We resist, we get choked. We comply, we get crushed to death. We surrender, we get shot.

[StarfishSaver]

White folks break the law, resist arrest, assault the police, loot, destroy and kill - and they get Burger King, bail money, and GoFundMe pages.

And you wonder why we "keep making it all about race"?

Link to tweet

[malaise]

1. Get thee to the greatest page

for Truth!

[SallyHemmings]

2. K & R + 1000

[onecaliberal]

3. K&R

[gollygee]

4. Police officers gave money and sent fan mail to him

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/16/us-police-officers-public-officials-crowdfunding-website-data-breach

Among the donors were several associated with email addresses traceable to police and other public officials.

One donation for $25, made on 3 September last year, was made anonymously, but associated with the official email address for Sgt William Kelly, who currently serves as the executive officer of internal affairs in the Norfolk police department in Virginia.

That donation also carried a comment, reading: “God bless. Thank you for your courage. Keep your head up. You’ve done nothing wrong.”

The comment continued: “Every rank and file police officer supports you. Don’t be discouraged by actions of the political class of law enforcement leadership.”

[Karadeniz]

13. Bastard.

[ismnotwasm]

5. Facts.

[sheshe2]

6. Yes

[AllaN01Bear]

7. this is why many of our police depts should be shut down and re constituted

anyone with a violent past and has been fired should be banned for life for ever serving on a pd. there should be a nationl database of this . so will the little so and so go through life being a vile brat without any consequences . when we had the denny protests , a number of los angles pd types were fired and came up here . no questions asked . caused more problems up here .

[StarfishSaver]

11. Yes.

And we must stop accepting the "it's a training problem" excuse. This isn't a training problem. Officer Potter was a 26-year veteran who surely should have known the difference between a taser and her service revolver. Lack of training is not the reason Chauvin ground his knee into George Floyd's neck. More training would not have prevented the yet-to-be-identified cop from shooting Adam Toledo less than a second after her put his hands up as commanded.

This isn't a training problem. It's a racism problem. As long as people who see Black and Brown people as inherently dangerous are given the power of life and death over them and as long as people who feel the same as they do are in positions to determine whether and how they will be disciplined, this will continue to happen.

[CaptainTruth]

12. Sad but 100% true.

[crickets]

21. 👆 This.

[Arazi]

24. White cop named Eric Stillman shot Adam Toledo

Been a Chicago PD cop since 2015 so not a novice.

Very difficult to get info on him. He's obviously being protected judging by the DA's initial comments and Mayor Lori Lightfoot's that were (erroneously) blaming Toledo having a gun in his hand when Stillman shot him

[Withywindle]

36. Yup. This IS what they're trained to do

Maybe not officially in the manual, but by the racist culture they're steeped in. The myth of the "superpredator." The assumption that every Black and brown person is a criminal until proven otherwise (and there is no way to prove otherwise). The police gangs who get a tattoo for each kill. The police who donated to Kyle Rittenhouse. The police who pose with the bodies of their victims and make jokes. The police who retaliate against whistleblowers and victims' families. The police who treat peaceful protesters like an enemy army.

There are no "isolated incidents." That apple barrel is spoiled rotten all the way down.

[calimary]

41. Agreed.

Wonder how long it’s realistically going to take for America to fix this?

[FailureToCommunicate]

8. God awful truth.

[bdamomma]

9. There

are two standards one for black, brown people and white people, and it's sickening. Just sick of it.

Rittenhouse where the hell did he disappear too, bastard.

It can't be any clearer.

[brer cat]

10. K&R

[Wild blueberry]

14. K&R a million

Thank you.

[I_UndergroundPanther]

15. It's a psychopath problem

And belief problem.
They believe bullshit because of having no moral compass,being stupid,believing shit that's false,religion,that black people will replace them. They believe black people are a threat,believe some people are superior while others are inferior to them.

They reinforce the divine right of kings lie.
Want social stratification.where they are on top. They assume they'll be on top.its a toxic belief they've chosen to have and act on.

The mishmash of toxic beliefs they have are mixed with 99% right wing lies and bullshit.

And it's a narcissism problem

The bad cops choose to be bad because it benifiets them.

[Ferrets are Cool]

16. K and R

[usajumpedtheshark]

17. So very sad but true. I fear for my nieces and their sons.

[wryter2000]

18. Police need to go to prison for good, long sentences

Including Chauvin.

[3auld6phart]

25. Agree. Spot on.

And personally sue the individual porky. Break the bastards. Plus their feckin’ so called Union and the City that
hires them.

[bdamomma]

19. this thread

had me smh. Definitely a double standard.

https://democraticunderground.com/100215338837

[betsuni]

20. K&R

[Sympthsical]

22. I didn't see many OPs about the white kid killed by police this past week

I did see someone, literally, say on this board that "only" PoCs are murdered by police. Someone said that. Out loud.

The fact of the matter is, we have a policing problem. More white people are killed by police every year than black people. The problem is, more black people are killed as a percentage of the population. And we can trace that back to all kinds of factors that are all inextricably linked to racism.

But instead of linking it together, trying to bring whites and blacks together in an understanding that there is a problem with the police, we play these fucking games. "Was the victim white? We don't care. Were they PoC? We very much care, let's protest and riot if needs be." Same with mass shootings. "Was the shooter white? Let's discuss this at great length and repetitiveness. Was the shooter non-white? Let us pretend this isn't so important. Also, if we can still somehow blame it on white people, let's do that."

It's why anti-Asian violence has such a hard time getting traction and attention. Because white people largely aren't behind that one. They're certainly not where I live. So it's just not that important. Not getting those protests. Not getting a dozen duplicate threads.

People do this. Right here. All the time.

You have to pretend people do not see that behavior, that calculation, that you only care sometimes based on agenda.

The #1 problem is the police and how white racism soaked into the institution over centuries. No one's arguing that one.

But another problem is a political one. And in the fevered stages of masturbatory narrative, no one is taking even half a minute to self-reflect, maybe be a bit self-aware, and see the look when you ignore the policing problems and how it affects everyone. You take one extreme "Hey, this white guy got away! Or wasn't killed!" and advertise that. Then ignore, "Hey, this white young man was killed, too." Because it doesn't serve the narrative. It doesn't feed more outrage into what is already outrageous.

People aren't that stupid. They see. If you're swimming upstream, why contribute to the current?

I think too many people do want to see things burn. Problem is, at the end of the day, it ain't the white suburbanites burning. It almost never is. Black Lives Matter because black lives are more in danger. But political activists need to stop mattering so much, because they are almost never in danger, and they don't care who else is.

[StarfishSaver]

23. Maybe YOU should have posted something about the white kid shot by the police

instead of inserting a tone-deaf "all lives matter" screed into this thread.

[Sympthsical]

26. Maybe you should have read what I said. Riddle me this

Two stories this week. One white guy got away with shit. One white guy got killed by police for shit. Which story got a dozen duplicate OPs here. Which story got ignored.

Which story serves your narrative. Which does not.

Which is telling a story. Which is introducing a complication to a narrative.

I don't cleave to narratives. Ever. You do.

So. Why does that white boy get ignored by you? Why no OPs or outrage or anything else?

Because you asked that of others. You ask, "Why don't people care?!" Ok. Fair.

Why don't YOU care?

[StarfishSaver]

27. I read everything you wrote.

Why don't you write an OP about the white kid killed by cops instead of coming into this thread accusing people who are concerned about the epidemic of police killing unarmed Black and Brown people of not caring about white people?

[Sympthsical]

28. Because your thread isn't stand alone

You're arguing a story. You're not arguing facts. You don't even acknowledge facts. You cherry pick what suits. I'm challenging you on it. You're not making a single argument against. I admitted, straight up, PoC are killed by police disproportionately, and that's due to the racism inherent in how law enforcement is structured.

And, oh shit! We agree!

What we don't agree on is your agitating, your ignoring facts that run against your narrative, and you're pretending this isn't a larger problem that whites have good cause to be bothered with, too. Because your approach is race-based instead of human-based, and you can value white lives lesser.

BLM because black people are a target in a white society. Yup!

The challenge to you is to see white people as people, and if you activist with that tunnel vision, you don't get it, and you're racist, too. I have had every PoC in my life have me re-examine anything I ever thought.

You have to re-examine, too. Because where you're coming from is not great, useful, or liable to help anyone anywhere.

Edit:

What are you bothering about here? Writing a ton at a lot of much older white liberals who will fall over themselves to prove to you they're "one of the good ones," or do you want me, a Millennial who works hard to make sure we live what we aspire to be. Do you want a +1!!!!!!! or, someone who has a say over hiring processes. Because people in their 70s do not.

[AZProgressive]

30. Today is the first time I have seen the OP in awhile

Not sure how she is responsible for stories that weren't posted this week.

I followed police brutality and shootings for a long time and I still remember this shooting.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooting_of_Daniel_Shaver

A big difference with that shooting is there was more universal outrage. Not as many people defending the police in that situation.

I support BLM and DTP because not only it helps African-Americans but it helps out others including myself.

People with Untreated Mental Illness 16 Times More Likely to Be Killed By Law Enforcement

https://www.treatmentadvocacycenter.org/key-issues/criminalization-of-mental-illness/2976-people-with-untreated-mental-illness-16-times-more-likely-to-be-killed-by-law-enforcement-

I have a 100% service connected disability so I'm concerned about the issue but I also want to help out others beside myself. As you point out African-Americans are killed at higher rates and they are disproportionately stopped, charged, convicted, and serving longer sentences so police shootings are not the only issue in policing or incarceration.

I can't believe one of the few people that advocates for this and from a perspective many of us lack is called a racist.

[WhiskeyGrinder]

31. "do you want me, a Millennial who works hard to make sure we live what we aspire to be."

You're sure working hard to make sure you live like you're aspiring to be a jerk on this thread, so good job with that, I guess.

[sheshe2]

32. Your post.

[div class="excerpt"What are you bothering about here? Writing a ton at a lot of much older white liberals who will fall over themselves to prove to you they're "one of the good ones," or do you want me, a Millennial who works hard to make sure we live what we aspire to be. Do you want a +1!!!!!!! or, someone who has a say over hiring processes. Because people in their 70s do not.

"What are you bothering about here? Writing a ton at a lot of much older white liberals who will fall over themselves to prove to you they're "one of the good ones,"

Wow, ageism tossed in with snide remarks that we elder white people fall all over ourselves proving we are "one of the good ones". We don't have to say anything. We are one or we are not. Fact is we were the ones voting when you did not.

or do you want me, a Millennial who works hard to make sure we live what we aspire to be. Do you want a +1!!!!!!! or, someone who has a say over hiring processes. Because people in their 70s do not.

So it is all about you and you want to toss the rest of us away? You alone, as millennial works hard to make sure we live what we aspire to be? Welp. I guess us old people need to sit down and shut up. So you want a +1!!!!!!, because you have a say over the hiring process? Hon, the American people have a say over the hiring process to the most important job in the land. That job is The President of the United States and you will never take my vote from me.

It is sad that you had to derail a thread about BLM to say ALM.

[Politicub]

44. You don't cleave to narratives? Really? Because your post is

crafted of narratives that you chose. You made an extremely weak case, by the way.

And, you didn’t address the OP. It was about how a white guy can walk down the street with a gun with the confidence he will be protected by the corrupt system.

[Celerity]

33. Peyton Ham, the white 16yo pointed a gun (turned out to be a realistic fake) at the cops, was shot,

got up with a knife, was shot again.

Different situation. That poster is playing chalk and cheese games.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2021/04/14/us/peyton-ham-maryland-trooper-shooting/index.html

Authorities in Maryland got two 911 calls just before 1:30 p.m. Tuesday about a "guy acting suspicious" who the callers thought had a gun, said Col. Woodrow Jones, the state police secretary. The first call was disconnected when the operator asked for a location, while the second caller gave an address but not a name, he said.

The trooper got there within minutes and confronted a male in a driveway, a preliminary investigation indicated. The male was "armed with a gun and a knife," Jones said.

The person in the driveway was in a "shooting stance," pointing a gun at the trooper, according to a witness, Jones said. The trooper fired at the male and wounded him, Jones added.

Then, the male pulled out a knife and tried to get up, according to a second witness, Jones said. The trooper ordered him to drop the knife before firing again, Jones said.

The trooper reported the shooting and authorities rendered aid to the teen until emergency medical personnel arrived and took him to a hospital, where he was pronounced dead.

He was identified as Peyton Ham of Leonardtown.

[StarfishSaver]

34. Now we know why the poster didn't want to write about it, but just refer to it

It works much better as a whataboutism if we don't know the details ...

[Celerity]

35. the 'what about the white people' gambits I see here on occasion often remind me of MRA ploys

Obviously whites can have all sorts of horrific injustices done to them (and do), but they do not suffer under the yoke and whip hand of 400 plus years of systemic, holistic, scientifically planned out and executed dehumanisation, enslavement, brutalisation, rape, murder, maiming, the most diabolical of tortures, disenfranchisement, economic disempowerment, cultural/educational degradation, and all-round power vacuums that we people of colour (stick that up your 'swamp rat sage' arse Carville!) have, and all simply because of our racial/ethnic makeup.

on edit (just so no one thinks I meant NRA, lol)

MRA = Male Rights Advocates

[cinematicdiversions]

40. Huh I had assumed he was talking about the white guy

Shot yesterday in portland.

Obviously more white people are killed in police encounters. That's part of the reason it is not news. In addition there tends to be a lack of public protest when whites are killed (portland being an exception but they will protest anything.)

[StarfishSaver]

45. There are reasons they don't get as much coverage and there aren't protests around them

The issue with cops killing blacks is not just that cops are killing people who are black, but that they are killing (and harassing and abusing) us in numbers disproportionate to the population and to their involvement in crime. All too often he killings are unjustified, they frequently involve cover-ups, and they are not prosecuted.

The instances of whites being killed by cops you're talking about involved white men brandishing weapons who pose obvious and immediate threats to law enforcement. And even many of those white men who behave that way are not treated with anything close to the brutality that we see black men being subjected to

[Celerity]

46. The poster said 'white kid' which a 16yo is. The Portland victim was an adult.

[Politicub]

42. +1

On edit - I did not +1 for the “all live matters” poster... it was for support of the poster who called out the shit stirrer.

[BobTheSubgenius]

29. Apparently, cops giving money to murderers isn't against any laws or regulations.

Sure should be.

[Solly Mack]

37. K&R

[ProfessorGAC]

38. K&R!

Well said!

[kimbutgar]

43. What about Dylan Roof who murdered 8 people in church ?

He gets apprehended and gets taken to get a hamburger before going to jail. Those cops in South Carolina liked that he murdered those black people.