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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe "Trump will be dead in 48 hours" stories are meant to lower expecations.
Trump never wants anyone to know the real story. So they send the doctors out with sunshine and rainbows and then make anonymous statements saying he won't make it through the night. The goal is to lower expectations and then have a miraculous recovery in a few days.
mucifer
(25,746 posts)that's not how the medical world works. Money and power can't ALWAYS buy you health.
idziak4ever1234
(1,257 posts)bdamomma
(69,634 posts)there is no chance of that. He will miraculously emerge that he won and beat Covid. Unfortunately.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(131,518 posts)Chances are he'll recover - even old fat guys mostly recover - but not quickly. Almost nobody recovers quickly. And one of the most worrisome things about the virus is how often people start feeling better after a few days, then suddenly become very ill. It's pretty unpredictable but nobody should expect him to be back to normal, whatever that is for him, in a few days.
still_one
(98,883 posts)Baitball Blogger
(52,783 posts)spanone
(142,127 posts)"The President's vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We are still not on a clear path to a full recovery," the source, whom the New York Times and the Associated Press identified as White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, told White House pool reporters after the briefing from his doctors.
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-walter-reed/index.html
Renew Deal
(85,436 posts)spanone
(142,127 posts)Yep, its a ruse, and its disappointing that none of the many analysts and medical experts at CNN and MSNBC have not brought up this Up even as a possibility.
Nevilledog
(55,177 posts)Depends on which side you're on.
Renew Deal
(85,436 posts)Response to Renew Deal (Original post)
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MustLoveBeagles
(17,809 posts)Welcome to DU
Rice4VP
(1,235 posts)comes out to say, I spoke to him and hes doing GREAT
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)Even from anonymous sources. I have seen a lot of conjecture, which "we" tend to overblow.
Of course, the official word is the opposite - a bunch of happy horseshit.
spanone
(142,127 posts)(CNN) - President Donald Trump said in a video Saturday evening that he's "starting to feel good." His message, which was posted on Twitter, was just the latest in a string of contradictory and often misleading information about his diagnosis with Covid-19 and his condition since being transported to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center the day before.
An attempt by Trump's doctor earlier Saturday to reassure the public about his condition only created widespread confusion and concerns about transparency, as a source familiar with the President's health told reporters that the next 48 hours will be critical in determining how he fares.
"The President's vitals over the last 24 hours were very concerning and the next 48 hours will be critical in terms of his care. We are still not on a clear path to a full recovery," the source, whom the New York Times and the Associated Press identified as White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, told White House pool reporters after the briefing from his doctors.
Moments earlier on Saturday morning, the President's physician, Navy Cmdr. Dr. Sean Conley, had offered an upbeat assessment of the President's condition stating that he was feeling well, that he had been "fever-free" for 24 hours and that his symptoms -- which included an "extremely mild cough," nasal congestion and fatigue -- "are resolving and improving." Conley was evasive about when and if Trump had received supplemental oxygen, saying, "He is not on oxygen."
https://www.cnn.com/2020/10/03/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-walter-reed/index.html
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)It's interesting when people complain about hyperbole by being hyperbolic.
bullwinkle428
(20,663 posts)points, almost within the same "paragraph" of a dialogue, as a way of covering his own ass when he gets questioned on a given point later on. I can almost see him sitting in the suite at Walter Reed, telling his flying monkeys - Meadows, or whoever - "Say that I'm doing great", and then a few minutes later, "Tell them I'm at death's door"!
BannonsLiver
(20,929 posts)Renew Deal
(85,436 posts)TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)regnaD kciN
(27,725 posts)It often takes ten days or more after the onset of symptoms for serious respiratory issues to arise.
By the same token, it should be kept in mind that only about 4%-5% of patients in 45s age and health-problem range die from the disease, and only around 25%-35% of them even need hospitalization
and my guess is that, if Trump were an ordinary person rather than POTUS, he would be getting told to self-treat at home, and only call about hospital admittance should he experience breathing problems or a low blood oxygen level.
andym
(6,071 posts)which is a privileged at the moment-- it won't be available to mere mortals outside of clinical trials for months.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/09/provocative-results-boost-hopes-antibody-treatment-covid-19
Provocative results boost hopes of antibody treatment for COVID-19
By Jon CohenSep. 30, 2020 , 5:15 PM
A second company has now produced strong hints that monoclonal antibodies, synthetically produced versions of proteins made by the immune system, can work as treatments in people who are infected with the pandemic coronavirus but are not yet seriously ill.
The biotech Regeneron Pharmaceuticals has developed a cocktail of two monoclonal antibodies that attach to the surface protein of that coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, and attempt to block it from infecting cells. Yesterday at an investor and media webcast, the firm revealed early results.
Infected people in a placebo-controlled trial that ultimately plans to enroll 2100 individuals who are asymptomatic or, at worst, moderately ill. The analysis divides patients into two groups: those who had detectable antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 at the trials start and those who did not, a so-called seronegative group. The monoclonal cocktail showed little effect on people who already had antibodies against the virus. But it appeared to help the seronegative patients, powerfully reducing the amount of virus found in nasopharyngeal swabs and alleviating symptoms more quickly. These are provocative results, says Myron Cohen of the University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, who was not involved with the study but is helping Regeneron test its monoclonal cocktail as a preventive.
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Both Lilly and Regeneron say they are discussing their data with regulators to see whether their monoclonal antibodies might warrant moving to widespread use more quickly through mechanisms like the U.S. Food and Drug Administrations emergency use authorization process. Additional studies of their monoclonal treatments are underway in hospitalized COVID-19 patients and, separately, as preventives in uninfected people.
Monoclonal antibodies are more difficult to make than many drugs and often are extremely expensive, which means that supply could outstrip demand and many countries might not be able to afford them. The U.S. governments Operation Warp Speed has invested $450 million in Regeneron to produce up to 300,000 doses of its cocktail by the end of the year, which would be distributed to Americans free of charge. A substantial fraction of those are already available, Yancopoulos saidalthough its not yet clear what constitutes a single dose of the companys cocktail. Nonetheless, Regeneron, which is partnering with Roche to increase production capability, says it hopes to ramp up to produce 250,000 doses per month.
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Trump may well recover quickly-- don't put it down to his great health, but to his special access to experimental therapies that will eventually be game changers for Covid-19.
dalton99a
(95,785 posts)and all of a sudden everybody stops talking about his debate disaster, his taxes, the Melania tapes
He'll be discharged next week. Trump is stronger than any China virus.
But, no more debates.
I agree that the anonymous info about the severity of Donnies condition is merely an effort to lower expectations, so that Donnie can then claim superior physiology and stamina when he recovers and leaves the Hospital. I find it quite disappointing that so far, none of the many smart and experienced analysts on CNN and MSNBC have brought up this possibility.
Buckeyeblue
(6,449 posts)And to keep criticism down. He'll milk this as long as he can.