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struggle4progress

(127,170 posts)
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:04 PM Mar 2025

Doubts about COVID vaccine study claiming mRNA harms

As politicians move to ban mRNA vaccines in some states, research into vaccine side effects is going viral
By Elizabeth Hlavinka
Staff Writer
Published March 8, 2025 5:30AM (EST)

The COVID-19 pandemic is in the rearview mirror for many people, despite the fact that the virus still kills hundreds every week and could surge again if another mutated strain comes along, as witnessed multiple times in the last five years. Still, infections are at relative lows lately thanks in part to acquired immunity from infections and vaccines. Indeed, record-breaking vaccine development played a big role in keeping the SARS-CoV-2 virus at bay ...

Earlier this week, Iowa lawmakers advanced a bill that would prohibit the administration of mRNA vaccines, and Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis also called for a permanent ban on mRNA vaccine mandates. Last month, Kentucky lawmakers introduced a bill that would make it illegal to give mRNA vaccines to children and would remove vaccine mandates by schools, hospitals and employers while an Idaho regional health department banned COVID vaccines in October.

Last month, researchers from Yale University published a study, which has yet to be peer-reviewed, on the preprint server medRx, which rapidly circulated online among vaccine skeptics. The study said a small group of patients reported lingering symptoms similar to long COVID — including brain fog, fatigue, tinnitus and sleep issues — after receiving the Pfizer or Moderna mRNA COVID vaccine. (Four patients also received the Johnson & Johnson COVID vaccine which does not use mRNA.) It was quickly circulated online and used to support anti-vaccine conspiracies and misinformation.

But experts urged caution when interpreting these results before the study can be verified and peer-reviewed. For one, the study used a small sample size, with only 42 people (and 22 healthy control subjects) self-identifying their symptoms, explained Dr. E. John Wherry, the director of the Institute for Immunology and Immune Health at the University of Pennsylvania, who was not involved in the research ...

https://www.salon.com/2025/03/08/experts-raise-serious-doubt-about-elon-musk-hyped-vaccine-study-claiming-mrna-harms/

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Doubts about COVID vaccine study claiming mRNA harms (Original Post) struggle4progress Mar 2025 OP
DeSantis wants permanent ban of mRNA vaccine mandates, other vaccine measures struggle4progress Mar 2025 #1
Post removed Post removed Mar 2025 #6
And yet Mz Pip Mar 2025 #7
Well Hello!! On your soap box again I see. GP6971 Mar 2025 #8
Damn mercuryblues Mar 2025 #12
Rumor has it she GP6971 Mar 2025 #14
I wonder which one mercuryblues Mar 2025 #18
Tough call....I'd have to GP6971 Mar 2025 #19
Donald Trump , to name one. tanyev Mar 2025 #9
My daughter in law who is fighting best cancer and.. yourout Mar 2025 #10
..so in those States, among trumpers.. thomski64 Mar 2025 #2
so school aged children unfortunate enough to live under these conditions stopdiggin Mar 2025 #5
Iowa bill that bans administrating mRNA vaccines advances out of subcommittee struggle4progress Mar 2025 #3
Bill to ban mRNA vaccines passes out of MT House committee struggle4progress Mar 2025 #4
Antivax politics--there is no better example of the American death drive. keep_left Mar 2025 #11
Mrs boonecreek and I have nine Covid jabs each boonecreek Mar 2025 #13
Ditto on the 9. But I've had major side effects. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #15
Sorry you had such severe side effects. boonecreek Mar 2025 #16
That's my hope, too. Ms. Toad Mar 2025 #17

struggle4progress

(127,170 posts)
1. DeSantis wants permanent ban of mRNA vaccine mandates, other vaccine measures
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:09 PM
Mar 2025

Author: Hannah Dineen
Published: 7:16 PM EST March 5, 2025
Updated: 7:29 PM EST March 5, 2025

TAMPA, Fla. — Wednesday afternoon, Gov. Ron DeSantis spoke to the press in downtown Tampa, pushing an initiative he’s calling “Patient Freedom in Healthcare” ...

... he's calling for the federal government to end recommendations for the COVID-19 vaccine for children ...

... he’s calling for the legislature to permanently ban mRNA vaccine mandates. This is a law that already exists in Florida but is set to expire in June due to a sunset provision ...

... he’s calling on the legislature to ... prohibit physicians from denying treatment to anyone based on their vaccination status ...

https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/politics/vaccine-mandate-ban-florida-mrna-covid19/67-2314709a-684a-4c2c-a347-7d5177883f22



Response to struggle4progress (Reply #1)

Mz Pip

(28,541 posts)
7. And yet
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:39 PM
Mar 2025

the death rate dropped after the vaccine came out. A million in this country died before the vaccine. How many are dying now?

yourout

(8,913 posts)
10. My daughter in law who is fighting best cancer and..
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:46 PM
Mar 2025

Having very good results from chemo and mRna immunotherapy might disagree.

thomski64

(1,004 posts)
2. ..so in those States, among trumpers..
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:12 PM
Mar 2025

..one could expect a higher
mortality rate, in the event of
a new outbreak, and this is troubling how....???

stopdiggin

(15,838 posts)
5. so school aged children unfortunate enough to live under these conditions
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:29 PM
Mar 2025

are easy write offs .. ? Legitimate targets?

Cool, man !!!
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struggle4progress

(127,170 posts)
3. Iowa bill that bans administrating mRNA vaccines advances out of subcommittee
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:12 PM
Mar 2025

by: Zach Fisher
Posted: Mar 3, 2025 / 07:34 PM CST
Updated: Mar 4, 2025 / 06:59 AM CST

DES MOINES, Iowa — Iowa Senate Republicans advanced legislation at the beginning of the first funnel week that would prohibit a person from administering a gene-based vaccine to another in the state.

Gene-based vaccine is defined in the bill as “a vaccine developed using messenger ribonucleic acid technology, modified messenger ribonucleic acid technology, self-amplifying messenger ribonucleic acid technology or deoxyribonucleic acid technology.” To simplify, this definition means mRNA vaccines, like those developed for COVID-19 ...

https://who13.com/news/politics/iowa-politics/iowa-bill-that-bans-administrating-mrna-vaccines-advances-out-of-subcommittee/

struggle4progress

(127,170 posts)
4. Bill to ban mRNA vaccines passes out of MT House committee
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:28 PM
Mar 2025

by KATE HESTON
Daily Inter Lake | February 14, 2025 12:00 AM

A bill that would ban the use of mRNA vaccines, including for Covid-19, is on its way to the House floor after passing out of committee in a party-line vote Wednesday ...

The House Judiciary Committee on Feb. 12 voted 12-8 to send the bill to the floor ...

https://dailyinterlake.com/news/2025/feb/14/bill-to-ban-mrna-vaccines-passes-out-of-house-committee/

keep_left

(3,248 posts)
11. Antivax politics--there is no better example of the American death drive.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 07:47 PM
Mar 2025
How many did we lose to Covid, something like 1,000,000+?! Apparently, that's not good enough...we're quite possibly on the brink of another pandemic (avian flu). Yet these morons want to throw away our toolbox for fighting Covid. It's just infuriating!

https://democraticunderground.com/100220037470#post10
https://democraticunderground.com/10143395355#post6

boonecreek

(1,565 posts)
13. Mrs boonecreek and I have nine Covid jabs each
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 09:38 PM
Mar 2025

and we only have experienced minor side effects such as fatigue the next day
and soreness at the injection site although in my case that could be attributed
to arthritis in my shoulders. The upshot is neither of us has had Covid and are
in pretty good health for our ages, 74 & 72.

Ms. Toad

(38,905 posts)
15. Ditto on the 9. But I've had major side effects.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 09:57 PM
Mar 2025

After 8 of the 9 vaccinations, I've had headaches start 2-3 weeks later and last for a month. With this last dose, they were bad enough that I went to the Emergency Room. Each time I've had roughly a week in which I was completely unable to carry on my normal routine because I was hiding in the bedroom under a blanket. None of my normal (or abnormal) medications work - advil, aspirin, tylenol, gabapentin, oxycodone, tramadol, benadryl + compazine + toradol)

Going to try for #10 this spring (at least I think that's the recommendation). I went to a neurologist. He's given me some new medication to try - and has a few others in his pocket if these don't work.

Hoping I can find a way to manage the headaches - because I can't keep losing a month every six months.

And, unfortunately, I've had COVID twice - the first one gave me long COVID. Fortunately the second one was very mild.

boonecreek

(1,565 posts)
16. Sorry you had such severe side effects.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 10:12 PM
Mar 2025

Here's hoping the meds your neurologist prescribed lessen them a whole lot.

Ms. Toad

(38,905 posts)
17. That's my hope, too.
Sat Mar 8, 2025, 10:16 PM
Mar 2025

I really don't want to invite severe COVID (or long COVID) into my life by stopping vaccinations.

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