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Anyone Calling This Alarmist Is Not Paying Attention
I don't often do this, but this post on Kos puts the full ramifications of the christo-fascists domestic aims so plainly I think it worth sharing....
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2021/12/5/2067207/-Next-Up-On-GOP-s-Agenda-Stripping-Women-Of-Political-Economic-Power
In about six months, women in thirty Republican-controlled states will probably lose their right to get an abortion.
The Supreme Court and the Constitution don't “grant” or “give” Americans rights: they recognize rights and define the extent to which they can be infringed upon by our government, theoretically balancing private rights against the public good.
That said, the Court can take away rights, although throughout their 240+ year history they've only done it in a big way once: in 1896 with their Plessy v Ferguson decision that, until they reversed it in 1954 in Brown v Board, took away the freedom and voting rights of African Americans for half a century.
Now, in a repeat of Plessy, it appears the Court is preparing to take away a constitutional right, this one being the right of women to autonomy over their own bodies.
But that’s just the first of a series of ideas Republicans have to regulate women’s behavior and roll back the clock to the early 1960s when women couldn’t get a credit card without their father’s or husband’s permission, had no legal right to birth control in some states, and faced fully legal discrimination in housing, education and employment.
Much more at the link....
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CaliforniaPeggy
(156,619 posts)And I am appalled that somehow, we didn't stop it.
I suspect that the Republicans have a more single-minded drive to accomplish their goals than we do. They are relentless.
We are distracted by each other and our conflicting goals and so we are not united.
Watching the slow death of Roe v Wade is our punishment for not making it a priority.
dalton99a
(94,115 posts)Most were enacted during the Trump administration, after conservatives Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanaugh were confirmed to the Supreme Court.
Those appointments emboldened Republican-led state legislatures to pass abortion bans with the hopes of prompting a more conservative Supreme Court to gut Roe v. Wade — including the Mississippi bill at issue before the court, which would ban abortion after 15 weeks, some nine weeks before the point of fetal viability that Roe and later decisions hinge upon.
In addition to the trigger laws, nine states still have abortion bans on the books that were enacted before Roe was decided in 1973. Those states — four trigger law states along with Alabama, Arizona, Michigan, West Virginia and Wisconsin — could choose to immediately begin enforcement.
And four other states — Georgia, Iowa, Ohio and South Carolina — passed so-called "heartbeat" laws in recent years that ban abortion after cardiac activity is detectable, which can be as early as six weeks into a pregnancy. All four laws are currently blocked by courts, but injunctions could be lifted if the Supreme Court overturns Roe.
https://www.npr.org/2021/12/02/1061015753/abortion-roe-v-wade-trigger-laws-mississippi-jacksons-womens-health-organization
DLevine
(1,791 posts)
WestofDenver
(27 posts)I read there is a school of thought, perhaps related to Dominionism, that the country made a fundamental mistake extending women the right to vote. The rollback target may not stop at the 60s. This same article stated that Robert Mercer supports that approach...not sure about Rebecca
Has anyone else seen similar writing?
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)They can't do it! Eliminate the women voters and the Repukes will never win another election in this country.
Are they really THAT stupid?
Celerity
(54,407 posts)Rethugs dominate male voters overall. We would be crushed to bits.
FakeNoose
(41,631 posts)I guess that's the point I was making. It would destroy their monolith, if they ever had one.
iemanja
(57,757 posts)Men overwhelmingly vote Republican.
How on earth did you come up with that idea?
monkeyman1
(5,109 posts)
keep_left
(3,210 posts)...and others who promote fascism. "Repeal the 19th Amendment" and so on. The MRA/PUA/incel types (RooshV etc.) are particularly strident.
Nay
(12,051 posts)women who'd be fine with this because 1) they think their men would always treat them just fine, 2) since they won, they'd be owning the libs, and 3) they anticipate the joy of being on the top of the ruling heap along with their men.
Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)
calimary
(90,017 posts)“This country started going downhill when women got the right to vote.” A male caller, of course. Voicing out loud what I suspect many male knuckledraggers feel deeply and sincerely but don’t say so out loud.
malthaussen
(18,567 posts)The country started going downhill when men got the right to vote.
-- Mal
Lonestarblue
(13,480 posts)I think it was around the time when I started noticing Republicans making a distinction between a republic and a democracy, saying that the US is a republic only because of its original founding and ignoring all the amendments beyond the Bill of Rights, which turned the country into a democracy. Many Republicans quietly want to repeal the 17th Amendment, which changed the selection of US Senators from state legislatures to the popular vote. They could so it if they win enough statehouses houses by hook or crook. I believe Democratic leaders made a big mistake in not investing in and fighting Republicans at the state level. Their strategy has paid off and has allowed them to gerrymander states to keep themselves the permanent state rulers in something like 26 states.
ShazzieB
(22,583 posts)I don't know if it's directly related to Dominionism, but it wouldn't surprise me if they're on board with it.
The first time I heard of this was in 2020, when a prominent anti-abortion activist named Abby Johnson spoke at the GOP national convention. I didn't watch any of it, but there were news stories about her appearance like this one: https://www.wtol.com/article/news/nation-world/abby-johnson-household-voting-rnc/507-69010b4e-9d77-4eb6-8293-acb9cbd8e488
The article I linked to is short, and there's no pay wall. Here's the part about "household voting":
It's no coincidence, imo, that the woman saying this is an anti-choice activist. *shudder*
mahina
(20,645 posts)How many women say “oh, my husband votes. I don’t vote.”
Lots of Filipinas.
mrsadm
(1,198 posts)BlackSkimmer
(51,308 posts)Thomas Hurt
(13,982 posts)The Pig applied for the job on the 6th and failed. His malignant narcissism now has him fixated on how he got cheated. Something which he will not let go.
Evolve Dammit
(21,774 posts)erronis
(23,875 posts)Per the DailyKos article:
“Personhood” bills that would define any birth control method that prevents the fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall — which includes IUDs and all birth control pills — have passed at least one legislative branch in Montana, Kansas, Virginia, Tennessee, North Dakota, Arkansas, and Mississippi and been introduced by Republicans in Ohio, Georgia, Maine, Texas, South Carolina, Oklahoma, Iowa and in the US Congress.
It isn't a stretch to think that "they" want the women to be vesicles (vehicles) to make more of "themselves" (i.e. Santorum). Follow down this path and we are definitely into women as chattel, non-subservience punishable. I haven't read/watched "The Handmaid's Tale", but I bet that's where creeps like Santorum want to be.
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)The Bible Tells Us When A Fetus Becomes A Living Being
https://democraticunderground.com/100216116358
According to the bible, a fetus is not a living person with a soul until after drawing its first breath.
'God's word' becomes irrelevant when it's inconvenient.
wnylib
(26,009 posts)are the Catholic Church's theological position on abortion and birth control. Even Catholics who condone birth control despite the Church's position on it often will not use an IUD because it prevents a fertilized egg from implanting in the uterine wall.
Seems like non Catholics could object on the grounds of religious freedom since such laws impose one religion on everyone.
erronis
(23,875 posts)Having been involved with many and current ones.
The old "Do What I Say". Not "Follow My Example".
Doubt this is restricted to the roman or eastern or other breakaway catholics. Nor restricted to any other controlling cult.
Nasruddin
(1,258 posts)There's no reason abortion bans will be confined to individual states. The people pushing this agenda will do what they can to extend it to the whole country (& beyond). They have to - their position is inconsistent otherwise.
Maybe the one good thing about this is that people will see the Supreme Court for what it is - an unelected, unaccountable legislature - and start thinking about what to do to change this (like getting rid of it completely).
MarcA
(2,195 posts)That would be Constitutional. It could work for an R President as well though.
jalan48
(14,914 posts)reflect the political beliefs of only parts of our society.
RANDYWILDMAN
(3,163 posts)Abortion is about controlling women and that is really all it is about
R's don't care about social services or day care or paid leave or anything else about children.
We have taken a puritan approach to this.
strict morals and no pleasure
women who have unprotected sex violate both and should be punished by having to live with their decisions....
Men never pay for these same decisions, why not ?
keithbvadu2
(40,915 posts)Yet their Messiah Trump openly brags about his adultery.
RANDYWILDMAN
(3,163 posts)the sickness that TFG has brought forth shows there is no double standard that republicans won't violate.
Blind resume test
Candidate 1
Secretary of State
Us Senator
Married to one person
honest
Candidate 2
no government experiance
Liar
Failed business man
Cheater, married and divorced 3 times
paid off porn star
Tax cheat
wnylib
(26,009 posts)Men are free to disregard morals altogether.
According to them, women must be "pure" and "good." A pregnant woman can only retain some degree of goodness if she is married. Even then, there are some religions that have purification rituals after a married woman has given birth. Married mothers are good, despite obviously having had sex, only if they devote their lives and identity to raising the children and making a good home for their husbands.
Nothing wrong with being a good mother and maintaining a good home. But they limit women's identity to those functions. Women who go beyond that are considered selfish and less than morally good.
For younger people who have no experience or memory of this, it is the way that mainstream society functioned in the 1950s and 1960s. They are trying to take us back to that.
paleotn
(22,212 posts)
OldBaldy1701E
(11,142 posts)When it is the wage slave pool,. they demand that any pregnant females carry and birth the new workers. When it is the oligarchs, they ignore everything about it. As far as I am concerned, if you want this stupid crap to stop, implement a rule that says any and all pregnancies must include a paternity test. And, that the father must be identified on the birth certificate. Once these sleazy oligarchs start being pegged for their numerous affairs, this idea of 'life begins at conception' would change.
paleotn
(22,212 posts)does he intend to preside over a court that, in effect, goes back to something like Plessy vs. Ferguson? A very dark time in SCOTUS history, eclipsed only by Dred Scott. Does he want that as "his" court's legacy? I certainly hope not.
DallasNE
(8,008 posts)As Chief Justice was Citizens United so his stewartship is already in the tank.
paleotn
(22,212 posts)The expansion of Title IX to include LGBTQ protections wasn't expected. I certainly didn't expect Gorsuch and Roberts to side with the majority on that one.
FBaggins
(28,706 posts)nt
TwilightZone
(28,836 posts)He's been Chief Justice since 2005. Citizens was in 2010.
Well, apparently he does. He steered the court to undermine the Voting Rights Act by taking away its most important enforcement procedures. He declared that racism was no longer interfering with voting in various southern states so there was no need for such procedures.
paleotn
(22,212 posts)It's like he's threading a needle. Guess we'll all know in June.
Mad_Machine76
(24,957 posts)Alito spent so much talking about.........Plessy v. Ferguson during the Dobbs case.
paleotn
(22,212 posts)"we really don't want to do a Plessy v. Ferguson." But with Alito, who knows.
Mad_Machine76
(24,957 posts)To prove how SCOTUS can and does overturn precedent.
DallasNE
(8,008 posts)And this is why Stare Decisis is not absolute. But it is why only in extreme cases is it ignored. In the case of Roe the opposite is about to take place. Rather that replacing an extreme wrong it is invoking an extreme wrong very much like Dred Scott.
liberalla
(11,089 posts)
Grins
(9,459 posts)Not so good, but it will allow women, and a lot of men, too, realize what life is like in the Evangelical-conservative dystopia. And rebel!!!
oldsoftie
(13,538 posts)Joinfortmill
(21,162 posts)off women in 2022.
paleotn
(22,212 posts)For 2022 mid terms.
people
(844 posts)Although these Christo fascists may be a minority, it doesn't matter because they now have the US Sup Court and several states that will not abide by the electoral choice of the voters if the voters do not choose a Republican. Instead these states will pick electors who reflect their fascist ideology. It is so bad that it's hard to believe it. We are really f'd if the voting rights bills are not passed.
gulliver
(13,985 posts)Remember that when the Republican Party forces a woman to be a mother against her will, the party also forces a man or boy to be a father against his will. That thought might help sober up some men, boys, fathers and grandfathers of male teens. One night, one mistake with the wrong woman and, presto, you or your son or grandson suddenly has eighteen years of child support bills to pay. And child support is the tip of the iceberg. Your whole family is dragged into it, all thanks to the Republican Party.
Farmer-Rick
(12,667 posts)That a clump of cells or a tadpole with a prehensile tail is a baby.
And then go on to take away over 50 percent of our citizens bodily autonomy to keep these clumps and lumps alive.
This is such a very bizarre idea that only organizations that deal in magic can promote it.
A fetus is not a baby.
malaise
(296,098 posts)Wale up Everybody!
malaise
(296,098 posts)Wake up Everybody!
AnotherMother4Peace
(5,125 posts)Both totally dismiss the woman. Pregnant woman have been killed, committed suicide, thrown out of their homes, divorced, abandoned, fired, lost coveted physically challenging athletic opportunities, lost physically challenging jobs, status in the community, etc. My father tried to beat my mom's last pregnancy out of her. My friend killed himself after his pregnant girlfriend killed herself after both of their religious families wanted to disown them. They were both in college and were going to lose everything. Tell me how this is an "earthen vessel" or Barrett's "...state requiring the woman to go 15, 16 weeks more and then terminate parental rights at the conclusion." It is a medical condition that can be devastating. Men should be monetarily responsible for any effects of pregnancy as a life impacting medical condition.
in2herbs
(4,389 posts)is wrong. So the Ds should force the Rs to pick a religious sect that we are all supposed to recognize/follow and then Congress can deny the tax deductions to all of the other non-profits calling themselves a religion/church. They'll be so busy fighting amongst themselves at the thought of their loss of income and power that they'll ignore politics and we can move the country forward.
ismnotwasm
(42,674 posts)Not you personally, of course. And “We” being feminists. We talked about a number of things actually. Thank God for the young feminists movement. They are fire. I feel like we’ve completely failed them.
This was coming though, oh yes it was. Disgusting, degrading and emotionally debilitating
AlexSFCA
(6,319 posts)fertility treatments, i.e. IVF can be severely impacted. Societal cost is significant, medical complications from botched abortions are going to impact entire families, increased poverty, more people with developmental disorders than ever, more crime, etc. It may impact even people who live in blue states with abortion rights seemingly intact. This is because overturning Roe v Wade is merely a first step in recognizing embryos’s rights which can easily lead to proclaiming all abortions nationwide as unconstitutional (christofascists ultimate goal). Gay marriage rights can also be curtailed by this court in the future.
Mad_Machine76
(24,957 posts)I am however skeptical how they will achieve their ends in this day and age. Oh sure they may succeed in getting favorable court rulings here and there and try to pass some laws, but their vision of society is of a bygone era that no woman would accept in 2021 or 2024 or ever. And there WILL be massive resistance.
mahina
(20,645 posts)All day. ⬆️
Hekate
(100,133 posts)Wasn’t that Hemingway in The Sun Also Rises?
Whatever he was talking about then, it has always seemed to me that it applies to so much: the bankruptcy of a major corporation, or the fall of an empire, or maybe just the erosion of a person’s health.
But let’s stick with empires. I thought we could recover from Bush the Lesser, but when we got Barack Obama the same politicians were still around and they swore on his Inauguration Day they would do everything in their power to oppose everything he did. Still…
Fast forward to Trump. The speed with which he hollowed out our federal government was breathtaking, and Mitch McConnell achieved three SCOTUS Justices.
Another good man, Joe Biden, now holds the office — and McConnell is still around.
I no longer have faith we can repair the damage in my lifetime. I feel like we have entered the “then suddenly” phase of things.
c-rational
(3,203 posts)Hekate
(100,133 posts)… pronouncements about this being “my country” since the 1600s and how I’m not giving up and/ or leaving.
But that was long ago, in what amounts to another country, and besides, Dame Liberty is on her deathbed.
It’s not just America, either — we see outside better than we see ourselves, surely. There is a wave of authoritarianism/autocracy sweeping the globe, including in nations that once, in the 20th Century, looked to the US to supply leadership and soldiers to help them bring down the fascists, by whatever name. Only now our own democracy hangs by a thread, and we women are just the latest target.
I’m sorry to be a downer. We need people to still believe and still fight, and I hope you are one — indeed I hope your name is Legion.
c-rational
(3,203 posts)continue.
dhol82
(9,650 posts)
qwlauren35
(6,309 posts)But I am not so heartless that I don't fear for the coming generation.
This article makes me want to cry. How can women not see what is coming?
Dark n Stormy Knight
(10,484 posts)[buried in a cemetery] or cremated..."
This was (is?) what "the church" demanded of Catholics. I have a story about this that is too painful to share here.
AngryOldDem
(14,180 posts)States will make women prove the circumstances of pregnancy loss. Miscarriages, especially early ones, often happen suddenly and in the privacy of a woman’s home. I can see doctors and hospitals having to report the incidence of these events. Having her and her doctor have to attest under penalty of law that the loss was not intentional is an egregious violation of right to privacy and ethics. This is a further trauma inflicted on an often devastating situation. (Don’t ask me how I know.)
Once this starts, there’s no stopping the lengths to which this could go.
Kid Berwyn
(24,393 posts)We need to liberally exercise our control of Congress and the Executive.
spanone
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burrowowl
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mercuryblues
(16,411 posts)A woman’s rights over her own body are taken away, the rest of her rights are easy.
Roisin Ni Fiachra
(2,574 posts)that is becoming the norm in our country "alarmists" and "fear mongerers".
These folks seriously need to get their heads out of their asses, so they can see and smell the fascism growing all around them.
traitorsgalore
(1,427 posts)So WTF is going to happen? People in the press seem void of thinking ahead, just stir up outrage to sell, sell, sell.
I know exactly what's going to happen but get chewed to f-ing pieces every time I post it so stay outraged people, do not think ahead, do not think rationally.