Imagine devoting your whole life to public service, and you end up getting

[niyad]

stabbed in the back by people you thought HAD your back.

[Irish_Dem]

1. I disagree. This is not what happened.

[Desert grandma]

5. I Respectfully Disagree

THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE.

[osteopath6]

48. +1

Joe was so excited about his second term!! 😣😫

[iluvtennis]

61. +2.

[Bettie]

115. +3

That is what happened.

A whole bunch of stab wounds. From people he probably trusted.

[MustLoveBeagles]

6. I disagree

[debm55]

16. I agree he was stabbed in the back

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[XanaDUer2]

53. Debbie Dingell actually said knives out

[dchill]

105. Crypto-knives.

[niyad]

8. Then kindly enlighten me.

[Yorkie Mom]

15. This may help (or not)?

NEW: President Joe Biden’s youngest brother, Frank Biden, tells @ABCNews' @lcbruggeman
that his brother’s decision to step out of the race “boils down” to his “overall health and vitality” but also “beating this genuine threat to our nation in the form of Donald Trump.”

Link to tweet

[Irish_Dem]

18. Thanks Yorkie.

[MartyTheGreek]

20. Exactly! Biden put Country above Party! Now, get the closet maga Den Moms in the vote! n/t

[Hope22]

21. Nope, doesn't help...

Old news! Brother crawls out of the cupboard. Joe will say what he needs and wants. They stepped on his head!

[niyad]

60. Sorry, it does not. At this moment, at least, I do not give a damn about the

words of someone of whose existence I was unaware until your post, I don't care who they are, or claim to be. I do not trust ANY of the msm and their "sources".

[Orrex]

74. That sounds like an attempt to regain control of the narrative

I don't fault him for the attempt, but It's not as though Biden didn't know that his "overall health and vitality" would be an issue. However, he likely didn't anticipate the relentless attacks from prominent members of his own party.

[niyad]

76. Does anybody have that video clip?

[Turbineguy]

126. The aging rate in that job is exponential.

[edisdead]

56. It is exactly what happened.

[Irish_Dem]

111. It is all over but the crying and anger.

Just like I said.

Time to move on.

[Bettie]

117. Move on to acceptance of living in a dictatorship

run by the orange dictator? Should be OK for anyone who isn't a visible minority....or who doesn't love anyone who is one.

But, being a woman? Not so great.

[niyad]

128. And, apparently, many people do not care that women's very existence

is threatened. I am beyond disgusted.

[Bettie]

129. I'm suddenly very glad that I only had boys

but not just women, trans people, GLBTQUIA people, Black, Hispanic, Asian....(not sure if I've used all the correct current language)...pretty much anyone who is isn't a white heterosexual cis man with money is not safe.

[niyad]

131. I am glad I never had ANY children. Your assessment is correct.

[niyad]

125. Did you ever hear about the stages of grief? Perhaps a little compassion, patience,

and understanding, is not too much to ask after such a perceived (even if some do not see it that way) massive blow?

[Bettie]

130. For some people this is the best day of their lives

there are a few who are overjoyed.

[niyad]

132. Yes, I have noticed that.

[Tadpole Raisin]

79. Might have been a little bit of both. The public calls felt like a real betrayal.

Behind the scenes discussions were more respectful. I can understand the ‘what’ and ‘why’ of what they did.

For some of them, the ‘how’ bothers me.

[OnDoutside]

108. Well since it was all a jolly walk in the park,

I wish all those involved exactly the same jolly walk in the park had Joe just had.

[Irish_Dem]

112. Time for unity and moving forward.

We have an election to win.

[OnDoutside]

118. I know the drill

but being Irish, I've never liked someone being f'ed over and then being told to keep your mouth shut and watch them suffer. It just doesn't sit well with me, maybe it's because we've seen so much injustice.

[stage left]

119. I think some of us might need some time to rage and grieve.

It hasn't even been 24 hours yet. A rabid dog should be able to run against a depraved maniac like Donald Trump and kick his ass. But he's already defeated one of the best women the party could field. We're facing off against a party of cheaters and violent dirty tricksters, billionaire oligarchs, and a press bought and paid for by the other side. I'm even more terrified than I was before.

[ForgedCrank]

133. I don't

know how Joe Biden feels about it since I haven't asked him directly, but I know what they just did to me. Decades of loyalty only to be told my primary vote was now invalid. It appears to me that Joe was going to run it through to the end and pressured to do this.
Again, I can't say that for certain, but that sure it what it smells like.

[we can do it]

139. It 100% is exactly what happed, anyone paying attention could see that.

[usonian]

2. see my post

https://democraticunderground.com/100219203192

[Wicked Blue]

3. And he has never enriched himself in the process of serving the nation.

He won't be retiring to some fancy ranch to cut brush or gallivant around the globe with the wealthy.

I hope he will write a blistering memoire some day.

[niyad]

11. Absolutely agree!!!

[MyOwnPeace]

22. As an 'aside'.........

the ‘cutting brush at the ranch’ was a bullshit scam!
When ‘W’ retired he went to live in an up-scale gated community where he could paint in peace and not answer questions about how stupid he really was!

[Wicked Blue]

23. Of course I knew that

Dumbya probably couldn't cut a piece of bread without mangling his fingers.

[MyOwnPeace]

26. And.......

he wasn’t allowed anything sharp unless Dick Cheney said so!

[krkaufman]

55. Seemed to me like W retired to a sanitarium

... where he was offered art therapy as a means to cope with his subconscious warring with what he'd done to the country.

[niyad]

64. And we know they had to bring in that brush!

[GiqueCee]

98. Dubya and the brush cutting...

... was a photo op, much like Putin riding horseback down a stream with no shirt on. Total bullshit.
I wonder if he still does that cartoon swagger that was so painfully stupid and embarrassing to have to watch.

[StarryNite]

4. I feel so bad for him.

I hope he has a long and wonderful and peaceful retirement...after the election is over and he is no longer president. I hope he enjoys his family including his dogs. I wish him all the best.

As for the backstabbers I hope they will all turn on each other now. Even the one/ones who just finally came out in support of him as if we can't see through that. They must think we're fucking stupid.

Frankly it's us that I'm more worried about now.

[niyad]

9. EXACTLY!!!

[moonscape]

13. I sorta hope they wait to turn on

each other until after we’ve secured the election.

[ECL213]

86. I will vote.

I hope others will vote. I have my doubts that this election will be “secured”. I think that ship has sunk.

I hope I’m wrong.

[RandomNumbers]

124. Yeah, that's my thought

but goddamn if we don't win this election we should all turn on THEM.

[greatauntoftriplets]

57. This has to have been so stressful for him.

On top of having COVID.

[stage left]

110. It's like he was kicked in the head

while he was sick. God, I hate this country sometimes. It's all about money.

[mcar]

7. I am so angry

To be treated with such disrespect by his own colleagues makes me so sad for him.

He deserved better.

[niyad]

10. EXACTLY!!!

[osteopath6]

54. WWJD

What would Joe do?

Has Joe ever stabbed his friends/colleagues in the back? Would he, based on everything we know about him, ever in the future? Of course not.

I keep trying to rationalize this, yet, Joe wouldn't have ever done this to another so called ally.

[Hartpi978]

12. Congratulations media on a successful campaign to oust President Biden

This is the result of a constant campaign by the media since the bad 90 minutes President Biden had at the debate. Very little was said about him not running while he was winning primaries to become the nominee. The media has been like a dog with a bone since the debate. By the way, the worst of these has been C-Span. Keep your eye on them. They are doing all they can to get Trump elected.

So a lifetime of grabbing women by the crotch is OK. But a lousy 90 minute debate makes you unelectable. makes sense to me.

[niyad]

14. I wonder how much I will have to drink before it makes sense to me. Working

on my first glass now.

[piddyprints]

19. I'm about to start my second glass.

I’m so scared now. We just lost the incumbent key.

[niyad]

30. Note to self: Trader Joe's and Costco liquor sections tomorrow.

[piddyprints]

45. Aldi...

Prosecco.

[Linda ladeewolf]

32. I don't drink anymore

I may start again though.

[niyad]

67. Or, as Glynis Johns' character said in "While You Were Sleeping", "I don't

drink anymore. . . .I don't drink any less, either."

[Linda ladeewolf]

70. I once could drink

Most people under the table. I quit when I couldn’t get drunk anymore after several drinks. Not even a buzz. Now I can’t stand the taste. I wish I could!

[niyad]

78. Then we will have to drink for you!

[Hope22]

24. Probably better stop before that makes sense! 😁

The dose is too high!

[Wicked Blue]

25. Goddess I wish I could drink.

Have one for me.

Can't drink because of all the meds I'm taking.

[niyad]

35. Will do. tell me what you would drink, if you could!

[Wicked Blue]

41. Vodka and cranberry juice, thank you!

[niyad]

65. And I happen to have both! Here is to you, my friend!!!

[Wicked Blue]

66. And to you, Niyad!

[niyad]

69. Thank you!

[niyad]

36. Will do. tell me what you would drink, if you could!

[Abolishinist]

46. You might be on your first glass,

but I'm already seeing double!

[niyad]

82. Scary, is it not?

[chowder66]

104. I'm furious but I'm getting behind Kamala and will try to help the reps to keep the house and senate.

Biden was busting his ass not just before the debate but since he stepped into office... and the mess that Trump left required him to do so.

The relentlessness of the post-debate scrutiny and pile-on with the demand that he get back out there immediately with a bad cold (which he did the next day without any time to recover) was really the beginning of the manufactured end in my opinion. He kept at it, making appearances, fundraising, doing interviews, giving speeches, but they continued harder and more loudly.

He couldn't even rest to recover from Covid with some people demanding that he be out there. It was ludicrous. They drove the narrative and ran him into the ground with it.

His already intense schedule would have been hard on anyone; but the broligarchs, the media, the naysayers and the congresspersons just wouldn't let up (though I think the doubters in congress would have once he was the official nominee).

He was being pushed into even a more intense schedule while sick without being able to fully heal.
He knew that there was no way to satisfy these people where satisfaction wasn't going to be accepted. They were going to keep focusing on him and any mis-steps he might have made.

I hope he can get the rest he needs now to finish out his brilliant Presidency but there is a shit-ton of work to do to beat that SOB that want's to destroy our country.

[Comfortably_Numb]

29. And I just had enough of M$NBC's chicken little, democrats in the wilderness bullshit and turned it off.

Whatever the media’s complicity in the decision is, they are going to bang the gong against democrats no matter who the nom is, so fuk ‘em all.

[BlueTsunami2018]

17. Yep, in the end, money was more important than loyalty.

And now that we’ve allowed the moneyed interests to topple our duly elected President and winner of the primary, I suppose they get to pick who actually does run.

Or else they’ll withhold their donations again.

You give in to extortion once, you start a cycle that never ends.

[Wicked Blue]

28. damn right!

[erpowers]

72. So Far No

So far that is not happening. It seems that with the Clinton's and some others(I am not sure the Obama's have) just about immediately endorsing VP Kamala Harris, the donors seem to be falling in line. However, I understand your point. I was also worried that having gotten what they wanted the donors would demand to have their choice. So far that is not happening.

We need to get big money out of politics.

[Scubamatt]

84. Yeah, but

what promises had to be made to the big $ donors? I know the party line is that they all had access to super secret polls that showed Joe trailing in the swing states, but no one wants to share those polls with us average voters - kind of like Trump's tax returns - we hear about them, but never get to see them. I think its more likely the billionaires were concerned about Joe's approach on taxes. I expect they extorted a pretty high price from Kamala for theiir support.

[Hope22]

135. I don't worry about the Clinton's, the Obama's any of that!

I worry about a fake primary with disposable results and votes in the toilet. This could really happen again and again taking the American people out of the election process! Why is it OK to ignore a primary election to get what they want? I should be used to this. I live in Ohio and had Blackwell steal an election right in front of us but ya know….it’s something you NEVER get used to. If this thing backfires and TSF cheats his way in to the White House it will be a disaster and a half. Yes we can unify but we could have unified regardless.

[japple]

27. I am sick about this and I agree that he was, just like the many good candidates we've had before,

kicked to the curb. I cannot desert the Democratic Party, because the Democratic Party is us. I am sick that monied interests have won once again.

I just wish folks here on DU could at least give it break, just for the rest of the day anyway, and stop tossing around names for their favorite dream team, esp. if VP Harris is not part of the ticket.

[dweller]

39. Yeh

The Grave dancing is sickening


✌🏻

[japple]

47. Grave dancing is what it seems like to me too.

[niyad]

71. YES, PLEASE!!!

[usregimechange]

31. They're just trying to protect the country

[niyad]

44. . . .

[dweller]

33. Bookmarking

I hope to be able to return to it someday , when the others are proven wrong , and you prophetic


✌🏻

[still-prayin4rain]

34. These people have actually known him and been his friend for decades.

We all love Joe Biden, but we do not know or care about him the personal way that Pelosi, Schumer, and others who called for him to step down know and love him. This wasn't easy for them.

Also, Biden is a brilliant, strong fighter. He would not have stepped back unless he decided it was the best thing to do for our country.

Much love to our beloved President Biden, and to the Democratic leaders who did what they believed they needed to do to save the country from Trump.

[Wicked Blue]

138. How do we know they actually care for him? They seem rather calculating to me.

[still-prayin4rain]

140. Yes, I truly believe that all of these Democrats who have worked beside and known President Biden for decades truly care

for him on a personal level. But also, yes, being calculating is their responsibility to this party and this country. A person whose job is to do what is best for the country must speak up if they believe it is in the best interest of the country. They cannot put their friendships and personal relationships over the good of the party and the country.

Trump winning would be catastrophic for our security and for our democracy. That is not hyperbole.

Also, I truly believe that if Biden thought he was the best choice to run, he would not have stepped down from the campaign. He strikes me as a fighter and someone who does what he believes is right, too. I respect President Biden's decision to support Kamala as the nominee.

[jaxexpat]

37. We live in Shakespearian times, I think.

[Linda ladeewolf]

38. The media is trying to protect the billionaires who own them, not the country or any of us!

[W_HAMILTON]

40. Regardless of what happens in November, i will never forget.

I look forward to supporting quite a few primary challengers next cycle.

[LudwigPastorius]

42. Joe's a big boy.

He's seen more about how Washington works than almost anyone.

He is too big of a man to be bitter about this. The least we can do is try to follow his example.

[dweller]

51. I suspect

Joe is going through some grief right now too , so maybe we are ?


✌🏻

[niyad]

52. Unfortunately, I am not as good a person as Joe. I am so FUCKING ANGRY

right now that I am surprised it is not registering on the Richter scale. So, for now, I am going to stay in, with my kitty and my wine and my poppets, until it is safe for me to be amoung people, however long that takes.

[musette_sf]

58. As am I.

I will be angry for some time to come. This is bullshit.

[erpowers]

120. From What I Am Hearing on the News

From what I am hearing from the news he is pretty angry and hurt. I wish he could have been convinced to delay his decision until he had recovered from COVID. From the news reporting it seemed like him being isolated and having to deal with COVID may have allowed him to make a rash decision due to his being tired. It seems like he may have become a little frustrated and said screw it I'm out. It seems like he did not want to drop out, but was tried from COVID. He might have felt different next week.

[malthaussen]

43. The Democratic Party, IMO, has acted with breathtaking dishonor.

I know, nobody cares about honor, morality, or ethics anymore (or at least, scarce anyone in a public position). Forget everything else, forcing Mr Biden out (and he was forced, let's have none of this "it was his decision" noise, he went kicking and screaming every inch of the way) was the most dishonorable act I've seen the Democrats commit in quite some time. (GOP thrives on them, of course)

In the end, I don't know that it makes much difference, but I'll tell ya, Niyad, I'm not looking forward to the gloating that's gonna come from both the GOP and some Democrats after this. And it really makes me wonder if the Money has won after all, since the only reason the Democrats ditched Joe was because the money-men told them to.

-- Mal

[niyad]

75. Nor am I. It is going to need a LOT of alcohol, anti--anxiety meds, etc.,

for us to get through these next months.

And, just for the record, I have a VERY LOOOOOOOOOONG Taurus memory,

[malthaussen]

80. And nobody with whom to discuss my darkest thoughts...

... because I don't want to elevate anybody else's level of panic (and I know a lot of people who are panicking about the upcoming election).

My memory is Aquarian, and it is great on some things (mostly trivial), while a complete blank on others.

-- Mal

[Tarzanrock]

49. It's too bad that the "indecent" democratic politicians ...

... never showed Joe Biden the same decency and loyalty which Joe Biden showed them and our country. I'm old enough to remember when our Democratic Party frowned upon this very type of back room, cigar smoking, political nomination process and it was absolutely despised as being undemocratic conduct which thwarted the will of the voters and changes were made in the party apparatus to prevent such conduct from happening. These corrupt politicians will live in infamy and deservedly so for such treachery.

[roamer65]

50. I think it was his decision alone.

I respect and we move on to beat the real threat.

FASCISM.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

59. The vast majority of the Dems wanted him to step aside.

The people saw that he had limitations that were not previously known about.

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary to have someone step aside for such a reason, it is not a bad thing, just a necessary thing.

It fosters anger and will undermine our turnout if you insist to imply that we are terrible people.

[niyad]

62. "vast majority"??? kindly cite, legitimate, reliable statistics and proof

for that assertion.

I implied nothing. You inferred a great deal.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

91. What is the word for the more certain form of the meaning that "implied" has?

https://apnews.com/article/biden-trump-poll-drop-out-debate-democrats-59eebaca6989985c2bfbf4f72bdfa112
Nearly two-thirds of Democrats want Biden to withdraw, new AP-NORC poll finds

[niyad]

99. Funny, that poll does not match with the people I know, NONE of whom

have ever been polled. But do keep trying.

[Wicked Blue]

142. Are you interested in purchasing a fine bridge to Brooklyn?

Time and again we on DU have found that these media polls are problematic, if not downright lies.
I no more trust this poll than I do others.

[Susan Calvin]

81. Ah, but which Dems?

I can only speak for myself, but it sure wasn't me, for a number of reasons.

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

93. All Dems

https://apnews.com/article/biden-trump-poll-drop-out-debate-democrats-59eebaca6989985c2bfbf4f72bdfa112
Nearly two-thirds of Democrats want Biden to withdraw, new AP-NORC poll finds

Half of Black Democrats say he should continue running, while only a third of white and Hispanic Democrats say the same.

Younger Democrats are more likely to want Biden to withdraw from the race. Three-quarters of Democrats under the age of 45 want Biden to drop out, compared to 57% of those over the age of 45.

[Susan Calvin]

96. Well, that's not exactly "all," but thanks for the poll. nt

[DontBelieveEastisEas]

97. Oh I see what you mean now.

I thought you meant groups. But you did specifically mention yourself; noted. I apologize.

[Tarzanrock]

63. Some of us ...

know what happens when you try to change horses in a fast moving river.

[Linda ladeewolf]

68. Okay, now what?

I’m so angry I could spit venom. Most likely Biden will Nominate Harris. The other side thinks they can beat her. We can’t let them! I wonder if a sudden influx of donations to Harris would help settle the party on her and get her the backing she needs to win? Anyone else?

[Susan Calvin]

83. There's going to be a sudden rush of donations from me,

Whoever the nominee is. That doesn't stop me from having a bad feeling about this.

[3catwoman3]

73. He must feel so betrayed.

I can't even find words for how angry and how sad I am.

[johnnyplankton]

77. Imagine letting your ego allow a fascist to become President...

Joe did the right thing. We don't see what people close to him saw. They weren't traitors. They're saviors.

[niyad]

85. Since, by your own words, we do not know, you statement praising them is

not based in fact. Your first statement can be read the exact opposite of what I am guessing your intention was. Saviours, or ego?

[johnnyplankton]

136. I was talking about what appeared to be Joe's ego...

Thank God they talked him into stepping down. The general public - especially younger people - are energized.

[niyad]

137. And yet, one could read your statement as referring to those demanding he step down.

I understoid exactly what you meant. I was simply pointing out the obvious OTHER way of reading your statement.

[agingdem]

87. Joe was NOT stabbed in the back..

you want someone to blame?... blame Father Time

[niyad]

89. . . .

[agingdem]

92. 76..I'm not who I was 5 years ago..

I'm slower, more cautious, less patient, my word are measured..I'd say the only advantage to old age is that filter in my head that once flashed "DON'T SAY THAT" has disappeared and I have no problem telling stupid people to shut the fuck up..

[niyad]

95. Joe did not suddenly age five years on 27 June, so your argument does not hold.

[agingdem]

100. no but it became obvious at the "debate" he couldn't keep up cold or no cold..

age creeps up on all of us..that said, Joe will forever be regarded as the best president ever..no small feat..

[PatrickforB]

88. Yeah, but I keep reminding myself we do not know the whole story. The only thing to do now is

see how it plays out while at the same time working hard to get out the vote.

But yes, I am in my mid-sixties and have been betrayed cruelly at several points in my life. It does not feel good and the pain does linger. Biden is a genuinely good man, though, with a good and loving family. He is filled with love, compassion and the zeal for public service.

He has served this nation with great honor.

[niyad]

90. My reaction today is based on what I have seen since 27 June. Should other

facts present themselves, I will revise my view as needed. For now, it stands.

[Augiedog]

94. Not what happened at all

[iemanja]

101. Age is real

After a certain point, we simply aren't able to perform at the same level. That doesn't mean Biden didn't accomplish a great deal for our country, but he couldn't go on in the most stressful job in the world for four more years. That's what those who saw him often realized that many of us who don't know him didn't necessarily see.

The import thing now, however, is that we still have an election to win. We must pick a nominee soon and rally around that person to defeat Trump!

[Tarzanrock]

102. What do you think that the ...

... Las Vegas and European bookmakers are today placing on Donald J. Turd winning the November election? I have this same sickening feeling in my gut today that I had on the night of November 8, 2016.

[StarryNite]

103. At least he won't have to face that ugly orange POS again.

[Earthrise]

106. The pain Biden is enduring is beyond me, but the pain he would

experience if he lost would end him, I think.

[Goodheart]

107. Get a grip. He's a politician.

It was his DUTY to serve us. We don't owe him a thing, except our thanks.

Thank you, Joe Biden... you're a fantastic human being who made an outstanding President. And thank you for your decision today.

[KS Toronado]

109. Wonder if this all boils down to plain old out thinking TSF & his enablers

Biden has a good grip on the political winds, well aware TSF will probably try something to steal the
election, possible throw it to the House to vote on and pick a winner?

And the President between election day and Jan 21 might have to make some very serious calls, like
I can do whatever I want because the Supreme Court gave me immunity, so arrest that insurrectionist
and that insurrectionist and all those people over there, maybe even Martial Law to control all the Rs
out in the streets wanting a bloodbath.

Believe Biden and his inner circle know something and that they will never tell the public before
election day, meanwhile Kamala can say look my hands are clean.

[Clouds Passing]

113. The Backstabbers O'Jays

Perfect song for the day!

[niyad]

122. Thank you!

[LoisB]

114. That is exactly what I feel. I am pissed off.

[Renew Deal]

116. It would have been a different country if RGB had the same courage as Biden.

[ViewObsessed]

121. Another Biden term would have been amazing!

[Blue Owl]

123. I underestimated the length of the knives

[niyad]

127. I kept hoping I was wrong. Alas, I was not.

[B.See]

134. problem being...

...they were still knives. and we're in a fkng gunfight.

[yardwork]

141. Yes, but Hillary has moved on.

She seems to be living her best life and I imagine she achieved some serenity through forgiveness.

It's been hard for me to forgive. Helping the nation elect Kamala will help me heal from 2016.

[arlyellowdog]

143. No, the people who love Joe realized they can no longer hold him up

Everyone, everyone knows Joe is the great Everyman, but his age is now so apparent. I am old. There’s no hiding it. The average Democrat I talked to said that if they were Joe they’d step aside. It’s what a great person does. Recognize they age and support the young.

[GoreWon2000]

144. Biden was treated like Al Gore in 2000.

Senate dems were AWOL in 2000 by not supporting CBC challenge to the fraudulent Florida vote count. Here we now are, we the people now disenfranchised twice by both GOP and Dems, on the verge of a Nazi dictatorship.

[Blue Full Moon]

145. 100%