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Renew Deal

(85,436 posts)
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:35 PM Oct 2020

The "Trump will be dead in 48 hours" stories are meant to lower expecations.

Trump never wants anyone to know the real story. So they send the doctors out with sunshine and rainbows and then make anonymous statements saying he won't make it through the night. The goal is to lower expectations and then have a miraculous recovery in a few days.

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The "Trump will be dead in 48 hours" stories are meant to lower expecations. (Original Post) Renew Deal Oct 2020 OP
so he looks like a superman yeah I agree. Point is even if he's doing well now he isn't in control mucifer Oct 2020 #1
I can't take the head games anymore. idziak4ever1234 Oct 2020 #2
I don't think bdamomma Oct 2020 #3
Nobody knows how the disease will progress. The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2020 #4
+++ still_one Oct 2020 #8
+1 Baitball Blogger Oct 2020 #15
that story was put out by none other than his chief of staff mark meadows spanone Oct 2020 #5
Meadows wouldn't make that statement without approval. Renew Deal Oct 2020 #11
Of course he wouldn't spanone Oct 2020 #14
Trump rso Oct 2020 #23
Or to improve morale. Nevilledog Oct 2020 #6
Both sides are happy. Renew Deal Oct 2020 #10
Message auto-removed Name removed Oct 2020 #7
Same here MustLoveBeagles Oct 2020 #12
But every 5 minutes some republican Rice4VP Oct 2020 #9
Outside of DU, I haven't seen a lot of "he'll be dead in 48 hours" TwilightZone Oct 2020 #13
Here's the story that prompted that spanone Oct 2020 #21
Which doesn't say he's going to die in 48 hours TwilightZone Oct 2020 #27
I was literally coming to DU to make this point. He ALWAYS tries to inject diametrically opposed bullwinkle428 Oct 2020 #16
Can you point me to those stories? BannonsLiver Oct 2020 #17
Here... Renew Deal Oct 2020 #25
That doesn't say even remotely what you're asserting it does. TwilightZone Oct 2020 #28
Exactly... regnaD kciN Oct 2020 #18
If Trump recovers quickly it will be because he had access to Regeneron's experimental therapy andym Oct 2020 #19
This is the episode in the Trump show where Trump becomes a victim dalton99a Oct 2020 #20
Trump rso Oct 2020 #22
It's to keep the sympathy coming Buckeyeblue Oct 2020 #24
Only heard he'll be dead in 24 hours on DU. Same about Christie. lynintenn Oct 2020 #26

mucifer

(25,746 posts)
1. so he looks like a superman yeah I agree. Point is even if he's doing well now he isn't in control
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:37 PM
Oct 2020

that's not how the medical world works. Money and power can't ALWAYS buy you health.

bdamomma

(69,634 posts)
3. I don't think
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:38 PM
Oct 2020

there is no chance of that. He will miraculously emerge that he won and beat Covid. Unfortunately.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(131,518 posts)
4. Nobody knows how the disease will progress.
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:38 PM
Oct 2020

Chances are he'll recover - even old fat guys mostly recover - but not quickly. Almost nobody recovers quickly. And one of the most worrisome things about the virus is how often people start feeling better after a few days, then suddenly become very ill. It's pretty unpredictable but nobody should expect him to be back to normal, whatever that is for him, in a few days.

spanone

(142,127 posts)
5. that story was put out by none other than his chief of staff mark meadows
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:40 PM
Oct 2020

"The President's vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We are still not on a clear path to a full recovery," the source, whom the New York Times and the Associated Press identified as White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, told White House pool reporters after the briefing from his doctors.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-walter-reed/index.html

rso

(2,685 posts)
23. Trump
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 09:12 PM
Oct 2020

Yep, it’s a ruse, and it’s disappointing that none of the many analysts and medical experts at CNN and MSNBC have not brought up this Up even as a possibility.

Response to Renew Deal (Original post)

Rice4VP

(1,235 posts)
9. But every 5 minutes some republican
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:42 PM
Oct 2020

comes out to say, “I spoke to him and he’s doing GREAT”

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
13. Outside of DU, I haven't seen a lot of "he'll be dead in 48 hours"
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:44 PM
Oct 2020

Even from anonymous sources. I have seen a lot of conjecture, which "we" tend to overblow.

Of course, the official word is the opposite - a bunch of happy horseshit.

spanone

(142,127 posts)
21. Here's the story that prompted that
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:57 PM
Oct 2020

(CNN) - President Donald Trump said in a video Saturday evening that he's "starting to feel good." His message, which was posted on Twitter, was just the latest in a string of contradictory and often misleading information about his diagnosis with Covid-19 and his condition since being transported to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center the day before.

An attempt by Trump's doctor earlier Saturday to reassure the public about his condition only created widespread confusion and concerns about transparency, as a source familiar with the President's health told reporters that the next 48 hours will be critical in determining how he fares.

"The President's vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We are still not on a clear path to a full recovery," the source, whom the New York Times and the Associated Press identified as White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, told White House pool reporters after the briefing from his doctors.

Moments earlier on Saturday morning, the President's physician, Navy Cmdr. Dr. Sean Conley, had offered an upbeat assessment of the President's condition stating that he was feeling well, that he had been "fever-free" for 24 hours and that his symptoms -- which included an "extremely mild cough," nasal congestion and fatigue -- "are resolving and improving." Conley was evasive about when and if Trump had received supplemental oxygen, saying, "He is not on oxygen."

https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-walter-reed/index.html

TwilightZone

(28,836 posts)
27. Which doesn't say he's going to die in 48 hours
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 11:20 PM
Oct 2020

It's interesting when people complain about hyperbole by being hyperbolic.

bullwinkle428

(20,663 posts)
16. I was literally coming to DU to make this point. He ALWAYS tries to inject diametrically opposed
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:47 PM
Oct 2020

points, almost within the same "paragraph" of a dialogue, as a way of covering his own ass when he gets questioned on a given point later on. I can almost see him sitting in the suite at Walter Reed, telling his flying monkeys - Meadows, or whoever - "Say that I'm doing great", and then a few minutes later, "Tell them I'm at death's door"!

regnaD kciN

(27,725 posts)
18. Exactly...
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:50 PM
Oct 2020

It often takes ten days or more after the onset of symptoms for serious respiratory issues to arise.

By the same token, it should be kept in mind that only about 4%-5% of patients in 45’s age and health-problem range die from the disease, and only around 25%-35% of them even need hospitalization…and my guess is that, if Trump were an ordinary person rather than POTUS, he would be getting told to self-treat at home, and only call about hospital admittance should he experience breathing problems or a low blood oxygen level.

andym

(6,071 posts)
19. If Trump recovers quickly it will be because he had access to Regeneron's experimental therapy
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:52 PM
Oct 2020

which is a privileged at the moment-- it won't be available to mere mortals outside of clinical trials for months.

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/provocative-results-boost-hopes-antibody-treatment-covid-19

‘Provocative results’ boost hopes of antibody treatment for COVID-19
By Jon CohenSep. 30, 2020 , 5:15 PM

A second company has now produced strong hints that monoclonal antibodies, synthetically produced versions of proteins made by the immune system, can work as treatments in people who are infected with the pandemic coronavirus but are not yet seriously ill.
The biotech Regeneron Pharmaceuticals has developed a cocktail of two monoclonal antibodies that attach to the surface protein of that coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, and attempt to block it from infecting cells. Yesterday at an investor and media webcast, the firm revealed early results.

Infected people in a placebo-controlled trial that ultimately plans to enroll 2100 individuals who are asymptomatic or, at worst, moderately ill. The analysis divides patients into two groups: those who had detectable antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 at the trial’s start and those who did not, a so-called seronegative group. The monoclonal cocktail showed little effect on people who already had antibodies against the virus. But it appeared to help the seronegative patients, powerfully reducing the amount of virus found in nasopharyngeal swabs and alleviating symptoms more quickly. “These are provocative results,” says Myron Cohen of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, who was not involved with the study but is helping Regeneron test its monoclonal cocktail as a preventive.

--snip--
Both Lilly and Regeneron say they are discussing their data with regulators to see whether their monoclonal antibodies might warrant moving to widespread use more quickly through mechanisms like the U.S. Food and Drug Administration’s emergency use authorization process. Additional studies of their monoclonal treatments are underway in hospitalized COVID-19 patients and, separately, as preventives in uninfected people.

Monoclonal antibodies are more difficult to make than many drugs and often are extremely expensive, which means that supply could outstrip demand and many countries might not be able to afford them. The U.S. government’s Operation Warp Speed has invested $450 million in Regeneron to produce up to 300,000 “doses” of its cocktail by the end of the year, which would be distributed to Americans free of charge. “A substantial fraction of those are already available,” Yancopoulos said—although it’s not yet clear what constitutes a single dose of the company’s cocktail. Nonetheless, Regeneron, which is partnering with Roche to increase production capability, says it hopes to ramp up to produce 250,000 doses per month.

--MORE AT LINK--

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Trump may well recover quickly-- don't put it down to his great health, but to his special access to experimental therapies that will eventually be game changers for Covid-19.

dalton99a

(95,785 posts)
20. This is the episode in the Trump show where Trump becomes a victim
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 08:54 PM
Oct 2020

and all of a sudden everybody stops talking about his debate disaster, his taxes, the Melania tapes

He'll be discharged next week. Trump is stronger than any China virus.

But, no more debates.



rso

(2,685 posts)
22. Trump
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 09:08 PM
Oct 2020

I agree that the “anonymous” info about the severity of Donnie’s condition is merely an effort to lower expectations, so that Donnie can then claim superior physiology and stamina when he recovers and leaves the Hospital. I find it quite disappointing that so far, none of the many smart and experienced analysts on CNN and MSNBC have brought up this possibility.

Buckeyeblue

(6,449 posts)
24. It's to keep the sympathy coming
Sat Oct 3, 2020, 09:20 PM
Oct 2020

And to keep criticism down. He'll milk this as long as he can.

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