CNN:Gov Cox says suspect "deeply indoctriated in leftist ideology", roomate was romantic partner who was transitioning,

[Yorkie Mom]

partner has been cooperative and didn't know the shooting was happening, not 100% sure of motive at this time because he hasn't read all of the documents. Suspect left a note that the governor can't talk about yet.

Governor says it's important to understand how a person get radicalized like this. If this was MAGA and a radicalized MAGA person I would be saying this a well. As much as people wish it wasn't or don't want it to be, these are the facts. This is what his family is saying.

[newdeal2]

1. I don't trust anything he or the Trump admin says

They have been trying to fit a specific narrative since before the suspect was caught.

[MichMan]

21. The Utah governor is not part of the Trump administration

[hlthe2b]

29. LOL.. Neither is any member of Congress... Your point?

[newdeal2]

47. I said or, and there is reporting that Trump called him to voice displeasure over his original comments

Now he is falling in line and coordinating with Trump to push their message.

[msongs]

111. gotta admire repub ability to do such coordination. dems have no clue on this nt

[Blues Heron]

52. Exactly, the sickness of the pukes is widespread. They are like aspens, connected at the roots

[Initech]

97. Same with that asshole Kash Patel.

They desperately want this to fit their sick and twisted agenda and it's not working. The shooter wasn't immersed in anything except gun culture and far right shit casters.

[SSJVegeta]

2. It seems most indicators suggest that's probably bullshit

[Yorkie Mom]

6. I don't know. Axios said it had 6 sources for it's article.

Family members have spoken to the press.

[SSJVegeta]

9. The sources were neighbors who suspected they were together because they lived together

Even though the shooter likely just rented a room from them. Also the person uses a masculine name. Most transgender folks change their names before transitioning.

[Yorkie Mom]

16. Some sources were family members.

[SSJVegeta]

24. Neighbors thought they might b together because he lived with them. Family confirmed he rented a room

[hlthe2b]

28. So, you say... You've not provided proof to anyone who has posted to ask... Why?

[EdmondDantes_]

77. You need a link to the Axios article?

Because strangely enough you aren't asking for citations from people who agree with you who haven't cited anything.

The grandma you cite says she never heard her grandson discuss politics, says he never fired a gun, and absolutely didn't do the murder. So hard to use her to say the accused was definitely a Trump supporter given she never heard him either way.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/crime/tyler-robinson-family-republican-b2825943.html

[hlthe2b]

90. They (others here) did not post the assertions in the OP.

Has that escaped you? Yes, it IS customary to post links IN the OP when you make such assertions. As to others "agreeing with me," I have repeatedly stated I don't know what the motivation might have been. Nor do you. So, if they "agree with me," it is my point that some here are casting some aspersions not validated by factual sourcing but rather RW memes. That is pretty disappointing to me (and apparently some others) to see on DU.

Your article cites comments from the grandmother that did not appear in other articles. For all any of the rest of us know, it is the other grandmother making these comments or a misconstruance of her words in your source. Do you know for a fact that is not the case or are you just determined that which is posed by RW media be unquestioned, unreviewed? By your combativeness toward me, I have to wonder.

I have an open mind until more comes out from reliable, validated sources--especially where there is overt and repeated attempts by the RW MAGA to blame Dems, Progressives, Libs, LGBTQ, Trans people and everyone else they consider "the enemy." I'd hope you would join me in that.

[hlthe2b]

15. Ummm, when did this change? The grandmother said he and the entire family were MAGA...?

[JustAnotherGen]

26. I'm wondering too

Hmmm . . .

[LeftInTX]

48. Grandmothers and parents don't know everything! He never voted.

[hlthe2b]

49. Yet neighbors (as cited in this OP) DO? Really?

There is a RW influencer that is close to Kash Patel who has been promoting quite a bit of this. You might want to give this a peak before believing all that is being promoted. Not that MT can't get it wrong too, but they at least check sources and correct if they get it wrong.

[LeftInTX]

50. I knew he had a roommate because the roommate showed LE discord messages.

I thought he lived at home at first.

This was reported very matter of fact on Friday without bias.

Then yesterday, Faux News said the roommate was transgender. I don't trust this because I also read there was cosplay and AI filters involved with the roommate.

[hlthe2b]

54. So your recommended source is Fox news? Really. See the addition in my earlier post.

You might want to watch that video. The neighbor, btw, denies the roommate had any evidence of being trans. They used a female gamer avatar online in their postings which may well be the source of this.

[LeftInTX]

55. Did I say that Fox is my recommended source? I said Faux News stated that he was transgender. I said I didn't trust

it. I also read that there was cosplay and AI involved with the roommate here on DU.

I don't have TV, so I can't even watch Fox News!!!

Yesterday, sources saying that the roommate was transgender were citing Fox News

That's where I got Fox News from. Is citing a citing a crime?

Geez

[hlthe2b]

58. Watch the video kindly that I linked. I am not suggesting (or meaning to) that you are a Fox proponent but

there is a hell of a lot of manipulated and non-validated material being cited on DU right now.

[Wiz Imp]

73. Wait, so since he sent discord messages to somebody, that somebody must be his roommate?

He couldn't have been sending those messages because the person was simply his friend?

[LeftInTX]

85. I believe the roommate showed the messages to LE.

It's been established that he wasn't living at home.

Tyler Robinson messaged roommate on Discord to retrieve rifle: officials

&ab_channel=ABC7

[Wiz Imp]

95. I'm not trying to be argumentative, but how and where has it been established that he wasn't living at home?

Quoting some anonymous "officials" is meaningless since it's easy enough to find plenty of quotes from anonymous "officials" who claimed he lived at home with his parents. Without supporting evidence, there's no reason to trust either claim over the other.

[EdmondDantes_]

33. What indicators are those?

Are you saying Axios, CNN, and ABC are all in on some conspiracy and only unsubstantiated posts here are telling the truth?

[SSJVegeta]

35. The reports by those outlets - like the case engraving story don't appear to be substantiated

[yardwork]

65. Well... it wouldn't be the first time in this case alone that multiple outlets got things wrong.

And, frankly, there IS a conspiracy among MSM to promote Trump and right wing points of view. It's obvious and has been obvious for years.

The story is also vague as hell. I saw the reports yesterday about the roommate being trans and the story is the same in all outlets - vague with no details.

Is there a roommate or not? Is the roommate trans or not? Was the shooter in a relationship with the roommate or not? Nobody has offered any details.

Maybe the shooter was in a romantic relationship with a trans person. And maybe not. We don't know enough to say.

Re-leaping on the "he's a radical leftist so all you Democrats are murderers!" story is ridiculous and predictable. (Not blaming you just observing that this seems to be what is happening again.)

[Prairie Gates]

3. Try, try again, huh?

[no_hypocrisy]

4. I'm afraid to roll my eyes.

I may not be able to roll them back again.

[Lovie777]

5. I'm no....

[Nittersing]

7. Isn't this a big tone change? Wasn't he calling for avoiding misinformation yesterday?

Sounds to me like he got some marching orders.

[sop]

27. Cox got a call from Trump:

'Trump Called Utah Governor With Grim Warning Moments After He Spoke at Charlie Kirk Press Conference'

https://www.mediaite.com/media/news/trump-called-utah-governor-with-grim-warning-moments-after-he-spoke-at-charlie-kirk-press-conference/

[Blues Heron]

8. Better ban guns then since leftists are everywhere you want to be

[C_U_L8R]

10. They are desperate to score political points

and they jumped the gun with all their blame bullshit.
It's there for all to see.

[eShirl]

11. right down to the left's embrace of gun culture

[marble falls]

12. "suspects". I suspect Governor Cox is a dick.

[GentryDixon]

22. He is. He is a "Yes" man to the Republican party & Church. n/t

[JustAnotherGen]

60. No

He is a bag of dicks.

[marble falls]

61. A large bag of tiny mushroom headed ones.

[bucolic_frolic]

13. They are telling us these are the facts.

Let's see what the evidence indicates and let an unbiased news media interpret them.

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. Jeez, so Cox has started the trial today, and he's the chief prosecutor?

The governor of the state that is going to bring charges is already setting out the case in public, when the defense won't have the right to reply?

In a decent jurisdiction, this would be an offense along the lines of contempt of court.

[hlthe2b]

17. Please post the info FROM ACTUAL FAMILY--not "neighbors" or that which can't be spoken about...

(meaning they haven't crafted the evidence yet?) I continue to be skeptical of all reported...

[LeftInTX]

89. I lied my ass off to my grandmother all the time. She was my best friend.

She wanted to know about marijuana. I lied and told her that I never tried. She confronted me numerous times, "I know you're lying". Me, "I never tried it".

Then in another case, "What's it like when men touch you there?" She pointed to my boobs. (She was from an arranged marriage and never dated. She never allowed hubby to kiss her or touch her boobs, but that's a different topic)
Me, "Oh never"
Her: "I know you're lying"
Me: "I never lie"

[hlthe2b]

91. Yet your neighbors always knew the truth about what was going on with you, your family, your friends, your

life? Okay. Interesting.

[LeftInTX]

92. They did not. But we didn't tell our parents all the details about our kids. Why would we?

Grandma is likely basing things on what she saw in this superficially in this Republican family.

Did she know that her grandson had never voted?
Did she know that he was on the "inactive status"
Did she know that he was into memes are violent video games?

What if voters move without updating their address?
Records are automatically updated when a voter obtains or renews their driver’s license or when they change their driver’s license address. Election offices use the National Change of Address database to identify voters who have moved. They inactivate voters who have not updated their address or who had mail returned as undeliverable. Inactive voters are notified that they must verify or update their address before receiving a ballot. Ballots are mailed only to active voters.

https://vote.utah.gov/safe/voter-registration-safeguards/

[hlthe2b]

93. I don't know what the motivation for this young man's act was. Nor do you. So why do you insist that you do?

Most of what continues to be reported is unvalidated, poorly validated or straight-up RW MAGA memes. I will let it shake out. I'd suggest everyone do so as there are many looking to manipulate public opinion.

[LeftInTX]

96. What did I say his motivation was? Tell me what I said it was....

[hlthe2b]

98. Okay, so be it. Have a good day, LeftInTX

[WSHazel]

18. Can anyone remember the last major murder case

Where the family of the murderer had so much influence of authorities' narrative of the investigation?

[Scrivener7]

19. I see nothing on the CNN site like this.

[Shrek]

43. CNN link

Link to tweet

?s=61&t=rKzD9sW085dYvi7aq1EhBg

[Shrek]

20. ABC News also reporting it

The Utah governor, who has been the public face of the investigation, also confirmed reports Saturday that the suspect's roommate is transitioning from male to female.

"We can confirm that, that his roommate was indeed a boyfriend who is transitioning from, from male to female. That's, that's information that the FBI had, had mentioned yesterday. We can confirm that as well. And that, that, that he is cooperating with, with authorities as well," he said.

However, officials have yet to identify a motive in the killing.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/utah-governor-alleged-kirk-shooter-cooperating-authorities/story?id=125552756

[Crunchy Frog]

114. Reporting what the governor said.

No independent verification.

[Oneironaut]

23. RWers are calling for the roommate to be arrested for... existing.

People have lost their minds.

[IzzaNuDay]

63. CK would be proud

based on his opinion of the transgender community.

[Johonny]

25. What is leftist ideology?

What is that?

[Historic NY]

32. A word

[misanthrope]

53. A subjective term

That is relative to the opinions of the person using it. It is also relative to the time and place. “Leftist” in Cullman, Alabama isn’t the same as it is in Montpelier, Vermont, or Greenwich Village.

[sop]

30. According to the right, everyone on the left is transitioning these days.

[Haggard Celine]

45. Ain't that the truth!

They're being outrageous, acting like they're getting ready for a Puritan witch hunt and a Third Great Awakening combined. This has gone so far! I think they're right on schedule so far.

[underpants]

31. Sorry, this is BS. He's a Groyper ( which getting significant mentions on X)

as far as the trans thing:
A. Their neighbor says he lived at home
B. It must be pretty tough being trans in Utah especially this area.

[keep_left]

75. Yep. David Shuster made a little-noticed post on X...

...about the shooter's admiration for Fuentes/Groyper ideology. I believe a link was posted here as well, but I didn't save it. Today, I found the OP by Shuster (posted on 9/12).

Link to tweet

https://democraticunderground.com/100220636185#post71

[underpants]

84. I remember seeing that. That's the story in terms of motive.

[hlthe2b]

34. Emptywheel: THE WHITE HOUSE BID TO TURN THE CHARLIE KIRK MURDER INTO THEIR ANTI-TRANS JIHAD

(posted around same time as your thread, YorkieMom... You might want to read it. I'd personally not want to be helping demonize trans people, nor this man's housemate, sans information that implicates them in the murder)
https://upload.democraticunderground.com/100220640314

[DemocracyWorks]

36. This was on MTP not CNN

[Blue Dotty]

37. Trump's warning to Cox after Governor's announcement

Yesterday morning, Governor Spencer Cox stood behind a podium in Orem, Utah, to announce the end of the 34-hour manhunt for Charlie Kirk’s killer, and to plead for peace in a nation that seemed at risk of spiraling into further violence. “To my young friends, you are inheriting a country where politics feels like rage,” he said. “Your generation has an opportunity to build a culture that is very different than what we are suffering through right now.”

Shortly after he finished, Cox’s phone rang. The president was calling.

“You know, the type of person who would do something like that to Charlie Kirk would love to do it to us,” Cox says Trump told him. Trump went on to recite statistics suggesting that the presidency was “one of the most dangerous jobs on the planet.” Fifteen percent of the men who’d held his office had been shot; 8 percent had been killed.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/trump-has-a-warning-for-spencer-cox/ar-AA1MtP5j

[Blue Full Moon]

38. Call from tRump

?si=GU-H4fIkVD0zT5lK

[intheflow]

59. Thanks for posting.

I haven’t encountered this guy before, but he’s quite good.

[Blue Full Moon]

71. Same here

[D. Spaulding]

39. We have to remember, MAGA was trying to pin this on trans, before

there was even the hint or picture of a suspect. I witnessed it everywhere on right wing sites.
Then there was the deliberate leak of evidence suggesting "pro trans" writing on the ammunition. This is a concerted effort folks, to initiate a war on trans people, and yesterday loony Loomer actually went as far as to say this:

How much do you want to bet we are going to find out there is a Trans terror cell that groomed Tyler Robinson and possibly even provided him with the gun to kill Charlie?

It seems like this was very pre-meditated .

There are literally shooting clubs now where Trannies meet up to learn how to shoot rifles and they wear shirts that say “Kill fascists” and “the 2nd Amendment is for shooting cops”.

They are training for war.

It’s very dangerous.

Who provided him with the rifle he used to kill Charlie Kirk?

I don't know what will eventually emerge about the suspect, maybe some of it is true, but there's no doubt in my mind they'd make it up anyway. If you are trans, or have trans loved ones in your life, this is concerning what they're trying to do, and it won't stop with this incident.

[jeffreyi]

44. Let's see.

We have not heard from the shooter. Utah has the death penalty. My suspicious brain chatter is hypothesizing that a deal is in the works right now that if the suspect agrees to the deranged lefty narrative, he gets life in prison, maybe parole some day. Otherwise, death penalty. This whole thing, from the deed to the coverup at the highest levels, is very dystopian.

[yardwork]

94. There are a zillion right-wing gun clubs and militias.

They're training for a civil war and hope to kill everybody who is a little bit different from them.

Yet we're supposed to be scared that a few trans people might be arming themselves?

[D. Spaulding]

110. She's just a fountain of hate, directing it

at Trans, Muslims, migrants etc.

[Heidi]

40. He might at the same time ask how Charlie Kirk got radicalized.

Charlie Kirk left lots of “notes.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/following-death-14-quotes-thoughts-195129835.html

[BootinUp]

41. Do you trust the Governor when we can't get the info straight from

the individuals?

[Eliot Rosewater]

42. ANYTHING Any republican says ever is 99% of the time a lie.

[GreenWave]

46. CNN will blare whatever Gov. Cocks say..

[travelingthrulife]

51. Trump calls, and Cox starts lying like a rug again.

These are the most cowardly people I have ever experienced.

[hlthe2b]

56. All of this is discussed and discounted where appropriate by this just released Meidas Touch video:

Are they the absolute authority on this? No, but they at least check their facts/sources. I'm appalled that Fox News is being used by some as a source.

Beyond that, we are being manipulated like no one's business yet some on DU are propagating that which is not proven in any way. We know CNN is under fire by the administration so to conclude they are 100% accurate sans other validation is a bit of a stretch as well, imho.

[walkingman]

57. So what? I definitely lean left but have no desire to kill anyone.

I hope this is not the criteria that anyone would use to justify killing another person?

If so, I am in deep shit because I live in Texas and there are a lot of right-wingers all around me. I don't associate with them but they know how I think. I hope I am not being naive.

[regnaD kciN]

103. But THEY have a desire to kill YOU...

In this case, they desperately want to find some reason to blame the murder on “t******s,” because that gives them permission to kill trans people in “self-defense.”

[Sneederbunk]

62. Would it be rude to ask where and when he was indoctrinated in leftist ideology?

Was it the semester he spent at Utah State (Utah's Berkley?) or was he turned by all the wild-eyed radicals at Dixie Technical College? Shut them both down now!

[yardwork]

67. Where can I get some of this leftist ideology?

The media makes it sound as addictive as crack.

[Sneederbunk]

68. Go to Utah. Apparently runs rampant there.

[yardwork]

70. I had no idea.

[Crunchy Frog]

115. What even is a "leftist ideology"?

Such a thing doesn't exist. It's a label that could mean anything, it's not a descriptive term.

Has he embraced Marxism-Leninism? Stalinism? Trotskyism? FDR's New Deal? Has he been reading the complete works of Noam Chomsky? Did he murder someone in the name of universal healthcare?

Until they at least start saying what the ideology is instead of throwing around meaningless catch phrases, I'm not buying any of it.

[RedWhiteBlueIsRacist]

64. Is this jackal the best Utah can come up with? He seems more fit to host Entertainment Tonight.

[ificandream]

66. This is somewhat the same shit I was discussing with a maga online today

You knew they'd try to shove the blame to the left. And they're using this apparent tie to a transgender person (if it's true) as their argument. That's on top of the sainthood they're trying to give Kirk. Pretty predicatable.

[yardwork]

69. Even if it turns out to be true...

How would trans people be to blame for somebody shooting a bigot who was mean to trans people?

Most killers have motives. If this turns out to be his motive why would it be the fault of people who were bullied by the victim?

Nobody deserves to be murdered and I would never say they deserve it, but... if Charlie Kirk was murdered by somebody defending somebody they care about, doesn't Charlie Kirk bear any responsibility for his bullying words and actions?

Seems like the ultimate FAFO. Not that I'm advocating for or defending murder. Murder is bad and I'm opposed to it. But it's a dangerous world out there and Charlie Kirk helped make it more dangerous.

[ecstatic]

72. let's see the note. Funny how quickly the story changed after it was determined that he was likely a groyper. nt

[Wiz Imp]

74. "As much as people wish it wasn't or don't want it to be, these are the facts. This is what his family is saying."

Bullshit. These are allegations being spread by the Governor without a single iota of evidence. Where is the evidence that his family is saying this? The only family member I saw quoted was his grandmother who said nothing remotely like what the Governor said.

[BlueKota]

86. The grandmother said the entire family was

Republican and she didn't even know anyone who was a Democrat.

[LeftInTX]

87. Grandparents don't know their grandkid's secrets. Did she know he was into violent video games?

Did she know he was a possible Groyper (or whatever it's called??)
Did she know that he never voted in his life?
Did she know that his voter registration was on "inactive status", which meant that he was likely to be purged due to having moved?

_______________________

I remember when my grandmother asked me about marijuana. I lied my ass off to her.

[Wiz Imp]

88. Correct. So I don't know where the OP is basing their claim on that family members agreed with the claims

being made by the Governor.

[Skittles]

102. may I add

I would not trust ANYTHING coming from any repuke governor or Trump.2's FBI........NOTHING

[Wiz Imp]

104. 100% agree on both points.

[VanceFan]

76. As I said

As I said, Cox is scum. He got his marching orders from Trump to find a way to blame leftists, trans, etc...

[Ritabert]

78. What happened to the Groyper connection

....that Nick Fuentes is trying to disavow himself from. That's what the inscriptions mean. Video games.

[Beartracks]

79. Didn't i read somewhere that the killer felt Kirk wasn't rightwing extremist ENOUGH?

============

[Ritabert]

80. Yep. He was a follower of Nick Fuentes who is busy trying to distance himself from it.

[Doodley]

100. Yes, Robinson is an ultra MAGA, who was pissed at CK for criticizing Trump.

[ALBliberal]

81. Haven't had time to read through everything, but my question is

How long will this MAGA family put up with the slander not to mention the so-called roommate? I really do feel like it’s all bullshit.

[Crunchy Frog]

116. They'll probably put up with quite a lot,

as long as enables their son to avoid the death penalty.

[rzemanfl]

82. I wonder what the MAGATs promised him.

Or what they promised to keep quiet.

[Cha]

83. Prove IT, you Lying POS Cox. nt.

[Doodley]

99. He engraved the bullets with anti-gay and R/W fascist rhetoric, and he was a gun nut. Yet he had leftist ideology? BS!

[Skittles]

101. why are you so vested in this?

just curious

[Picaro]

105. This will turn out to be 100% false

Don’t buy it for a nanosecond

[MaineBlueBear]

106. Fair to say that he's been indoctrinated in far-right ideology

[taxi]

107. I have two dogs, first a Chihuahua and then a Yorkie.

You know how it is. It's just human nature to do what those around us do.
Fortunately, my urge is to drink out of a bowl on the floor and not shoot people.

[doc03]

108. Republicans will say anything and the MAGAS will run with it.

[MrWowWow]

109. No Matter the Shooter's Politics or Sexual Preference

It's good that charlie kirk is no longer around to poison any more minds. Good riddance!
.

.

.

[Wiz Imp]

112. Apparently the Governor's proof that the shooter was "deeply indoctrinated in leftist ideology"

was because he reportedly said he hated Charlie Kirk. So by the Utah Governor's logic, Nick Fuentes has been "deeply indoctrinated in leftist ideology".

[Crunchy Frog]

113. I'm guessing that the entire thing is a stack of lies.

The kid and his family are probably being heavily incentivized to go along with it.

When the entire investigatory apparatus consists of liars with an agenda, you really can't trust anything.