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pnwmom

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40. You have no evidence that Biden would have won in 2016. He could have lost

Sun Apr 28, 2019, 10:40 PM

Apr 2019

some of the states Hillary won. He's sure he would have done better but that's his ego talking -- he has no evidence. And there is no reason to think that Russia wouldn't have interfered in a 2016 Biden/Trump election -- because they wanted Trump. And no reason to think Biden also wouldn't have been hurt by the same types of voter suppression (new Voter ID laws, etc.) that drove down Hillary's vote. The Supreme Court dismantled the Voting Rights Act in 2013, after Obama's re-election. That would have hurt ANY Democrat.

Biden as hero is just wishful thinking. He dropped out of the first Presidential run after the stories of plagiarism, and he dropped out after his second run when he drew 5th place in Iowa.

The rankings of our current candidates right now are meaningless. At this point in the last election, Trump only had 1%. None of these polls measure anything except name recognition at this point, and Sanders and Biden have the most, for obvious reasons. Jeb Bush was way ahead at this point in 2015 because of his name recognition. But it didn't carry him through the election.

If I were to vote in a presidential
primary today, I would vote for: Joe Biden

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Elie Mystal: "The only people insisting that a woman or minority can't win the presidency ... [View all] StarfishSaver Apr 2019 OP

I voted for a woman in 16 and a minority ( president Obama) in 08 and 12. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #1

Now that there are Democratic governors, that will help ANY Democrat pnwmom Apr 2019 #2

I don't think any woman candidate can win a general We live in Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #6

Hillary won 2.9 million votes more than Trump. I don't believe the voters in those three pnwmom Apr 2019 #9

You are wrong about this...she won the millions of votes alright but not in the rustbelt. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #12

Minnesota's affected by the same issues, and naming some states in the upper midwest "rust belt" pnwmom Apr 2019 #13

Minnesota did not give Trump his win...this is about preventing an Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #14

We only lost by 80K votes and we have Democratic governors now. pnwmom Apr 2019 #15

It is not sexist. I want a woman but do not believe given the nature of this Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #31

SHE WON BY 2.9 MILLION VOTES. pnwmom Apr 2019 #35

She was the best candidate in my lifetime. But she did not win Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #37

You have no evidence that Biden would have won in 2016. He could have lost pnwmom Apr 2019 #40

You have no evidence that he wouldn't have won either. I showed you why he could win but Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #42

It's not a matter of disliking him. It's just not believing that he's the only candidate pnwmom Apr 2019 #45

re: "none can win the three states we need' thesquanderer Apr 2019 #49

I don't buy that he will destroy Warren as a socialist among other things. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #52

Those polls also show Harris and Klobuchar as competitive in these states thesquanderer Apr 2019 #55

And Not Only Men--I Have Several Female Friends Who Won't Support a Female POTUS DoctorJoJo Apr 2019 #17

This is true also. It makes me angry and sad but we have to get Trump out. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #19

"I don't have a problem with a woman president. I just don't think it should be THIS woman." StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #23

It is true. We have to get rid of Trump. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #32

How many times? Well, so far, the line's only been used about HRC. (nt) thesquanderer Apr 2019 #48

There have ALWAYS been women who were sexists. That's nothing new. n/t pnwmom Apr 2019 #46

They said the same thing in 07 tymorial Apr 2019 #3

They did...it was a different time and Romney had a history of destroying jobs Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #8

tRump doesn't? shanny Apr 2019 #30

Not like Romney. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #33

Then hang that label on him. shanny Apr 2019 #34

We have a shot with Biden in Ohio. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #38

He does deserve it. But you won't be able to. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #43

A man is still a man treestar Apr 2019 #24

right elleng Apr 2019 #4

I really don't "get" saying he is "the one" who can win. spooky3 Apr 2019 #7

Trump will win if he takes three states...MI, WI and PA. Biden is the best candidate Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #10

You have no evidence of that (nobody does at this stage). That is my point. spooky3 Apr 2019 #28

Evidence of what that is how Trump wins or that Biden can take the states. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #29

Running a candidate that you admit will be at a disadvantage is madness. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #44

you know the Russians have been n all 50 states robbedvoter Apr 2019 #18

And that means we have to over perform...close elections are easy to steal. Joe is still the one. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #25

The only people insisting that a woman or minority HAS to be nominated Indygram Apr 2019 #5

Exactly...getting rid of Trump is what matters. Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #11

FYI: Hillary Clinton said herself she believes that Americans are not ready for a woman president Thekaspervote Apr 2019 #16

Nice of Biden to help with that robbedvoter Apr 2019 #20

What did Biden do? Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #26

When/where did she say that? StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #21

I never heard her say that. n/t Laelth Apr 2019 #58

Seems like no one did StarfishSaver Apr 2019 #59

I can't seem to find such a quote. Do you have a link? pnwmom Apr 2019 #22

I can't find such a quote. Do you have a link? nt pnwmom Apr 2019 #47

nah. It's about (legit) fear, anger. not a good position. imo Kurt V. Apr 2019 #27

I completely disagree. qwlauren35 Apr 2019 #36

Well said. I agree with you. I thought When Obama was elected and Clinton won the primary we Demsrule86 Apr 2019 #39

It's not the gender or the race these days, I think. It's the person. Honeycombe8 Apr 2019 #41

I have re-thought this. qwlauren35 Apr 2019 #50

They can insist all they want. FM123 Apr 2019 #51

Hmm... I can only see about 10 responses in this thread. n/t demmiblue Apr 2019 #53

That's not true DemocratSinceBirth Apr 2019 #54

I wonder if this isn't a bit of a straw-man argument. Laelth Apr 2019 #56

I'm laughing at this statement beachbum bob Apr 2019 #57