McConnell seeks to delay Trump impeachment trial until February
Source: Washington Post
Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) is proposing to delay the start of former president Donald Trumps impeachment trial until February, according to three Republican officials familiar with his views.
McConnell laid out his thinking in a conference call with other Senate Republicans earlier Thursday. The minority leader says he wants to do so to give lawyers for the former president, who was impeached by the House Jan. 13 on a charge of inciting an insurrection, time to prepare.
The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss private conversations.
The structure of the impeachment trial is one of several issues that McConnell has to work out with new Senate Majority Leader Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.).
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2021/01/21/joe-biden-live-updates/#link-Z4ZFP75QHRBK3IVFILQVOPG62Q
Turtle - you have no power. WE will set the schedule. Schumer should get all "NY" on his KY ass.
rzemanfl
(31,353 posts)Let them show themselves and ask for more time, not hide behind a turtle.
Also, on edit, "KY ass" may not be the best choice of words.
leftieNanner
(16,159 posts)From South Carolina. One of Lindsey's friends?
rzemanfl
(31,353 posts)bdamomma
(69,526 posts)McConnell you should no say in this. McConnell what is your shady plan???
rzemanfl
(31,353 posts)James48
(5,199 posts)To say KY ass.
In fact, Im gonna write that down for use later, thanks.
True Dough
(26,594 posts)I want piles and piles of indictments to drop on Donny ASAP!
Rural_Progressive
(1,107 posts)No pension, no health care, no travel allowance and no secret service protection for him or his spawn.
I am excited!!
Beachnutt
(8,900 posts)Rollo
(2,559 posts)still_one
(98,883 posts)cabinet positions filled along with starting the stimulus legislation
question everything
(52,102 posts)SWBTATTReg
(26,252 posts)than worrying about rump and crooked associates. Let the SDNY start...let the other lawsuits on limbo start up again...
Biden can go after trump and associates if they deliberately imperiled American lives with their delaying tactics, scams for money, other criminal acts.
MiniMe
(21,883 posts)It is the house and Senate now.
SWBTATTReg
(26,252 posts)multi-task.
FBaggins
(28,705 posts)A new President needs quite a bit from the Senate. He absolutely cares what they focus their time on while he's trying to get his cabinet in place - as well as "first 100 days" legislative priorities.
IsItJustMe
(7,012 posts)with this Authoritarian ass-wipe. Biden will let Schumer handle it. Biden is not going to step on the
the toes of the Senate or the House leadership, because unlike his predecessor, he has institutional
respect for those bodies of gov't.
Midnightwalk
(3,131 posts)February 1st is the Monday after next. Im not all that stressed about the trial not being next week.
I do agree that what McConnell doesnt matter.
Thekaspervote
(35,820 posts)BumRushDaShow
(169,397 posts)which would help to determine when (and probably how much) to send over.
I.e., if the Senate decides, like they did the last time, to ramrod it through without witnesses, then that requires one set of strategies and case development. But if there will be time allotted for witnesses, then that will require a different set of strategies that would obviously include getting subpoenas, etc. I expect in either case, they want to get the biggest bang for their buck.
groundloop
(13,821 posts)Moscow Mitch is acting like it hasn't sunk into his thick turtle scull yet that he's not in charge anymore.
BumRushDaShow
(169,397 posts)Time for him to sit down and shut up.
Vinca
(53,948 posts)Although, of course, by February Trump might be involved in other legal battles with numerous authorities.
if..fish..had..wings
(880 posts)Do not let him dictate ANYTHING
modrepub
(4,098 posts)From letting out he thinks the Democrats have an impeachment case to suddenly, oh snap, my Republican colleagues are going to kick me out of their club house. That took like what, 5 days?!?
Oh, I'd love for the Republicans to give him the heave ho! Imagine this old goat not even being the "Minority Leader" if the Senate Trump faction decides to remove him! He can't even retire because he'd be replaced by a Democratic Governor. He'll have to sit around and just be a Senator. No big office, no privileges, no interviews.
Poor b--tard. I almost feel sorry for him (NOT).
bucolic_frolic
(55,049 posts)Harker
(17,768 posts)He moves like one when it suits his ends.
Nudge him aside and move forward.
aggiesal
(10,773 posts)
Harker
(17,768 posts)aggiesal
(10,773 posts)There are better images, but I couldn't use them because they were not .jpg or .png.
There are some from different angles that are simply jaw droppingly accurate.
Really funny.
roamer65
(37,945 posts)An exact match.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,680 posts)He couldn't possibly be talking out both sides of his mouth could he? Rhetorical question.
Because you'd think if he really did, he want to get it over and done with sooner rather than later.
AntiFascist
(13,751 posts)maybe Trump is the only lifeboat they have left.
Joinfortmill
(21,100 posts)Botany
(77,273 posts).... Trump's impeachment trial or Kavanaugh's hearings?

SeattleVet
(5,898 posts)FBaggins
(28,705 posts)Which would almost be March.
stillcool
(34,407 posts)and she said the earliest would be the beginning of February. Sit the eff down Mitch.
apnu
(8,790 posts)Since House Dems have to provide a prosecution team, the defense should come from the House as well. There's no shortage of sycophantic Republicans willing to do the job there. Maybe Gun Barbie and Q Barbie can do it?
TryLogic
(2,291 posts)MelissaB
(16,595 posts)KayF
(1,345 posts)"Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell..."
thank you Stacey Abrams.
DENVERPOPS
(13,003 posts)Like until 2025??????????
Screw him and all the Rest of the RepubliCONs in the House and Senate.......
Let's have Biden give a nationalized press conference every night on the Virus like Trump did.
Two sentences about the virus and then the rest of the hour political........
Then watch the hypocritical RepubliCONs complain about THAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FBaggins
(28,705 posts)He certainly doesn't have the near-fiat power over the Senate that he once had, but one look at the things Democrats were able to do from a much smaller minority position is just a taste of what he can do with 50 votes.
A look at the last time the senate was 50/50 is educational.
BumRushDaShow
(169,397 posts)He doesn't control the schedule, Schumer does. His caucus, including the rotting piece of garbage known as Lindsey Graham, is no longer has control of the Judiciary Committee, and thus CANNOT manipulate it to instead start investigating Hunter Biden as was his intention had people in GA not crawled over glass and through the fog of COVID-19, to elect Warnock and Ossoff.
And yes I remember the days of Tom Daschle and the Majority Leader/Minority Leader dance - but mainly because you had one Jim Jeffords switch parties in our favor when Shrub was President, negating Cheney's ability to "break a tie" and determine the tilt (and that was after Dems took over the Majority Leader briefly when Gore was still VP before Shrub was sworn in). Daschle was eventually run out of town.
Once Turtle took over in 2014, there was little that could be done by us, to the point where one of his first shots across the bow was to deny Merrick Garland's confirmation hearings for a full 9 months right to the end of that Congressional session, leaving Garland's nomination dead in the water, and leading the way to his packing the courts once 45 was elected, with the help of his ditching the time-honored use of the Senate "Blue Slips".
We were screwn, as DUers say, and we need to make sure he will be this go-around.
FBaggins
(28,705 posts)or "he no longer controls the Judiciary Committee"
and "he has no power"
Schumer exercised quite a bit of power over the last four years with 47. Turtle has dramatically more with 50.
BumRushDaShow
(169,397 posts)unfortunately got steam-rolled for the last 4 years because Turtle broke the Senate's "Regular order" and spent much of the time shoving judges into the courts. The irony being that a bunch of them ended up torpedoing Ghouliani and "kraken" lawsuits.
The immediate passage of the tax-cuts for the wealthy (including the reduction of the corporate income tax that even Raygun was unable to get) as well as the longest government shutdown in history in 2019/2020, justifies moving Turtle to the dustbin of history.
If it weren't for taking the House in 2018, we would have truly been "screwn", but even with that, hundreds of bills sent from the House were promptly ditched by him and never saw the light of day. He will no longer have "the power" to refuse to send House bills to a committee for hearings, draft markups, debate etc., nor to bring them to the floor.
THAT is a "power" that represents the CORE of what Senate is supposed to do - LEGISLATE.
This is a country that supposedly operates under the "rule of law" and he will no longer have the power to refuse to have the Senate do it's damn job.
Partisan divide and Senates focus on confirmations among factors cited
By Michael Teitelbaum
Posted January 22, 2020 at 6:31am
It would stand to reason that representatives and senators, dissuaded by the gridlock in Congress, would hesitate to introduce legislation. After all, only 105 laws were enacted during 2019, a poor showing by historical standards. But thats not what happened last year. In fact, lawmakers are on a pace to introduce more bills and joint resolutions than they have since the 1970s, when Congresses routinely saw 20,000 or more introduced.
In 2019, they introduced 8,820 bills and joint resolutions, 23 percent more than they did in 2017, the first year of the prior Congress. About 2 in 3 of the measures introduced in 2019 were in the House, an indication perhaps of a pent-up desire among Democrats now in the majority to put forward ideas that the previous GOP majority had bottled up. Outside congressional experts also highlighted the fact that there was a large cadre of freshmen eager to make their marks.
Freshman representatives and senators introduced just under 1,000 bills and joint resolutions, about 11 percent of the total. Of course, the 98 freshmen in this Congress (nine senators and 89 representatives) make up almost one-fifth of the total number of lawmakers.In 2017, freshmen introduced 434 measures, or about 6 percent of the total that year.
Still, the total of 105 laws enacted is among the lowest in this millennium, exceeding only the 72 new laws of 2013 and 81 of 2011. Given the large number of bills introduced, this Congress is on track to enact a lower percentage of bills than any in modern times.
https://www.rollcall.com/2020/01/22/congress-saw-more-bills-introduced-in-2019-than-it-has-in-40-years-but-few-passed/
And the one thing that Democrats DO have as a "bonus" is a man in the WH who predated every single current sitting Senator when he served in the Senate for 35 years, and he knows "where the bodies are buried".
FBaggins
(28,705 posts)There are well over a thousand Senate-confirmable positions. Lots of them remained unfilled (or filled with "acting" ) - and, while Turtle was painfully effective at filling the top judicial slots (SCOTUS and the appellate courts), there were also plenty of unfilled federal district slots. This is because Senate Democrats used the process to "gum up the works" and slow down confirmations. That could never stop a nomination that was critical to the administration... but each time they prioritized one confirmation - there was another that had to be sacrificed. He can easily do the same thing
Even more significant is the frequent misunderstanding on how much power the Senate majority leader wields. We see him decide to not allow legislation to even come forward for consideration and associate that as power concentrated in one person. But that isn't true. There's nothing that gives him fiat power. The power is actually held by any group of 51 votes. It was just exercised by McConnel because there were 53 procedural votes behind almost every decision that he made. The problem here is that Schumer only has 51 if the VP is in the building. Any procedural decision that Schumer makes can be forced to a vote and, if Harris isn't there, rejected.
Lastly, there is the Joe Manchin problem. McConnell was always potentially in danger of losing on a given issue if three Republicans disagreed (usually including Collins and Murkowski). That wasn't much of a threat because there wasn't much danger of losing three votes. But Schumer's power is threatened by any single dissenting Democrat - and Joe Manchin is much closer to the imaginary center line than either Collins or Murkowski was.
In short - the world is much better off after the GA runoffs. But it was never true that Schumer "had no power" for the last few years with 47 votes behind him. It certainly isn't true that "Turtle has no power" with 50.
BumRushDaShow
(169,397 posts)Oh I have because I have been one who continually posted this about Obama in response to the DU angst as much of this was going on. For example here is the reproduction of my post Tue Aug 28, 2018, 05:15 PM -
https://democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=11064525
Harry Reid did this sort of thing in the past too but just note that although it sounds like they are ramming through
millions of judges and Obama did nothing, this is not the case.
Just as a comparison - from an article in 2014 during his 2nd term -(...)
Finally, after years of threatening, Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) went on the Senate floor in November 2013 and invoked the nuclear option, changing the Senate rules to eliminate the filibuster for executive branch and judicial nominees (other than those for the Supreme Court).
A year later, the effect of that change is clear: The 113th Congress confirmed 132 district and circuit court judges, including 89 this year. Thats the highest single-year total in 20 years, and the highest two-year total since 1980. (Thats particularly impressive considering that this Congress was one of the least productive in history.) On Tuesday night alone, the Senate confirmed 12 nominees. All this means that the once-lagging Obama has now appointed more judges in his first six years (305) than Reagan, Bill Clinton or George W. Bush. And because Obama has gone out of his way to nominate judges from a wide array of backgrounds, the federal bench is more diverse than ever. All in all, its an extraordinary turnaround, one that both Obama and Reid deserve credit for.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2014/12/19/the-nuclear-option-transforms-obamas-judicial-legacy/
And his final legacy after 8 years from an article from January 2017 -POLITICS 01/12/2017 07:00 am ET Updated Jan 12, 2017
How Barack Obama Transformed The Nations Courts
He filled two SCOTUS seats and made the judiciary more diverse than ever. But the GOP stopped him from doing more.
By Jennifer Bendery
WASHINGTON ― Republicans cannot wait to begin dismantling President Barack Obamas accomplishments, but theres one thing they cant undo, even with full control of Congress and the White House: his judicial legacy.
Obama will leave office with 329 of his judicial nominees confirmed to lifetime posts on federal courts. That includes two U.S. Supreme Court justices and four judges on the D.C. Circuit Court of Appeals, the two most powerful courts in the nation. Because of Obama, Democratic appointees now have a 7-4 advantage on the D.C. panel, and those judges will play a major role in deciding cases during the Trump administration related to environmental regulations, health care, national security, consumer protections and challenges to executive orders.
Obama also tilted the partisan makeup of circuit courts. Nine of the countrys 13 appeals courts now have majority Democratic appointees, compared with just one when he took office in 2009.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/barack-obama-judicial-legacy_us_586c1944e4b0de3a08f9eb1f
So although there will be some natural turnover and there were still vacancies out there (because some of these courts have dozens of judge "slots" available because they include senior and emeritus judges who can fill in if necessary), there is still a big imprint out there from the Democratic side, which is why you have seen the rulings you have seen (and that's not including the GOP appointees who have ruled against the ridiculousness of the current administration).
Here is the current confirmation list (53 as of today) - http://www.uscourts.gov/judges-judgeships/judicial-vacancies/confirmation-listing
My argument has been that by having Majority Leader and Chairs of all of the Committees, means the Minority, other than failing to show up, cannot stop the flow of legislation to the committees and refuse to have it considered, which is what has been experienced much of the last 4 years.
In essence, Turtle ditched the idea of "Regular Order". The hope is that Schumer will bring that back.
There are many obscure procedural tools available - most encoded in Riddick's Rules... and a Leader like Harry Reid, was a master at using them. And the hope is that Schumer keeps in touch with Reid, IMHO.
And yes, Manchin has positioned himself as the Lieberman and Max Baucus of progress, wielding a mace unless they are afforded attention. But it might behoove that Manchin is reminded of his predecessors Byrd and Rockefeller, and how they managed to stay in office for years, and that is if similar "earmarks" are available to give him "for the benefit of the state of WV", then so be it. It is politics.
If anything, Biden came from the center-right of the party and has remarkably and gratefully been molded to represent the left and center-left in terms of priorities. However he still has deep roots in that Senate and I think that "problem solvers caucus" - apparently headed up on the Senate side by a fellow Delawarean Chris Coons - might have more prominence the next couple years.
DemoTex
(26,354 posts)DO THE OPPOSITE!
pecosbob
(8,380 posts)and this conversation becomes moot.
Turbineguy
(40,040 posts)they can work on Covid 19 first.
Every day over the next few weeks will expose more malfeasance and crookedness from trump. If I were trump I'd want the trial held tonight, before they find out more stuff.
paleotn
(22,181 posts)thucythucy
(9,096 posts)we kill the filibuster in exchange?
Two week delay on impeachment but everything in the Senate for the next two years is a straight up and down 50 + 1 vote decision?
orangecrush
(30,169 posts)To do what is best.
Their lives hung in the balance 2 weeks ago.