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Need a catch-all thread: Repuke party has forfeited *ALL* of their claimed principles

They can NOT preach about:

* patriotism.
* the military
* small government.
* economic integrity
* democracy
* law and order
* "life"
* family values
* ethics


*****Tell me more.






Ha! LIMBAUGH takes iddy-biddy blame/credit for unleashing "partisanship" on the country!1

I stopped close monitoring him in the Opposition Research mode years ago. I was in the intense phase during my working years since my employer allowed radio, starting from when he went syndicated nationwide until I retired, thereafter only catching random snippets sporadically on errands in the car. (Also stopped Tweety several years ago and Joe SCABS definitely in 2012. I remember SCABS' early days when he went 30 straight work days excoriating PELOSI and when he would verbally and emotionally abuse Mika Mouse before she chose her solution of divorcing her husband and marrying him to make it stop - although recently signs of relapsing. But those are other stories. )

So today LIMBOsevic was on about how lamentable it is that the country is swamped with divisive partisanship. Yes, he was saying that.

Almost immediately, he mitigated this by saying that he his own self takes blame for (much/all) of this, here moving on from blame to credit since he said it had to be done by whatever wingnut because the media had officially, at that time, become a voice for Dems/Libs and no real reporting was happening, or rather that reporting certain things(?) was not happening.

And, yes, in my past summing him up I have said that he, single-handedly, resusitated the Wingnut movement that had been discredited first from the McCARTHY era and last gasp with the John Birch Society. And he laid in Roman concrete the Scorched Earth paradigm of never compromising on anything at all, no matter how little. GINGRICH became the official face but LIMBOsevic was the power.

What I've always liked is when he recites what his opposition (us/Dems/Libs) say about him and all wingnuts - he summarizes who wingnuts are better than we do, starts by saying what "they say about us - that we're racists, homophobes, haters, greedy, ... " on and on, spouting all the things Deplorable-him and his, are.

Also funny is how he has insulted his listening audience constantly all his years, when he says, "With half my brain tied behind my back just to make it fair." His fans don't get that he only needs half his brain to appeal to them.

********ON EDIT, Note: I now see, after the posts on ATWATER's deathbed remorse,
that it was misleading when I said he/LIMBOsevic said it was "lamentable ... divisive partisanship". I should have said that he was being arch, pleading wingnut victimhood how us mean Libs don't capitulate to them, crying crocodile tears, etc. In *NO* way of words or tone was he expressing any kind of remorse, and as I did say he immediately shifted to taking *CREDIT* for the partisanship. Since ATWATER became a reference point I will say for me that I don't care that ATWATER repented and apologized and asked for forgiveness because it is almost never enough to make up for extreme harm done. Just as there are stages of grief, there are stages or cycles that perpetrators go through: 1- Bliss, 2- mounting dissatisfaction (increasing emotional, verbal abuse), 3-Explosion (physical abuse), 4- "remorse" (apologies, weeping, promises), 5- Bliss (when the sucker/true-victim forgives) ------and back through the cycle again. Apologies are worthless. And LIMBOsevic never has, never will. I've heard him in many episodes of self-pity - about the drugs, about possibly being frog-marched over the drugs, about how all the millions he has raised for charity have not brought him acceptance from us mean Libs, about being deaf, about the cancer - but have never heard him apologize for anything. When he admits to something like the "partisanship," he is *bragging* about it.

My original Deep Thought tonight:










Remember his persecution hearings of Hillary? He's the Grand Inquisitor

"Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!"







********QUOTE****

The Inquisition, what a show
The Inquisition, here we go
We know you're wishing
That we'd go away
But the Inquisition's here and it's here to stay

*******UNQUOTE**********






Isn't Turtle obstruction enough? Can our own coalition groups let our own President have some leeway

Not only for the current UNpresident and his regime, but for past administrations, it has been at least lip service that a president is entitled to his or her choice of appointees, even how Repukes have pushed forward unsavory (up to the line of criminality) characters, or especially placing characters (as in almost all Repuke regimes) whose personal philosophy is antithetical to the mission of the position (hostile to conservation at the Interior Department, hostile to diplomacy at State or the UN).

Turtle has been blatant about shoveling Deplorables into the judiciary and other inappropriate agencies, while also blocking Dem nominees. And he has been shameless in adhering to that lip service about Repukes having the right to their choices.

But these days when we have our own President-Elect assembling his team the news is crammed with buzz from this or that sub-group of our own coalition demanding almost-quota slots from their own own sub-group or threats if one of their perceived enemies is being considered for some position.

In the names that have been solidly named so far we already have the most diverse team ever. If this or that name coming down the pipeline is not the first or first-hundred preference to one or another of our constituent groups, can't we as the coalition of the whole take a step back from the one tree to take in the forest?






Been said forever that Dems/Libs look inside for root causes, wingnuts look outside blaming others.

MAHER and others are demonized here for hosting (some) wingnuts, but I've never seen him *agree* with them. I don't watch him much, only by YouTube clips, this only recently, so before I get gigged about this, no I don't have extensive exposure to him. Granted, he's at the Libertarian edge of us. But he goes toe to toe with the wingnut guests and fairly much faces them down.

I don't "discuss" with wingnuts. I attack them out of hand. Yet I claim one of my core values to be freedom of thought. I know that converting others to my/our side, away from their own ingrained beliefs, is mostly impossible. I also regard most who are in the way-Middle or Third-way as being wishy-washy, namby-pamby and sometimes even collaborating with The Enemy.

I saw the MAHER clip the morning after on YouTube, and as usual I expected and got from it somewhat uncomfortable truth, that sensation of admitting to myself that I agree with something outside of my "acceptable" thinking.

I'm a blue collar veteran type, yet am a 3rd generation Democratic Party individual. I check off all the boxes of the Democratic general agenda: Civil rights, civil liberties, social justice, stewardship of the planet.

I'm also a mass or mess of contradictions. I have differed with my Dem/Lib boomer generation. If I get specific, the flaming will ensue here. That's the point about MAHER (and others sort of like him), that we (not him) in our own party know we have to tippy-toe about some things.

I don't believe that those who claim to be "true" Democrats, yet spend more time attacking fellow DU members than they do wingnuts, are deep thinkers or living up to their claims of ideological purity.

****** ON EDIT: And kudos to the O.P. for bravery in hosting a successful discussion on MAHER.



My letter to the editor - and to GD?

Questions continue about Donald Trump: What if he never concedes? What if he refuses to leave? What if he goes berserk with Executive Orders, Pardons himself, or unleashes the Proud Boys?

The answer is: It doesn’t matter. His choices are to find some grace or sulk his way out or be frogmarched out, it’s up to him.

Whatever part of the country has moved on. No individual or group can stop the moving on of any kind.

We are free to go back to our daily lives without the dread of what the tweet at dawn was or keep adding to the list of his latest outrageous publicity stunts. It doesn’t matter, but actually never mattered.

If it comes down to the frogmarch, no big deal. It will just be his last stunt and we can rubberneck it briefly and immediately move on past it.

This is not gloating or mean spiritedness and there’s no expectation that his followers will move on constructively. Even if they choose to wreak havoc, it might be suspected that they will have their own secret relief.

***** ON EDIT, thanks to DUer TigressDem. For avatar, delete space after https------- https ://i.postimg.cc/68jGcfVg/Bumper10.jpg


Bigger, delete space after https-------- https ://i.postimg.cc/rwKrV1p0/Bumper8.jpg








Me, too - or rather, did away with the Distress flag. I was going to wait for the Inaugural, but

this is close enough even if SHITLER goes berserk, in which case he will be frogmarched!


Also changed my Signature line to: The Democratic agenda: Civil Rights, civil liberties, social justice, stewardship of the planet. No personality is above it.

From: The *autocrat* type: BERLUSCONI/DRUMPF/PUTIN. BELIEVE him (threats/bluster/”jokes”). Ignore little signs of normality. Institutions won’t save you, he doesn’t observe norms.

But am keeping my "bumper" sticker. The CLINTON-KAINE stayed from conviction but also to irritate the SHITLER flying monkeys, and when time came I stressed over taking it down for BIDEN-HARRIS, tried out layering and that worked:





Here'tis: Joy REID's magnificent rant:: "you 70 million said all of that was fine, do more of that"

Note: I broke up the body of her rant into "paragraphs" for easier reading. In the link they count as one dense paragraph.

***********QUOTE*********

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/joy-reid-trump-supporters-decided-all-of-his-cruelty-was-fine-so-yeah-were-gonna-dunk-on-yall-today/
Joy Reid: Trump Supporters Decided All of His ‘Cruelty’ Was Fine, So ‘Yeah, We’re Gonna Dunk on Y’all’ Today

.... Reid revealed she was in the middle of getting a covid test when she heard the news and said she subsequently walked to Times Square. “And honestly, it’s like a new day, Lawrence. It’s like the city has woken up from a slumber.”

Reid then responded to people saying “don’t dunk on Trump supporters today.”

“Sorry, that’s what people are going to do,” she said. ....

“We have had four years of mass deaths. 240,000 of our fellow Americans have died and Donald Trump was vowing to kill another several million of us through herd immunity. He didn’t care about the dead. He ripped 1,000 children from their parents without a second thought.

Stephen Miller has been installed in the White House for four years practicing open, vile racism and xenophobia and making it policy. Millions of federal employees, hundreds of thousands of them have been barred from talking about systemic racism. They reversed policy on everything that was designed to make this country more fair for people like me. My immigrant family members, none of them could have come here under the rules that they placed against people who are Black and brown and coming from countries that are majority Muslim. They banned Muslim travelers, grandmas that wanted to see their grandkids.

The cruelty, the hideousness of this administration. The awfulness. They were threatening to take away my friends that are gay, that are married, and invalidate their marriages. They put in a Supreme Court that threatened to take away our health care, our desperately-needed health care. All my kids except one would be off my health care if they accomplished that.

They are threatening our lives. They don’t mind if we die. So I’m sorry if the Trump supporters are feeling a little sad this morning, but, yes, we’re going to dunk on y’all, because you 70 million people said all of that was fine, do more of that, just give me a few more pennies in tax cuts if you don’t make a million dollars a year. You didn’t even really get anything. All you got was cruelty towards people like me.”


“This country is awake. We finally feel like we can breathe,” Reid added. ....

**********UNQUOTE**********








For today's GOOD FEELINGS: Prayer for My Daughter, W.B. Yeats



********QUOTE*******

https://poets.org/poem/prayer-my-daughter
A Prayer for my Daughter
W. B. Yeats - 1865-1939

Once more the storm is howling, and half hid
Under this cradle-hood and coverlid
My child sleeps on. There is no obstacle
But Gregory's wood and one bare hill
Whereby the haystack- and roof-levelling wind,
Bred on the Atlantic, can be stayed;
And for an hour I have walked and prayed
Because of the great gloom that is in my mind.

I have walked and prayed for this young child an hour
And heard the sea-wind scream upon the tower,
And under the arches of the bridge, and scream
In the elms above the flooded stream;
Imagining in excited reverie
That the future years had come,
Dancing to a frenzied drum,
Out of the murderous innocence of the sea.

May she be granted beauty and yet not
Beauty to make a stranger's eye distraught,
Or hers before a looking-glass, for such,
Being made beautiful overmuch,
Consider beauty a sufficient end,
Lose natural kindness and maybe
The heart-revealing intimacy
That chooses right, and never find a friend.

Helen being chosen found life flat and dull
And later had much trouble from a fool,
While that great Queen, that rose out of the spray,
Being fatherless could have her way
Yet chose a bandy-leggèd smith for man.
It's certain that fine women eat
A crazy salad with their meat
Whereby the Horn of Plenty is undone.

In courtesy I'd have her chiefly learned;
Hearts are not had as a gift but hearts are earned
By those that are not entirely beautiful;
Yet many, that have played the fool
For beauty's very self, has charm made wise,
And many a poor man that has roved,
Loved and thought himself beloved,
From a glad kindness cannot take his eyes.

May she become a flourishing hidden tree
That all her thoughts may like the linnet be,
And have no business but dispensing round
Their magnanimities of sound,
Nor but in merriment begin a chase,
Nor but in merriment a quarrel.
O may she live like some green laurel
Rooted in one dear perpetual place.

My mind, because the minds that I have loved,
The sort of beauty that I have approved,
Prosper but little, has dried up of late,
Yet knows that to be choked with hate
May well be of all evil chances chief.
If there's no hatred in a mind
Assault and battery of the wind
Can never tear the linnet from the leaf.

An intellectual hatred is the worst,
So let her think opinions are accursed.
Have I not seen the loveliest woman born
Out of the mouth of Plenty's horn,
Because of her opinionated mind
Barter that horn and every good
By quiet natures understood
For an old bellows full of angry wind?

Considering that, all hatred driven hence,
The soul recovers radical innocence

And learns at last that it is self-delighting,
Self-appeasing, self-affrighting,
And that its own sweet will is Heaven's will;
She can, though every face should scowl
And every windy quarter howl
Or every bellows burst, be happy still.

And may her bridegroom bring her to a house
Where all's accustomed, ceremonious;
For arrogance and hatred are the wares
Peddled in the thoroughfares.
How but in custom and in ceremony
Are innocence and beauty born?
Ceremony's a name for the rich horn,
And custom for the spreading laurel tree.

*********UNQUOTE******









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