and endangers re-apportionment.

Losing in 2010 was extremely damaging to the Democratic Party. Republicans seized the opportunity to gerrymander and we lost even more seats.

The best way to accept Republican support is to tell them to become Democrats.

The best way to help Democratic candidates down ballot is to support them and not the opposition candidate.

I do not believed what Biden did in 2018 in his Michigan speech and his subsequent turning down the Democrat opponent who asked only that Biden offer a few word of support for him, is acceptable behavior.

To be a voter is to wield power - if we don not use our power what good is it?

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Undecided

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Why Warren is calling out Biden [View all] crazytown Apr 2019 OP

all good points. But we only have one question: who is more likely to beat trump? AlexSFCA Apr 2019 #1

There are lots of arguments in favor of Biden as a candidates crazytown Apr 2019 #3

You're right on the money crazy... we just can't take a chance on status quo...Joe is not the InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #26

You know I don't think Bernie is the right candidate either crazytown Apr 2019 #33

That's ok crazy...I respect your opinion on Bernie... glad we share an appreciation for Eliazabeth. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #39

Agreed loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #131

Yeah. crazytown Apr 2019 #135

Biden will be the candidate in my opinion. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #43

If that's the case, so be it!! We can debate that, but, the voters will have the final say!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #47

Very true. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #55

Agree. nt gateley Apr 2019 #59

It's not about who you could live with. It's about who most of the country could live with. ancianita Apr 2019 #88

That's fine... I'm willing to re-examine ALL of our Democratic candidates. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #90

Will be very hard for Trump to use this TheFarseer Apr 2019 #70

who is more likely is unknowable and dynamic. think Howard Dean. get behind your candidate Kurt V. Apr 2019 #4

I could get excited by Elizabeth's progressive policies... Joe's status quo normalcy, not so much!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #27

We don't have a clue at this point. We won't know who can beat Trump until the election. Autumn Apr 2019 #10

Exactly. nt Blue_true Apr 2019 #14

Why should we assume that Biden, with all his baggage, will be a stronger candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #12

We absolutely should NOT make that assumption!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #29

Three rustbelt states will deny Trump the presidency ...Biden can win those states. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #52

I'm not sure Biden would be TheFarseer Apr 2019 #73

I don't think Biden supporters are able to see how his past can hurt him. marylandblue Apr 2019 #86

Couldn't agree more. Nt TheFarseer Apr 2019 #87

The heartland turned to rust before their eyes crazytown Apr 2019 #89

Well if Biden doesn't get the nomination...Four more years of Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #114

Yeah, you keep saying that, but I don't believe it. marylandblue Apr 2019 #123

You all want what you want, but it is simple really. There are three states that can stop Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #128

"Simple reality" is you are not God to declare what reality is. marylandblue Apr 2019 #129

I said really not reality. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #137

Sorry, I misread it. marylandblue Apr 2019 #144

No problem . I gave you my rational. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #146

Well, your rationale seems to be that he can win those three states, and nobody else can. marylandblue Apr 2019 #147

No ...Ryan might. The rest of our very talented candidates will not for a number of Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #149

MF45 didn't win the rustbelt loves_da_dems Apr 2019 #139

Maybe or maybe he weaopnized the electoral college. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #153

No he would be effective. He has an 85% rating from AFL-CIO. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #113

It boils down to the swing states Dotard managed to barely win treestar Apr 2019 #104

Exactly. And I dont think she can. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #115

What is Biden doing to overcome voter suppression in those states? And Russian interference? pnwmom Apr 2019 #107

Elections are state matters. You know that. But the three states have Democratic Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #116

And that means that Biden's chances might not be greater than ANY other Democrat's. pnwmom Apr 2019 #121

The OP posted the details of a discussion that must happen in debates. Blue_true Apr 2019 #13

So true Blue true...let the voters decide, then vote blue, no matter who!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #30

I would prefer to discuss more recent issues...buy whatever. I would Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #117

No it doesn't mean that. You still need a candidate who can win the state, Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #154

The primary needs to be about issues. mjvpi Apr 2019 #22

Right on!! The Bankruptcy bill was an utter disaster!! Elizabeth is dynamite on this issue InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #31

No they won't. A laundry list of policy won't stop Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #53

Thank you. I see BIG problems coming a year from now if this continues. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #77

Of course a laundry list of policy by itself won't win. marylandblue Apr 2019 #82

Biden has a message. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #118

It would help if someone could tell me what it is, because I've been asking for days, and marylandblue Apr 2019 #122

Tune in on Monday...we don't need a laundry list... Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #130

I didn't ask for a laundry list, and I don't care what he did 20 years ago. marylandblue Apr 2019 #133

I posted an OP where he discusses some of his views. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #136

First and foremost, its about who can beat trump. The rest doesnt matter if you cant do THAT. nt oldsoftie Apr 2019 #75

Beat Trump? not Biden who sacrificed us economically delisen Apr 2019 #34

Well, current polls show him having a good lead over trump. Better than the rest of the field. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #76

....and Russia is just gearing up. delisen Apr 2019 #78

They're at a disadvantage now; we all know about them. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #93

Russia not at a disadvantage. Still active; delisen Apr 2019 #98

Where is this "trump may not be the candidate" stuff coming from? I've seen it a few times today. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #148

Weld already declared; Kasich may be gearing up delisen Apr 2019 #157

They may be tiring of him, but Weld & Kasich will go nowhere trying to defeat trump. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #159

I think hiding Republican connections to Russia delisen Apr 2019 #160

Hilary had a much more unbeatable lead over Obama at this point in 2008. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #111

And i said its still very early. But you can only go by whats happening right now. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #145

Such drama. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #119

It's hard enough to make the case that only Joe Biden is likely KPN Apr 2019 #132

Simple: Biden's way ahead of her. Welcome to the 2020 race. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #2

And the Republicans are going to take up her criticisms. crazytown Apr 2019 #6

The GOP cant say a word about student debt; they've done nothing to help with it. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #23

Republicans will say anything crazytown Apr 2019 #24

Biden worked closely with Republicans in indebting us delisen Apr 2019 #44

If you blame Biden for something as VP, then you've gotta also blame Obama, who was his boss. oldsoftie Apr 2019 #74

This is all about when he was in the Senate. hedda_foil Apr 2019 #112

Not according to the post i was responding to: oldsoftie Apr 2019 #143

It is a matter of analyzing facts not blaming anyone delisen Apr 2019 #161

LEGIT criticisms BTW... Elizabeth is dead on when it comes to the issue of bankruptcy. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #32

We should not let Republicans silence our discussion delisen Apr 2019 #99

Warren isn't going to damage Biden. she is focusing on issues JI7 Apr 2019 #5

She will attack the Bankruptcy Act full bore IMO. crazytown Apr 2019 #7

so what ? JI7 Apr 2019 #8

Graduates, Biden handcuffed you to debt. crazytown Apr 2019 #9

Republicans all voted with the banks. blm Apr 2019 #11

And Biden will get a chance to respond back. If he can't do that effectively, should we nominate Blue_true Apr 2019 #15

Understandable - but she needs more than that. gateley Apr 2019 #65

True dat... Elizabeth will just point out where Joe is wrong on this and many other issues. InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #35

+1. It is a valid and important issue affecting millions dalton99a Apr 2019 #36

She will try to make him seem out of touch and a creature of Wall Street. marylandblue Apr 2019 #37

Bankruptcy act affected people claiming multiple bankruptcies BlueFlorida Apr 2019 #16

that is a bald faced lie dsc Apr 2019 #28

Elizabeth nailed it on bankruptcy law...she's who we should be listening to when it comes that issue InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #41

Actually you can discharge student loans....prove undue hardship. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #126

Of the 72,000 student loans in Bankruptcy proceedings crazytown Apr 2019 #151

Those stats are 10 years old. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #155

She's speaking truth backtoblue Apr 2019 #17

THIS!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #42

Her right. She's a brilliant defender for sure. Not sure Laura PourMeADrink Apr 2019 #18

Excellent points. zentrum Apr 2019 #19

It's not coronation time just yet Boomer Apr 2019 #20

Thank you. This is NOT a normal time. Anything can happen, including the re-election Nay Apr 2019 #38

Democratic Senators who voted for the 2005 Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and Consumer Protection Act Celerity Apr 2019 #21

Wonder why Brownback voted against it? TheFarseer Apr 2019 #85

Desperation move? MineralMan Apr 2019 #25

Elizabeth "doing the Republican's oppo work"?! You can't be serious MM!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #45

Bankruptcy is her specialty and a good part of her life's work crazytown Apr 2019 #48

She's been vocal on this issue for years, in books, articles, and op-eds. Demit Apr 2019 #51

We need to protect ourselves against delisen Apr 2019 #67

I don't think we'll be seeing a Biden/Warren ticket. ucrdem Apr 2019 #40

Or Biden/Beto dalton99a Apr 2019 #50

Well, his chances will be better if he doesn't go nuclear on Biden ucrdem Apr 2019 #54

He never blamed Biden dalton99a Apr 2019 #56

In that case he'd make a good veep who could speak honestly to the issue when it arises. ucrdem Apr 2019 #62

the bankruptcy discharge issue is distinct treestar Apr 2019 #81

Good aeromanKC Apr 2019 #64

For better or for worse ... Laelth Apr 2019 #46

In another Warren vs Biden thread you posted earlier, also criticizing Biden -- an OP you deleted highplainsdem Apr 2019 #49

Well said. nt gateley Apr 2019 #58

I deleted that OP because a number of people found it distressing crazytown Apr 2019 #60

Okay. Understandable, and thanks for explaining. I found the deletion frustrating because I'd highplainsdem Apr 2019 #66

I have reposted screenshots of the discussion crazytown Apr 2019 #68

Just saw that. Wow. Thank you! I didn't mean for you to have to go to that much trouble. highplainsdem Apr 2019 #71

The medical device tax issue is very interesting. ucrdem Apr 2019 #63

I have reposted screenshots of the discussion crazytown Apr 2019 #69

Thank you. I think it's an important addendum to the discussion. ucrdem Apr 2019 #72

Who could get elected Senator who didn't? treestar Apr 2019 #83

Elizabeth might be a politician like everyone else... but, at least she puts InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #96

Wow that makes it very hypocritical treestar Apr 2019 #105

I HATE that Joe supported the Bankruptcy Act -- gateley Apr 2019 #57

Hence her proposal to retire student debt crazytown Apr 2019 #79

No you still can try to make out a case of hardship treestar Apr 2019 #84

It's a catch 22 crazytown Apr 2019 #94

That is not an issue in Bankruptcy court treestar Apr 2019 #95

Yes. Not illness. Not unemployment. Not being divorced. crazytown Apr 2019 #97

I fully support Elizabeth in that effort... everyone should!! InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #91

Me too... that & the Iraq War vote. The rationale of the credit card companies' presence in Delaware InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2019 #92

But Bernie voted for military intervention in Iraq. Twice. ehrnst Apr 2019 #110

BS voted in favor of military intervention in Iraq? N/T lapucelle Apr 2019 #138

Twice in 1998. Go figure. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2019 #158

it's over? Skittles Apr 2019 #134

Joe still more qualified. LakeArenal Apr 2019 #61

Sorry, tell us why you should be POTUS treestar Apr 2019 #80

Because they are champions for women and working families crazytown Apr 2019 #100

not 'serving credit card companies and big banks' treestar Apr 2019 #101

From the same article crazytown Apr 2019 #102

So what is wrong with that? treestar Apr 2019 #103

Look, Senator Biden represented the interests of his constituents, crazytown Apr 2019 #106

We also can't discharge medical debt through bankruptcy because of the Biden law. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #108

I am not sure that is a result of the 2005 Act crazytown Apr 2019 #109

It is not true... all debts except taxes can be discharged...even student loans Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #141

That is untrue. My sister had a medical bankruptcy. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #124

BUT... If you ever come OUT of that hardship... Beartracks Apr 2019 #156

I don't know about that...once discharged it's gone is my understanding Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #163

I agree that the 2005 changes to bankruptcy hit poor people the hardest Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #120

That is untrue also. Poor people easily qualify. The higher your income the more difficult Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #125

I thought that people came under stricter scrutiny of their debt vs their assets Buckeyeblue Apr 2019 #127

Poor people don't have huge assets if any and it also inludes living expenses ,income Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #140

Student Loans - what's wrong with this analysis crazytown Apr 2019 #142

I know how it works and it can be done my niece did it. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #150

See 151 crazytown Apr 2019 #152

The WaPo opinion writer links to Daily Caller and The National Review lapucelle Apr 2019 #162