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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMy brief explainer on the legal issues arising from the Maduro arrest operation - Steve Vladeck (TikTok link)
https://www.tiktok.com/@steve_vladeck/video/7591259893084982559See also:
— Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2026-01-03T22:18:42.765Z
www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8y76n2B/
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,965 posts)Thank you Professor Vladeck. This was a great explanation of the legal issues
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,965 posts)Here is Professor Vladeck's analysis of this "arrest"
"If we hadnât already, weâve unquestionably joined the league of ordinary nationsâa league in which weâre acting as little more than a bully, and in circumstances in which no obvious principle of self-defense, human rights, or even humantarianism writ large justifies our bellicosity."
— Steve Vladeck (@stevevladeck.bsky.social) 2026-01-03T21:32:42.911Z
Me on Maduro:
https://www.stevevladeck.com/p/200-five-questions-about-the-maduro
The basis for that argument is the merger of two strands of legal arguments that have long been made by the Department of Justicebut never blessed by the Supreme Court. The first strand traces to a deeply controversial 1989 DOJ Office of Legal Counsel memorandum by then-Assistant Attorney General Bill Barr (yes, the same one), which concluded that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use the FBI for extraterritorial arrests, even in circumstances in which the arrests violate international law (e.g., by infringing upon a foreign nations sovereignty). The memo also concluded, quite usefully, that such arrests dont violate the Fourth Amendment. The second strand is DOJs longstanding view that the President has inherent constitutional authority to use military force to protect federal institutions and officers in the exercise of their federal duties. Thus, in a textbook example of the tail wagging the dog, the military force was merely the means by which President Trump protected the handful of FBI personnel who apparently were involved in the actual arrests.
Question #2: Okay, So Why Are Those Arguments Unpersuasive?
Without attempting to be exhaustive, it seems to me that there are at least three things to say about these arguments:
First, note how any reliance upon the Barr Memo is giving up the ghost on the (obvious) violations of Venezuelas sovereigntyand, thus, the U.N. Charter (to say nothing of myriad other international agreements and precepts of customary international law). Theres no attempt to even try to argue that this operation was consistent with international lawfor the obvious reason that it isnt. (There had been some suggestion earlier in the day that the Trump administration might try to identify Venezuelan officials who had invited the United States to breach Venezuelas sovereignty, but that hasnt gone anywhere.) Thus, unlike the boat strikes, which have all occurred in the legally grayer area of international waters, Friday nights operation involves a textbook violation of foreign sovereignty for which the Trump administrations principal response appears to be whatever.
Second, it is the epitome of bootstrapping to use the idea of unit self-defense as the basis for sending troops into a foreign country so that a handful of civilian law enforcement officers can exercise authority they wouldnt be able to exercise but for the military support. My friend and former State Department lawyer (and Cardozo law professor) Bec Ingber has written in detail about why the unit self-defense argument is effectively a slippery slope toward all-out war, and shes right. It seems just as important to point out that the U.S. constitutional law argument seems just as limitless. If Article II authorizes the use of military force whenever a foreign national living outside the United States has been indicted in a U.S. court, that could become a pretext for the United States to use military force almost anywherein circumstances that could easily (and quickly) escalate to full-fledged hostilities. Something tells me the Founders, who were deeply wary of military power, would not exactly see this as consistent with what they wroteat least until and unless Congress had done something to authorize, or even acquiesce in, these kinds of distinctly offensive military operations.
Third, and perhaps most importantly, the closest relevant historical precedent for this episodethe U.S. invasion of Panama in December 1989 (Operation Just Cause), which resulted in the deposing and arrest of Manuel Noriegais distinguishable in one critical respect: In the Panama example, the Panamaian general assembly had formally declared a state of war against the United States, and a U.S. Marine had been shot and killed, before President George H.W. Bush authorized the underlying operation. And even then, theres still nothing approaching consensus that Operation Just Cause was actually consistent with U.S. law; Congress passed no statute authorizing hostilities, and it was hard to see how the situation in Panama posed any kind of imminent threat to U.S. territory sufficient to trigger the Presidents Article II powersjust like the Trump administrations narco-trafficking claims seem difficult to reconcile with where fentanyl actually comes from (Mexico) or the Trump administrations own behavior (like pardoning former Honduran president-turned-cocaine-trafficker Juan Orlando Hernández). In other words, the only real precedent for what happened Friday night doesnt provide any legal support for the United States actions.
LetMyPeopleVote
(175,965 posts)All trump did was to "arrest" and remove Maduro. There was NO regime change. See https://democraticunderground.com/100220907148 and https://democraticunderground.com/100220907041 for Professor Vladeck's explanation. trump did not remove the current government and is NOT in control.
Trump claims the U.S. will run Venezuela. What's the plan?
— Voice4Justice (@voices4justice.bsky.social) 2026-01-03T20:57:57.418Z
The raid to nab Maduro was brilliantly executed. The aftermath could get extremely messy.
By @maxboot.bsky.social
archive.md/2026.01.03-2...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/01/03/trump-maduro-raid-military-venezuela/
Maduro was not a one-man band. He presided over a large apparatus of oppression, including, among others, the army, the national guard, the national police, the intelligence service, and a Colombian guerrilla group ELN. All of those forces remain intact after the U.S. raid. Also still in place are many of Maduros top lieutenants, including the ministers of defense and interior, who were implicated in his alleged crimes.
They give no sign of willingness to cede power to the democratic opposition led by María Corina Machado, who recently left the country to accept the Noble Peace Prize. Edmundo González, who was widely believed to have won the rigged 2024 presidential election, is also out of the country. On Saturday, Trump spoke dismissively about Machado and said Secretary of State Marco Rubio is talking with Maduros hand-picked vice president, Delcy Rodríguez.....
Like George W. Bush after the invasion of Iraq, Trump enjoyed his Mission Accomplished moment on Saturday. But if there is one thing we have learned over the past quarter-century, it is much easier to topple tyrants than to build stable and secure societies afterward. Historys ultimate verdict on Trumps military operation will be based on the fate of post-Maduro Venezuela, and the U.S., despite what Trump said about running the country, has only limited leverage to determine its fate.