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Moscow Mitch presser: created 3 task forces among senate republicans

to decide what they and the WH favoured doing in terms of financial aide. Meanwhile they will pass the House bill to prove bi partisanship. The Senate will not leave until a second bill, this one generated by the republican task forces and WH, and much greater, is passed. Mitch is all about bending the coronavirus curve now. And making sure credit is not given to democratic colleagues wherever and whenever they can. He said his colleagues should gag and pass the House bill. Lovely.

If the White House spends billions on aide packages for the cruise ship

industry and the tourist industry and all the private entities affected by coronavirus it must fund COVID-19 treatment for the uninsured. Both are out of the norm spending. Otherwise that is not picking winners and losers. That is playing God.

I think trump just doesn't care and is kept busy by the sociopaths around

him, the businessmen randians and his fawning family. He is a reflection of them. He had no idealogy of his own save for being elected. Steven Miller made sure to make trump's base afraid of foreigners in Trump's speech. Gaetz got his jollies putting on a gas mask because people would soon be contracting a virus, some of whom would die from it. And when he got called out for it, it was suddenly him alone in a car in a walmart parking lot. Yeah, right! It is all just fun and games and about their needs. Not the needs of the country. I) i'm sure some care a bit. 2) I'm sure some don't care as long as it does not affect them politically. 3) I'm sure some relish the tought of so many people worldwide being so sick. It is very hard to tell who is who. But the number 2) were winning out until tonight. If we don't find out the uninsured will be able to go to the hospitals if they need to, we will have our answer as to who won out in the end. And i bet if the # 3) win out, 6 years from then america will have medicare for all after a Biden term to bring the country together. Remember the Nazis hid the camps. Anyone who is dying at home due to lack of insurance will still have skype. The right wing cannot possibly put enough payed trolls online to sway the online public to the "death is fun to watch" side. Even the Nazis realised they would wear down their semi sadistic ss officers if they had to watch each death so they systemized murder in the death camps so it would be less 'personal'. The truly sadistic, who would troll sick uninsured people online, are rare. And rarer too in pandemic situation in the USA vis a vis the many sick uninsured. There simply are not enough of the #3) to make ignoring the uninsured a win. The public will feel outrage and revultion at their trolling and at the policy. Sure there are quite a few republican sadists and semi sadists in politics in washington, but not enough on the whole. Sorry if i sound like a detached anthropologist. Someone has to.

So now the Trump WH rolls out help for people with COVID-19. No longer

walking out of pressers refusing to answer a question about how vulnerable people will be helped when they are sick. Well now those vulnerable people with jobs will be helped financially. Those who make enough to pay taxes will be helped financially. Why are they starting to lead? Is it because now red states and actual republicans are potential victims? Is it because private labs have ramped up testing enough to dim the "public" health responce? Why?

Might be a quick way to change the make up of the electorate if people who can't afford it don't

get tested, or don't get healthcare or don't get advice if they are sick, so it spreads within their poorer communities. I'm part anthropologist so that is why i sound so detached. This WH would do pretty much anything to get re-elected.Why else did Pence walk out of a presser ignoring a reporters question on the matter. Unless he is baiting us.

When Pence gave a presser about the cruise ship off of san francisco

with coronavirus patients on board he mention the word "industry" in every sentence and made the government offices responsible for health to look like also-rans. The WH obviously wants big business to look good here and not government.

Biden himself said people trust Bernie. It insults

and angers Bernie people. It would feel like gaslighting to Bernie people.

Here is Biden at the town hall.

"SNIP.....

CHARLESTON — Joseph R. Biden Jr. came out swinging at one of his chief rivals, Bernie Sanders, at a televised town hall event on Wednesday, swiping at him over everything from his record on guns to the damage that he suggested Mr. Sanders would do to Democrats running in down-ballot races.

Mr. Sanders identifies as a democratic socialist, and Mr. Biden was asked on the CNN program if he “would support a socialist at the top of the ticket.”

“We have moved in a direction that in fact, the progressive — now ‘progressive’ means ‘Bernie,’” said Mr. Biden, who is a relative centrist but added that throughout his career he had been considered a “liberal liberal.”

“It means democratic socialism or whatever the phrase is,” Mr. Biden said. “I think Bernie is a decent, honorable man who means what he says.”

......SNIP"

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/live/2020/south-carolina-debate-primary-02-26

I think Biden is trying to reach out to Bernie voters and that is important. It is Biden's 'healing' message.

Makes you go hmmmm?

https://twitter.com/MalcolmNance/status/1232089105862995968

Why were so many Trumpies throwing a wrench into any hope of extraditing Assange? Could it be Trump cannot get away with pardoning him and they do not want him testifying in the US?

The country is of two separate worlds. It is as if we speak separate

languages. Trump and the GOP have so put such a false narrative (and narratives) in their base's minds that when Democrats talk to Republicans they hear something different than was said - they laugh or get angry. Every discussian is a trump loyalty test. There is suddenly meaning in the narrative and it is compelling of all sort of behaviour. The geography inside both sides' heads is totally different. We picture things differently. When republicans talk to Democrats, Democrats are appauled at the lack of discernable reality.

When i fell for the conman's shit in Nov. 1995, i stopped writing in my diary pretty much. It was really weird that i did that because it was such an emotional and bewildering time when he fooled me fot 6 weeks straight and sent me on a 'trip'. I didn't write in my diary for almost a month after that as i got over the trip and bewildered some more. When i began to really figure it out, I was attacked and went into shock i started writing again. I guess i mean that when you are in a cult you are floating. You are not reality testing judiciously yourself like normal. The conman is generating the bullshit that compells you and directing it your way. It becomes a wave that lifts you up and carries you.

So these Trump voters are not self reflecting. They are riding the Trump narrative like it is a wave and they are surfers. Nothing else going on but staying on that wave and bonding and sharing with like people to make it so. Who can knock them off so they start looking around and start discerning judiciously again?

Russia is a hoax they say. I bet Russia will help Trump by not interfering in any way that can be proven. Then 'russia is a hoax' will seem doubly true. Do we write catchy memes that give the stats on what middle class life is like under Putin? A list of stats might work. We could make 'what will life be like under Putin/Trump?' an ongoing soap opera. Maybe anonymous russians could make statements.

Maybe Putin helping Bernie will translate into Putin 'helping' Democrats

into the GE and not Trump the Trump propaganda will say? So Trump will turn the Russia thing into a hoax in the minds of the independants because Russia will not be helping Trump this time around? Then Trump will say Mueller was a hoax. And by not helping Trump this time around Russia will be actually helping Trump's narrative in the 2020 general election. Maybe that is the plan. Because in 2016 Trump asked for Russia to find Hillary's emails into a microphone on the TV. This week he became enraged that his former Acting Director of National Intelligence Joseph Maguire didn't stop, in the question section the House briefing, the naming of the Trump campaign as a beneficiary of Putin actions during the election this year. There was no direct proof and Trump fired him. So he knew there was no direct evidence as his minions are saying publicly in the last few days. It is his whole game. Why they can't seem to let the loss, of another accusation of Russia helping Trump, stick. It didn't matter to them in 2016. It matters to them now.
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