Man dead after confrontation at clashing political rallies in Denver; TV station security guard arre
Source: New York Daily News
Full title: Man dead after confrontation at clashing political rallies in Denver; TV station security guard arrested
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Police have since taken a man, identified as a private security guard for Denver TV station KUSA, into custody. The alleged shooter fired his weapon at the other man after he sprayed mace at him, the Denver Post reported.
The man who sprayed the mace was participating in the right-wing protest, described as a Patriot Rally, according to the Denver Post.
The left-wing rally, meanwhile, was called the BLM-Antifa Soup Drive." Police have said the suspect has no affiliation with Antifa."
(WARNING: PHOTO CONTAINS GRAPHIC CONTENT)
Read more: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-denver-shooting-rally-clash-20201010-gmgpsi7ebjcktg32ewakcwgbj4-story.html
TIRED OF THE CONSTANT VIOLENT DIVISIONS INCITED BY THE MURDERER-IN-CHIEF!
LOCK.HIM.UP
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)registered republicans approve of killing us, we just have to wrap our heads around that.
Or more accurately, ALL trump supporters, maybe there are decent repubs left, not sure.
Bongo Prophet
(2,643 posts)Looks like the deceased was picking fights, slapped the security guard, and it kept escalating.
https://democraticunderground.com/100214264613
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)And why would any patriotic American support a Russian stooge? But nowadays domestic terrorists are calling themselves patriots.
llashram
(6,265 posts)even at the moment? Try to stop the coup. That's it for me. The RW forces have made it clear they don't care about human costs in life and disruption when their only goal ever was to get rich and parrot the Party line. Pandemic be damned.
Bongo Prophet
(2,643 posts)This is what she wrote on a tea party website,
My son Lee was at the patriot rally today in Denver, she wrote on Northeast Arkansas Tea Party Group page. After the rally a person on the BLM and Antifa side went up to him said a few nasty words then shot him in the head. He was murdered because he backed the police. His 24 year old son was with him.
Yeah, it didn't go down like that at all. Videos and pictures tell a far different narrative. But the tea party folks will tell the tales that make them out to be victims of the "BLM/Antifa" while going out to instigate violence. Truth as a casualty of war.
Lock him up.
(6,925 posts)MizLibby
(289 posts)forgotmylogin
(7,524 posts)You spray someone with your weapon, they're gonna spray you with theirs.
I'm not advocating for the death of anyone, but attacking someone who has a gun leveled at you with a non-lethal weapon is utterly stupid decision-making.
Bongo Prophet
(2,643 posts)If you watch the video in the other thread I linked to, it happened pretty fast, just after dead guy left one argument (with "Black Guns Matter" guy) and walked over to some other people, security guy in the lead. He must've smacked him immediately after, at which point Security guy likely backed off a few steps and pulled his weapon.
Soon-to-be dead guy, who already had mace in hand from the beginning, then sprayed.
The photo shows the spray had lasted for at least a second or two before the shot. The photo with the gun up is actually a split-second time of the shot, as you can see the bullet casing in the air a few inches from the pistol.
Tragic escalation. Bad decisions by both. Excellent photojournalist work by Denver Post photographer Helen Richardson.
You can piece together the timeline with photos here.
https://www.denverpost.com/2020/10/10/dueling-denver-rallies-fatal-shooting-photos/
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)Clear self-defense. No reason whatever to even arrest him....
Bongo Prophet
(2,643 posts)I don't know the laws of Colorado, nor what a jury might say if it comes to that.
Just trying to observe the timeline of events and share them honestly.
There are a few contradicting versions of what happened, so I did some quick searching.
It is my opinion better to back away from a slap like that, rather than shoot to kill. But he was a hired guard, so it is more complicated, and I don't come here to argue opinions. Plenty of that around.
Hence why I didn't emphasize any opinion, (until now!) as everyone will have those. Better to share any hard info, and leave opining to others.
Sir.
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)OMG, with all the warnings about graphic images I expected to see blood ands brain matter splattered everywhere. Imagine my relief when it was just a prostate "patriot" with his beer belly rolling off to one side.
Come to think of it, that is pretty horrific and hard to unsee.
Bongo Prophet
(2,643 posts)The mace shouldn't have a lasting effect, but the ptsd of killing someone at close range might be rough.
Yeehah
(4,575 posts)Just some asshole charged with 1st degree murder.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)That he was hired as security by a local television station. If that is now in question or shown untrue, it alters the matte somewhat, but not conclusively to my mind. He was struck, and maced, and defended himself.
Yeehah
(4,575 posts)although the individual was not licensed to perform that job in the City of Denver. Pinkerton said he was hired through a contractor. Watch Pinkerton get their ass sued off for this. Getting maced and hit with a fist is not justification for deadly force. Sorry.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)I see nothing at all objectionable in the man's actions, and would vote to acquit if on a jury.
Yeehah
(4,575 posts)so the shooting was unjustified. And no, the use of pepper spray does not "generally" excuse the use of deadly force.
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)"Rest assured a walk through the ocean of most souls would scarcely wet your feet."
Yeehah
(4,575 posts)How entirely predictable.
Happy Hoosier
(7,277 posts)With all due respect, the "guard," whether licensed or no idea if the mace was the first part of a more serious and potentially deadly assault. It depends upon the state laws, but in many states, lethal force can be used in self-defense even if it is not clear that the assault is deadly. In Colorado, force in self-defense can be used to prevent imminent harm to self, and can include deadly force. The "defender" cannot be the aggressor. I doubt a prosecution would be successful in this case.
generalbetrayus
(507 posts)noneof_theabove
(410 posts)antifa is a an organization but a concept like your gawd.
quote from article "no affiliation with Antifa."
niyad
(113,235 posts)Like both protest groups were involved. And tried to connect the guard to a tufa. I did not realize that DP had gone so far downhill.
Dr. Strange
(25,919 posts)Okay, whacky twist: he wasn't licensed to carry a gun. He's currently being held for first degree murder.
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/10/11/matthew-dolloff-denver-security-guard/
The Magistrate
(95,244 posts)No license needed in the state, but license required in the city. It would be interesting to learn if was a city resident or not.
The charge does not impress me much, although he well serve life for the action. Police and their pet prosecutors can be relied to press matters hard in defense of their vigilante buddies.