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Stinky The Clown

(67,819 posts)
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 06:07 PM Mar 2023

There is a teacher shortage pretty much nationwide. Should systems suffering shortage . . . .

. . . . actively recruit in Florida? Particularly systems in blue/Free States?

Should colleges and university do the same?

What about doctors and nurses? They, too, are in short supply in the Free States (blue).

Who else could be enticed to leave the fascist states?

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There is a teacher shortage pretty much nationwide. Should systems suffering shortage . . . . (Original Post) Stinky The Clown Mar 2023 OP
It seems one party welcomes ignorance as a way to victory. GreenWave Mar 2023 #1
Teachers are generally underpaid, have to work off the clock, buy their own supplies, Chainfire Mar 2023 #2
Agree jmbar2 Mar 2023 #8
The question is, how are you going to do it? pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #3
Universities already do international searches in many fields spooky3 Mar 2023 #4
We are desperate for teachers. onecaliberal Mar 2023 #5
Hospitals in California for years have been recruiting RNs Mr.Bill Mar 2023 #6
Wonder if eliminating the degree requirements like is being proposed by President Obama would help? MichMan Mar 2023 #7
For professional jobs like Doctor, Nurse, Teacher? I think not. Hekate Mar 2023 #9
Oh sure BlueSpot Mar 2023 #11
That's for lower skills positions pinkstarburst Mar 2023 #10

Chainfire

(17,647 posts)
2. Teachers are generally underpaid, have to work off the clock, buy their own supplies,
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 06:18 PM
Mar 2023

and get little respect or help from governments or parents, and now they are being threatened with jail if they say something something right-wing knuckle-dragger finds offensive, like slavery was wrong. In many cases, they would be better off with a job asking "do you want fries with that?"

I would think that any teachers, with the means and ability to change professions or to move out of places like Florida to ply their trade would do so. Of course, many can't so they have to stay and make the best of a bad situation. If Florida loses too many teachers, the Fascist government will lower standards of training and fill the spots with unqualified teachers that are politically reliable. Wait for it, it is coming.

There is a reason why less than half of new teachers are still doing the job five years later.

jmbar2

(4,909 posts)
8. Agree
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 07:55 PM
Mar 2023

I started subbing this year and it only works if you are on SS. It wouldn't pay the bills otherwise, much less let you afford to relocate to another state.

I don't know why the jobs that require caring for others are paid so low, except that they were traditionally held mostly by women and minorities.

Caregivers and noncertified subs in my neck of the woods get paid about $15/hour. Vacation rental dwelling cleaners get $25+.

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
3. The question is, how are you going to do it?
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 06:34 PM
Mar 2023

Many people who live in red states aren't always there because they are choosing to be. They are there because the cost of living is lower. This is one of the major reasons people keep leaving California, even though California is doing so many amazing things (insulin! LGBT rights! women's rights!). No matter how much you may agree with the politics, if you just can't afford the rent (by a factor of 2x or 3x) and if you could actually afford a house in a red state... that can be pretty tempting.

So when it comes to teachers (I am a former teacher of several decades, btw) I think any recruiting efforts would have to offer a pretty serious financial compensation package that would have to make moving away from where the teacher currently lived to the new location REALLY advantageous. Now some professions, they actually do that. They'll give you a $30K signing bonus. They'll actually pay you a good living wage where you can afford to live in the community and get a good house.

But for teachers, the reality is you basically need to marry someone who earns a good wage (i.e. not another teacher, lol) if you want to be able to afford a house in most areas. Most teachers can't make it on just their salary. I had teacher friends with kids and a spouse who had a minimum wage job and it was rough.

And as far as I can see, teachers are not being offered anything in terms of enticing pay. There are differences in pay in different areas of the country, but they're pretty much tied to local COL. Most people also have family nearby so that is a factor.

spooky3

(34,483 posts)
4. Universities already do international searches in many fields
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 06:39 PM
Mar 2023

It’s easy and cheap to post vacancy notices on professional association sites, and easy for applicants to submit materials online.

In some cases, universities are required to advertise broadly, eg, if they have under representations of certain groups of people.

I fully expect UF, FSU, etc., to have difficulty recruiting top candidates. And if it weren’t for generally low rates of turnover among tenured faculty, and families having multiple pay earners or personal ties to their communities, I would expect these universities to lose a lot of current faculty.

Mr.Bill

(24,330 posts)
6. Hospitals in California for years have been recruiting RNs
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 06:50 PM
Mar 2023

wherever they can find them. An RN can make more money in California than almost any other state. Many are starting near six figures if they are experienced and have some certifications. And you don't have to go to a big city and high cost of living area to get that kind of money.

pinkstarburst

(1,327 posts)
10. That's for lower skills positions
Mon Mar 20, 2023, 08:22 PM
Mar 2023

that had been arbitrarily requiring degrees when they weren't needed, not professional positions like teaching. Do you want to be operated on by a surgeon who didn't attend college or medical school?

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