I don't think I can in good conscience ever step inside a church again

[Ouroborosnek]

I know I know, there's progressive/liberal ones and applaud their efforts, but I effectively am now an agnostic.

Been some time coming but decided now's the time, that's all I'm "gnostic" about right now.

[Enter stage left]

1. Welcome...I have been for close to 40 years.

We're a very accepting group, thank....uh...nothing!

[Ouroborosnek]

3. I don't want to start any blashphemous rumors...

...no wait, yes I do!

[Coventina]

2. So-called "good" Christians have failed to address their fascist brethren.

So, yeah, until your fucking Church is out of my government, no church for me!

[Demsrule86]

7. A big who cares. Faith is personal. I believe you don't. I don't give a damn...we supply meals to

needy families, snacks and school supplies...money for utilities. We live our faith, and I am sick of being lumped in with fake Christians. When some attack Christians who are not Trump supporters and belong to liberal churches, I find it just plain rude- and none of anyone's business...a negative post for a shitty day. And who's fault is the loss of Roe you ask...Republicans...and those who chose not to vote for Hillary...not Democrats and not Christians ( the real sort who follow Christ's teachings).

[Coventina]

9. Faith is not personal when your religion makes decisions about my rights. n/t

[iemanja]

13. Most religious people support abortion rights

Someone posted numbers today. Nor do all churches oppose abortion, even individual Catholic parishes.

[Coventina]

14. Are you trying to say Christians are not responsible for what happened today?

Please proceed........

[electric_blue68]

22. They're just saying Some Christians are Responsible NOT all...

what is so damn complicated about that!?

So many of us are in pain right now. But casting too a wide net is wrong.

(I'm an ex-Catbolic. Not a Christian either.)

[Coventina]

23. Oh right. Not ALL MEN. Got it.

[electric_blue68]

30. WTH? There are enough horrid men who do heinious things to women, and sometimes to men who don't...

fit their definition of "manhood".

Don't disparage the men who are good (not perfect), or genuinely trying learn, and do better!


Right back at you. 😑

[Coventina]

31. Never mind. If you think this is not religiously based then we really won't agree. n/t

[electric_blue68]

33. I Know it's Religiously Based or also Secular Men who are Seriously Sexist...

it's just not all people (men, or women [like Amy Coney Barret, blargh] ) in all religions are like that's all.

[iemanja]

29. See this post.

https://democraticunderground.com/100216837572#post20

The decision today is a political one, caused by the political forces and actors that put Trump in office. The judges who made this decision and similar decisions at state levels are part of a conservative judicial project begun decades ago by the Federalist Society. They've succeeded because they understand the power of local and state government, while, unfortunately, too many Democrats don't pay much attention to state and local elections (hence the lower turnout among Dems), or even congressional elections when there isn't a Presidential candidate on the ballot. Because of their turnout at the polls and their sustained legal strategy, Republicans have succeeded in dominating the courts around the country, and we are now reaping the results.

I myself don't practice any religion, but I respect the rights of others to do so. If you are looking for an excuse to scapegoat religious people, you will of course do so, but you do it against evidence that shows the majority of religious people support abortion rights, as the linked post details.

[Coventina]

32. The idea that this is not spear-headed by the Religious Right (which is Christian)

is just laughable.

[lindysalsagal]

16. Exactly. They'll all have to choose a side, now.

Or be assumed to belong to the oppressors.

[Skittles]

4. you do not need church to be a good person

heck, imagine doing something good without expecting some kind of eventual "reward", imagine that

[Ouroborosnek]

6. It's true

Always knew that but its kinda freeing to say it now.

[Gaugamela]

5. It's time for America to abort McJesus. Nt.

[Demsrule86]

8. If one doesn't believe-no problem...but it is none of anyone's business if some do believe.

This is America and so far we can believe what we choose.

[Skittles]

12. it becomes my business when religion influences laws

today's being a prime example

[lindysalsagal]

18. Thankyou. If they want my understanding, they can get their

Grubby hands off my uterus!

[Skittles]

21. they like to say abortion is not in the Constitution

yeah well it's not in the Bible but that doesn't stop the holier-than-thou crowd

[lindysalsagal]

24. Breathing isn't the Bible. Either.

[Coventina]

27. Nope. The Bible is an incredibly blood-thirsty book.

It advocates for murdering children in many places.

[Gaugamela]

28. And the word "god" isn't in the Constitution either. Nt.

[electric_blue68]

25. It's The Fundamentalists of Each Religion that are The Problem

... not the liberals of each religion.

(In general, anyway)

[Gaugamela]

15. I'm speaking culturally, not politically. Moreover, by "McJesus" I'm not referring

to the figure in the New Testament, I’m referring to the cartoonish caricature of him peddled by the Christian Right. I don’t identify as a Christian, but I have at least read the New Testament, and I have a deep respect for the tradition. IMHO, what these people believe in is a projection of their own ego. But of course, one can choose to believe in anything.

[electric_blue68]

26. Got it. 👍

[lindysalsagal]

17. Long past time.

[PortTack]

10. ☝️☝️☝️☝️☝️

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. I had a good friend who was a UCC pastor.

We had the best conversations about abortion, salvation, and same sex relationships.

[Ouroborosnek]

20. I tried attending a UCC chruch some time back

I will say it was very welcoming, and like others here I do realize there are some good churches out there.

Just time for me to move on from it.

[Turbineguy]

19. If trump were to be

stuck by a lightning bolt and turned into a smoking piece of pork rind.

That might help.

[Initech]

35. Ha, I wish!