The former USSR is going insane

[relayerbob]

Last edited Fri Sep 16, 2022, 12:43 PM - Edit history (1)

The Russian invasion of Ukraine opened the door, and we can all see how that is going. Armenia and Azerbaijan have been staring each other down for some time, and it's flaring up again. Kazakhstan has been dealing with internal strife, but is in a verbal conflict with Russia, refusing to support Russia's demands, supplying the West with fuel (through Azerbaijan) whiie bypassing Russia, and with China subtly warning Russia to stay away. Now, Kyrgystan and Tajikistan have opened fire on one another. I have a feeling Georgia is about to erupt, also. About the only ex-Soviet countries not fighting each other are the ones aligned with the West, who all see Russia as the common enemy. Russia has been reduced to asking Iran and North Korea for ammunition and weapons, as no one else will do it, and all their allies are fighting amongst themselves.

Xi and Putin met this week, with Xi not really giving Putin much verbal support, calling for "international stability and order" and treating Russia as a vassal state, with Putin acting very much like the weakest link. That had to be humiliating for Putin, but not much he can do about it.

Putin is such an idiot. All this chaos is going to spill over into Russia itself, which is having problems with oligarchs and high level officials falling out of windows and off boats, and such. Also, lots of internal attacks - seems like there have been a lot of careless smokers in Russia since the war broke out - as well as reported attacks on Putin himself. Also, Navalny has apparently disappeared from his prison, his lawyers went to see him a few days ago, and they were told "no such prisoner resides here". I expect to hear that he has been killed. EDIT: This is old info, he is being held in solitary most of the time and no on is permitted to see him or give or receive anything from him ... not that it is working:

Link to tweet

Perhaps we are seeing the Russian "Federation" starting to break up, and in any case, seems likely to be heading towards civil war, as other ethnic groups decide they want to be independent. The citizens of Moscow seem quite oblivious to what is going on, due to the complete contro of the media by the State, but at some point, that will break ... as suddenly as the offensive in Kharkiv.

Crazy times, but things are coming to a head. As bad as we have it here with Trump and his fellow Putin-ites (and have no doubt about it, Trump, Q, Fox, Brexit and much more are part of the larger Putin plan to destabilize and destroy the West), at least it's not as bad as it could be. With luck, maybe we can take Trump, Putin and the whole pile of garbage out to the toxic waste dump at once, and find a way to move forward. I'm hoping (with slim chance of it coming true) that whoever takes over from Putin decides to come clean on all of it, with the hopes of getting to rejoin the world community.

[intrepidity]

1. The part about Navalny is not correct

Also, while the state may control their msm, access to the internet is intact. Plenty of YouTubers in Moscow to verify that

[Irish_Dem]

4. What is the correct situation regarding Nalvany?

[intrepidity]

5. here

https://democraticunderground.com/100217160989

[Irish_Dem]

12. Yes this is what I had read too. Navalny is missing or dead.

[intrepidity]

13. Yes, but from June, not this week nt

[Irish_Dem]

15. Yes but Putin knew then that the war was going badly.

And he is the one probably killing the Russian oligarchs all summer.

[relayerbob]

9. The access is severely limited

Don't kid yourself, most have little to no idea what is going on. Sure, some are more adventurous, but the penalties for even seeing truth are severe

[intrepidity]

14. It is willful ignorance

Anyone there can find the info if they look even a little bit.

[relayerbob]

16. That's the USA

[relayerbob]

10. Edited the original post

[Effete Snob]

2. Turkmenistan

Among all the crazy things that go on in Turkmenistan (and its a long list), declaring themselves officially neutral from the start was a great idea.

[sop]

3. Hadn't heard about Navalny's "disappearance" from prison,

or that his lawyers were told "no such prisoner resides here" when they tried to see him. Really interesting development.

[intrepidity]

7. that was from June

see here

https://democraticunderground.com/100217160989

[Clash City Rocker]

6. Some people think the Russian Federation could break up altogether

Will Chechnya give it another try at independence? Will China take back Outer Manchuria?

Here’s an interesting interview with a retired 3-star general who thinks we should be prepared in case it happens.

[grantcart]

17. It is not in our interest to see the Russian Federation break apart

Among other problems is that of control of their nuclear forces that could devolve into multiple states.

[Clash City Rocker]

19. Exactly. His point is that we weren't prepared for the USSR breaking up

and we need to prepare in case the Russian Federation breaks up.

[roamer65]

22. It's beyond our control at this point.

We should stay out of it, other than fully supporting Ukrainian interests.

It’s going to happen.

[grantcart]

23. The break up of the Russian Federation is not a forgone conclusion

The EU and the US should be signaling our interest in working with a post Putin reform government that will help integrate Russia into Europe.

In fact we have tremendous influence in exactly those circumstances. It was the US that installed CIA officers in the post USSR to hand monthly packets of cash to nuclear arms soldiers when they were left with no pay (legislation co sponsored by Sen Obama).

It was US guarantees of support, if attacked, that allowed the newly founded Republic of Ukraine to give up the their nuclear arsenal.

The key to having a strong positive voice in the post Putin Russia is a Western based coalition that is strongly united.

The great irony is that Putin has united US more than any time in the last three decades.

[sanatanadharma]

11. Contradicting nothing and no one, as a student I once read about post-Soviet ...

... and likely adding nothing here.
It was book, more of a monograph, about a future wherein the archaeologists reconstructed their ideas about the lives once lived in the long lost and forgotten past. A time when apparently two competing cultures collapsed.

Known to the scholars as 'ussers' and the 'more-ussers' cultures, both were lost under the sands of time, identified only by their markings left behind.
USA and USSR

The gorbochovian and reagamaniac adherents of academentia argue yet about who is more right about which culture was last left.

And it was then, as now, all satire.

[Ponietz]

21. I read similar satire

Swift wrote about big and little enders in Gulliver’s Travels.

[Pepsidog]

18. Get rid of Fox nightly shows and 1/2 our problems disappear.

[LiberalLovinLug]

20. I think its also a case of rebel groups seizing the opportunity to attack

With Russia's armed forces so stretched and otherwise occupied at present with a bigger problem.