Why is winetourdriver01 flagged for review"? I enjoyed seeing what he posted, It was interesting and

[debm55]

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differest. I thought something happened to him and it said flagged for review---whatever that means.

I edited my post and added 01 to the end.

[GP6971]

1. Has five hides in 90 days.

So FFR.

[GP6971]

3. FFR is Flagged For Review

Which means they've had 5 of their posts hidden by juries in the last 90 days. They're not banned, but can no longer post.

They can appeal their FFR status to the Admins.

[progree]

29. ⭐️⭐️⭐️ It's winetourdriver01 ⭐️⭐️⭐️ that is FFR, not winetourdriver.

winetourdriver01 (FFR) https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=340527
5 posts hidden in 90 days


winetourdriver (Active) https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=281259
0 posts hidden in 90 days


I attached my post here with the attention-getting stars so it would be high up in the thread because a lot of people seem to be confusing the two.

Editing to add - a person's last post, which appears on their profile, is not necessarily the one that got a hide. It takes time for an alerter to alert on a "bad" post and for a jury to vote to hide it -- in the meantime the poster could have made several more posts that might all be completely fine, including the last post made. I think there's confusion on that in this thread too.

[Deuxcents]

4. I love his posts w/ the 1900's era of lamps, jewelry, clocks.

Why would he be flagged?

[yellowdogintexas]

5. I love his posts too! All those photos of Art Deco

and Art Nouveau items are so beautiful!
I hope the committee lets him post again.

Who would hide that wonderful art?

[northoftheborder]

7. I don't understand this either. I love the beautiful photos he posts..

Explanation needed.

[emulatorloo]

10. See GP6971's first post, that is the reason. Winetourdriver can appeal the decision if they want to

They explained DU’s rules about hides. That is in DU’s Terms of Service.

Winetourdriver can go to the admins and ask them to investigate and reverse the decision.

I have appealed a few hides where the alerter seemed to misunderstand me. So I appealed the jury decisions, admins investigated and agreed to un-do the posts.


More info here:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

[we can do it]

32. Appeals never work. I've had a couple posts hidden for nitpicky things in response to horrible posts

[sl8]

34. I've had 2 appeals approved.

I appealed 3 or 4 hidden posts and 2 were reinstated.

[grumpyduck]

8. Yes, we need an explanation.

I don't know the details, but if people hid him because they didn't like the subject matter (mostly art), admins need to look into it.

[Deuxcents]

9. Yes, please. An explanation. I just went back n looked at his post

Is there a vindictive or upset person not appreciating his art pictures? I just can’t think of anything.

[Jacoby365]

11. Winetourdriver's posts were a real treat.

I think an explanation for FFR is needed.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

12. Flagged for Review is done by the Administrators, NOT by ordinary DUers.

Most likely EarlG implemented this FFR. Again, FFR is done by the administrators!

Anyone with 5 posts hidden over a span of weeks will be FFR'd.

Them's the rules, folks.

I hope he is allowed to return as well.

Read Post #10 by emulatorloo. You'll find a complete explanation of FFR there.

[debm55]

13. It was the copyright rule on posting , correct? Did he know that. I have seen pictures here with no

copyright. But isn't there a period where the copyright runs out and it is in the public domain?

[CaliforniaPeggy]

16. I actually don't know. No idea if the copyright rule was the problem. Sorry! nt

[progree]

26. I've read that 5 posts removed is an AUTOMATIC FFR done by the software

The admins are notified and then take whatever action or inaction they choose.

Edited to add: This doesn't contradict anything gp6971 has posted above, although gp6971 doesn't specify exactly that its an automatic software thing.

GP6971 in post#3

FFR is Flagged For Review Which means they've had 5 of their posts hidden by juries in the last 90 days.

[mopinko]

38. ffr is automatic.

copyright violations dont count. 5 hides and the system freezes your account.

earlg does sometimes reinstate ppl.

[Silent Type]

14. Believe it all starts with someone alerting on a post and a jury convicting

by majority vote. At least that’s how it works, or doesn’t work well, on most sites.

[northoftheborder]

15. I read all the rules.

I don’t see anything prohibiting art.. it’s not “political” but neither are other topics such as movies and cooking or nature photographs..

[mopinko]

39. copyright violations generally dont count the same as others.

but if someone makes a big habit of it, that might get them in trouble.

[Raine]

18. I loved the beautiful pictures he posted, very sad that

he can't post any longer.

[judesedit]

19. I like them, too. The posts that bother me are the ones that are posted multiple timees

one after the other. Honestly, i don't open them when that's the case.

[Brother Buzz]

20. winetourdriver hasn't posted since 2016 and is not FFR. Are you thinking of someone else?

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=281259

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[highplainsdem]

21. They're talking about winetourdriver01.

[Brother Buzz]

22. Ah, I'm late to the party......again. Thanks for the clarification

[NBachers]

23. This is unfortunate - His dazzling pictures led me to a world I never would have seen otherwise.

I've always had a special appreciation for the 19th and early 20th century designs he posted.

Here's my message to Ask the Administrators:

Please open this link on winetourdriver's flag for review. It seems that a significant number of DU'ers look forward to winetourdriver's posts, and would like to see this member's posts continue. I'm writing this in support of winetourdriver.

https://democraticunderground.com/10181793204

[progree]

25. It's winetourdriver01, not winetourdriver that is in trouble with the law

winetourdriver01 (FFR) https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=340527

winetourdriver (Active) https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=281259

By the way for anyone reading this -- several messages in this thread easily violate the Terms of Service re: Forum Moderation.

From the Terms of Service link at the bottom of every DU page for a reason
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=termsofservice

Don't interfere with forum moderation
Don't post messages about site rules, enforcement, juries, hosts, administration, alerts, alerters, removed posts, appeals, locked threads, or anything else related to how this website is moderated (except in the Ask the Administrators forum).
Why we have this rule: The purpose of Democratic Underground is to discuss politics, issues, and current events. Open discussion of how the website is run tends to distract from our core purpose.

Yup, even posting the rules is technically in violation.

[intheflow]

24. This thread is why everyone should take a turn at moderating.

You have no idea what’s going on behind the scenes. Not saying this is true of winetourdriver, but I’ve seen things while moderating like seemingly sane posters who send threatening dms to other members, trolls building up post counts by posting benign content to give their accounts cred before spreading RW talking points, and so many sock puppet accounts. It could just be a misunderstanding, but in my experience, FFR is usually justified.

tl;dr: MAGAts can also love antiques.

[hlthe2b]

30. Just to be clear, you mean MIRT participation. We haven't had moderators since DU1-2.

Admins, yes. Hosts in the small independent groups and with limited authority in the main forums, yes. And MIRT only has authority over those with less than 100 posts. Yes, the new posters are where (most) intentional trolling starts but does not end. Admins and juries (and hosts in the small independent groups) have the principal role for the rest.

What typically gets non-troll newbies is a passionate argument, since they can have multiple hides in a single thread in the heat of the moment. I think FFR (flagged for review) is designed to look at those cases rather than immediately result in a permanent ban (PPR).

While this very thread is likely to be locked for reasons related to interference with the system, and I remember the free-for-all "hellscape" that frequented the time when we had a forum dedicated to such discussion (Meta), I wish we could find a middle ground to ask about suddenly "missing" members that might have been the subject/victim of collective misunderstanding--however rare that really is.

[intheflow]

37. Yes, MIRT.

It’s a different kind of moderating than the free for all days, but it’s still a form of moderating. It still gives one a taste of what DU can look like behind the scenes. I admit that my eyebrows raised over this particular poster due to their frequent flood of one-image posts with no commentary, though of course, they could just have poor nettiquette skills. But it doesn’t surprise me to learn they are FFR’d. And, yeah, a mechanism to ask these questions without them devolving into acrimony would be great if we could just figure out how to do it.

[Ptah]

31. winetourdriver01 had more than 250 posts in General Discussion in the last month.

No telling which of those were hidden by jury.

[we can do it]

33. Most were super cool art deco items.

[Ptah]

35. Not in General Discussion.

[we can do it]

36. Ah ok, my bad.

[Yonnie3]

46. Locking after an alert and discussion by the hosts

Our social forum. Relax with your friends and talk about off-topic stuff. The Lounge is supposed to be a friendly, welcoming place for everyone. No cliquish behavior. No drama. No political arguments. No whining about DU.