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January 18, 2013
Both our faiths promote charity and compassion, afterall
January 17, 2013
Probably how most of us have felt here once or twice...
January 17, 2013
Religion may not survive the Internet
As we head into a new year, the guardians of traditional religion are ramping up efforts to keep their flocksor, in crass economic terms, to retain market share. Some Christians have turned to soul searching while others have turned to marketing. Last fall, the LDS church spent millions on billboards, bus banners, and Facebook ads touting Im a Mormon. In Canada, the Catholic Church has launched a Come Home marketing campaign. The Southern Baptists Convention voted to rebrand themselves. A hipster mega-church in Seattle combines smart advertising with sales force training for members and a strategy the Catholics have emphasized for centuries: competitive breeding.
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In all of the frenzy, few seem to give any recognition to the player that I see as the primary hero, or, if you prefer, culpritand Im not talking about science populizer and atheist superstar Neil deGrasse Tyson. Then again, maybe Iam talking about Tyson in a sense, because in his various viral guisesas a talk show host and tweeter and as the face on scores of smartass Facebook memesTyson is an incarnation of the biggest threat that organized religion has ever faced: the internet.
A traditional religion, one built on right belief, requires a closed information system. That is why the Catholic Church put an official seal of approval on some ancient texts and banned or burned others. It is why some Bible-believing Christians are forbidden to marry nonbelievers. It is why Quiverfull moms home school their kids from carefully screened text books. It is why, when you get sucked into conversations with your fundamentalist uncle George from Florida, you sometimes wonder if he has some superpower that allows him to magically close down all avenues into his mind. (He does!)
Religions have spent eons honing defenses that keep outside information away from insiders. The innermost ring wall is a set of certainties and associated emotions like anxiety and disgust and righteous indignation that block curiosity. The outer wall is a set of behaviors aimed at insulating believers from contradictory evidence and from heretics who are potential transmitters of dangerous ideas. These behaviors range from memorizing sacred texts to wearing distinctive undergarments to killing infidels. Such defenses worked beautifully during humanitys infancy. But they werent really designed for the current information age.
Tech-savvy mega-churches may have twitter missionaries, and Calvinist cuties may make viral videos about how Jesus worship isnt a religion, its a relationship, but that doesnt change the facts: the free flow of information is really, really bad for the product they are selling. Here are five kinds of web content that are like, well, like electrolysis on religions hairy toes.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/16/religion_may_not_survive_the_internet/
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In all of the frenzy, few seem to give any recognition to the player that I see as the primary hero, or, if you prefer, culpritand Im not talking about science populizer and atheist superstar Neil deGrasse Tyson. Then again, maybe Iam talking about Tyson in a sense, because in his various viral guisesas a talk show host and tweeter and as the face on scores of smartass Facebook memesTyson is an incarnation of the biggest threat that organized religion has ever faced: the internet.
A traditional religion, one built on right belief, requires a closed information system. That is why the Catholic Church put an official seal of approval on some ancient texts and banned or burned others. It is why some Bible-believing Christians are forbidden to marry nonbelievers. It is why Quiverfull moms home school their kids from carefully screened text books. It is why, when you get sucked into conversations with your fundamentalist uncle George from Florida, you sometimes wonder if he has some superpower that allows him to magically close down all avenues into his mind. (He does!)
Religions have spent eons honing defenses that keep outside information away from insiders. The innermost ring wall is a set of certainties and associated emotions like anxiety and disgust and righteous indignation that block curiosity. The outer wall is a set of behaviors aimed at insulating believers from contradictory evidence and from heretics who are potential transmitters of dangerous ideas. These behaviors range from memorizing sacred texts to wearing distinctive undergarments to killing infidels. Such defenses worked beautifully during humanitys infancy. But they werent really designed for the current information age.
Tech-savvy mega-churches may have twitter missionaries, and Calvinist cuties may make viral videos about how Jesus worship isnt a religion, its a relationship, but that doesnt change the facts: the free flow of information is really, really bad for the product they are selling. Here are five kinds of web content that are like, well, like electrolysis on religions hairy toes.
http://www.salon.com/2013/01/16/religion_may_not_survive_the_internet/
January 17, 2013
Do you have Forer’s Disease?
A hidden disorder may be making you ill. Its quite common, but many people dont know they have it and conventional doctors tend to ignore it. Medical tests fail often enough, turning up negative while patients continue to suffer a plethora of symptoms. Few people will have all of these symptoms, and most symptoms will be intermittent, and at least partially resolve when the patient is more active, so there will be great variability between patients. An estimated 80% of people experience Forers Disease at some point in their lives, yet it is frequently overlooked and misunderstood by the medical community. Forers Disease is becoming a popular topic in the medical community; as a result, it is important to recognize the symptoms of this particular condition. Sufferers typically experience a wide assortment of symptoms, and its important to learn how to recognize them.
Most sufferers of Forers Disease experience some or all of the following symptoms:
Sound familiar? Of course it does, because the actual condition that leads to these symptoms is being human. Pretty much every person (in an affluent nation at least) will experience many of these symptoms at some point in their lives. And people are more likely to experience many of them during periods of high stress or, lets face it, when were getting older.
I borrowed the name Forer from the Forer Effect, in which subjects assign a high level of accuracy to a list of vague and generally applicable descriptions, when the list is presented as a personalized profile of the subject. It is most often used to discuss horoscopes and personality tests (You are a caring person, but sometimes you fail to live up to your own ethical standards. You enjoy being with other people, but sometimes feel shy and reticent), but I think a similar effect occurs when someone suffering from obnoxious symptoms reads a list like the one above, paired with a proffered cure. The list of symptoms seems to be so accurate, even tailored to the reader. Its easy to believe that the web site or book youre reading is accurately diagnosing whats wrong with you.
Deliberate quacks and misguided natural health gurus alike have a tendency to cobble together a similar list of if youre human you have them symptoms and assign a disease to them. If you have many of the above symptoms you qualify for Systemic Yeast, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, Gluten Sensitivity (with negative Celiac test), Subluxations, Adrenal Fatigue, Electromagnetic Sensitivity, and Wilsons Temperature Syndrome, and probably a dozen more fad diagnoses that have come and gone over the years. The problem is that aggregating a bunch of common symptoms and deducing a particular disease isnt reliable. As you can see, it casts far too wide a net.
http://skepticalmothering.com/2013/01/16/do-you-have-forers-disease/
Most sufferers of Forers Disease experience some or all of the following symptoms:
Fatigue
Backache
Mood swings
Digestive upset, such as nausea, indigestion, and gas pains
Headaches and migraines
Insomnia
Low energy/malaise
Joint pain
Decreased libido
Constipation
Skin irritation
Memory problems
Cravings, especially for sugar, salt, and fat
Sound familiar? Of course it does, because the actual condition that leads to these symptoms is being human. Pretty much every person (in an affluent nation at least) will experience many of these symptoms at some point in their lives. And people are more likely to experience many of them during periods of high stress or, lets face it, when were getting older.
I borrowed the name Forer from the Forer Effect, in which subjects assign a high level of accuracy to a list of vague and generally applicable descriptions, when the list is presented as a personalized profile of the subject. It is most often used to discuss horoscopes and personality tests (You are a caring person, but sometimes you fail to live up to your own ethical standards. You enjoy being with other people, but sometimes feel shy and reticent), but I think a similar effect occurs when someone suffering from obnoxious symptoms reads a list like the one above, paired with a proffered cure. The list of symptoms seems to be so accurate, even tailored to the reader. Its easy to believe that the web site or book youre reading is accurately diagnosing whats wrong with you.
Deliberate quacks and misguided natural health gurus alike have a tendency to cobble together a similar list of if youre human you have them symptoms and assign a disease to them. If you have many of the above symptoms you qualify for Systemic Yeast, Multiple Chemical Sensitivity, Gluten Sensitivity (with negative Celiac test), Subluxations, Adrenal Fatigue, Electromagnetic Sensitivity, and Wilsons Temperature Syndrome, and probably a dozen more fad diagnoses that have come and gone over the years. The problem is that aggregating a bunch of common symptoms and deducing a particular disease isnt reliable. As you can see, it casts far too wide a net.
http://skepticalmothering.com/2013/01/16/do-you-have-forers-disease/
January 17, 2013
I’m not saying it’s God’s Will or anything …
There was a time I felt halfway sorry for Mark Sanford. Remember? Sanford was governor of South Carolina, he disappeared, supposedly to hike the Appalachian Trail. Hed actually fallen head over heels in love with a Brazilian Argentinian beauty and was down south fornicating, much to the chagrin of his wealthy, proper wife back home. Disgraced, Sanford resigned and dropped off the face of the earth.
Hes baaack!
All Sanford did was fall in love and act on it. Regrettable for his wife, perhaps tough on the whole family, but it happens thousands of times a day all over the world. Its not a crime although wed all be way more interested in hearing what happen to Sanfords true love as opposed to his plans for self enrichment.
But then we find Sanford is just another grifter invoking the name of God-eh to sweep away doubt either that or he really believes this crazy shit:
Of course youre not saying that Mark, of course youre not.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingularity/2013/01/16/im-not-saying-it-is-gods-will-or-anything/
NBC News Ex-South Carolina Gov. Mark Sanford will announce tomorrow that he is running for Congress, First Read confirms with an aide close to Sanford. Sanford will announce via press release tomorrow; there will be no press conference or public events associated with it, according to an aide. NBC previously reported that Sanford would attempt a political comeback running for his old first congressional district seat. Sanford would be running to replace Tim Scott, who was appointed to Jim DeMints Senate seat.
All Sanford did was fall in love and act on it. Regrettable for his wife, perhaps tough on the whole family, but it happens thousands of times a day all over the world. Its not a crime although wed all be way more interested in hearing what happen to Sanfords true love as opposed to his plans for self enrichment.
But then we find Sanford is just another grifter invoking the name of God-eh to sweep away doubt either that or he really believes this crazy shit:
It took several dominoes to fall for Sanford to be lined up to run in this race, something Sanford also acknowledged. Im not saying it was God-ordained or anything like that, Sanford said, but a series of rather miraculous events have coincided here, that did not escape the attention of the friends who were urging me to look at this.
Of course youre not saying that Mark, of course youre not.
http://freethoughtblogs.com/zingularity/2013/01/16/im-not-saying-it-is-gods-will-or-anything/
January 17, 2013
Hey, religious moderates, I'm talking to you.... THIS is our common ground. THIS is our common fight. You want to work together to rid ourselves of extremists and bigots? Then step up.
Decalogue déjà vu? Alabama ‘Commandments Judge’ says legal system comes from Bible
Disgraced Judge Roy Moore has been back on the Alabama bench less than one week, and he is already giving church-state separation supporters reason to worry.
Moore was sworn in last Friday as chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, a post he held from 2001 until 2003, when he was removed from his position for defying a court order and ignoring the Constitution.
In 2001, Moore thought it would be a good idea to haul a 2.5-ton granite monument depicting a Protestant version of the Ten Commandments into the foyer of the Alabama Judicial Building and announce that it was his intent to acknowledge God. Americans United and our allies in Alabama sued, charging Moore with violating the constitutional separation of church and state. The federal courts ruled in our favor, but Moore ignored the order to remove the monument. That worked out about as well as youd expect. The monument was removed from the foyer, and in 2003, Moore was removed from the state supreme court.
After failed runs for governor in 2006 and 2010, Moore somehow managed to get reelected to the Alabama Supreme Court last year. When he took his oath of office on Jan. 11, he showed he had learned little from past experience.
That remark was bad enough, but Moore didnt stop there. In fact, things got worse as Moore continued to rant on the importance of the Bible as the basis for laws in the United States.
http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2013/01/decalogue-deja-vu-alabama-commandments-judge-says-legal-system-comes-rrom-bible/
Moore was sworn in last Friday as chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court, a post he held from 2001 until 2003, when he was removed from his position for defying a court order and ignoring the Constitution.
In 2001, Moore thought it would be a good idea to haul a 2.5-ton granite monument depicting a Protestant version of the Ten Commandments into the foyer of the Alabama Judicial Building and announce that it was his intent to acknowledge God. Americans United and our allies in Alabama sued, charging Moore with violating the constitutional separation of church and state. The federal courts ruled in our favor, but Moore ignored the order to remove the monument. That worked out about as well as youd expect. The monument was removed from the foyer, and in 2003, Moore was removed from the state supreme court.
After failed runs for governor in 2006 and 2010, Moore somehow managed to get reelected to the Alabama Supreme Court last year. When he took his oath of office on Jan. 11, he showed he had learned little from past experience.
Weve got to remember most of what we do in court comes from some scriptures or is backed by scriptures, Moore said, according to the Associated Press. (Moore took his oath not on one Bible, but a stack of them.)
That remark was bad enough, but Moore didnt stop there. In fact, things got worse as Moore continued to rant on the importance of the Bible as the basis for laws in the United States.
http://www.secularnewsdaily.com/2013/01/decalogue-deja-vu-alabama-commandments-judge-says-legal-system-comes-rrom-bible/
Hey, religious moderates, I'm talking to you.... THIS is our common ground. THIS is our common fight. You want to work together to rid ourselves of extremists and bigots? Then step up.
January 16, 2013
The European Court of Human Rights, often unfairly, gets a regular kicking in the British press. So it's good to see that the judges in Strasbourg have come up with a series of careful and nuanced rulings this morning on the issue of religious discrimination that are a cracking advertisement for exactly why we need such a court.
The judgements cover four cases that were brought by British Christians who claimed they were discriminated against by their employers because of their religious beliefs.
British Airways steward Nadia Eweida and NHS nurse Shirley Chaplin both lost employment tribunals because they refused to take off necklaces bearing a crucifix. Lilian Ladele, a marriage registrar from Islington, and relationship counsellor Gary McFarlane lost their jobs because their opposition to same sex relationships impinged on their ability to do their jobs without discriminating against others.
While accepting Eweida had been discriminated against, the ECHR threw out the other three cases for very good reasons. Ill go into why the judges found the way they did below.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/a-loss-for-the-christian-lobby-the-echr-ruling-reinforces-the-crucial-point-that-religious-rights-dont-automatically-trump-the-rights-of-others-8452458.html
"...reinforces the crucial point that religious rights don't automatically trump the rights of others."
I wish that we could get that point hammered home here in this country. Can we, here on DU, at least agree on that?
ECHR ruling reinforces point that religious rights don't automatically trump the rights of others
The European Court of Human Rights, often unfairly, gets a regular kicking in the British press. So it's good to see that the judges in Strasbourg have come up with a series of careful and nuanced rulings this morning on the issue of religious discrimination that are a cracking advertisement for exactly why we need such a court.
The judgements cover four cases that were brought by British Christians who claimed they were discriminated against by their employers because of their religious beliefs.
British Airways steward Nadia Eweida and NHS nurse Shirley Chaplin both lost employment tribunals because they refused to take off necklaces bearing a crucifix. Lilian Ladele, a marriage registrar from Islington, and relationship counsellor Gary McFarlane lost their jobs because their opposition to same sex relationships impinged on their ability to do their jobs without discriminating against others.
While accepting Eweida had been discriminated against, the ECHR threw out the other three cases for very good reasons. Ill go into why the judges found the way they did below.
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/a-loss-for-the-christian-lobby-the-echr-ruling-reinforces-the-crucial-point-that-religious-rights-dont-automatically-trump-the-rights-of-others-8452458.html
"...reinforces the crucial point that religious rights don't automatically trump the rights of others."
I wish that we could get that point hammered home here in this country. Can we, here on DU, at least agree on that?
January 16, 2013
Tell me again why so many Progressives and Liberals think it's responsible to shop at this over-priced scam market?
Whole Foods CEO changes tune on ‘Obamacare’: It’s not ‘socialism,’ it’s ‘fascism’
The CEO of Whole Foods said in 2009 that the Affordable Care Act was tantamount to socialism, but now hes changing his tune: Its not socialism anymore. According to him, its fascism. Thats what John Mackey told National Public Radio (NPR) on Wednesday, in an interview aired on Morning Edition, seeming not to mind that the two forms of government are largely incompatible and ill-suited for framing the U.S. health care laws.
Mackey had a different take in 2009, when he wrote in The Wall Street Journal that the Affordable Care Act is precisely the kind of socialism British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher warned about. Technically speaking, its more like fascism, he told NPR on Wednesday. Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesnt own the means of production, but they do control it and thats whats happening with our health care programs and these reforms.
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What he doesnt mention is that fascism is also known as government by corporations, whereupon the poor and working classes have little to no social welfare programs and must depend upon the generosity of employers for life-saving medical care, among other basic needs. In a stroke of irony, that is precisely what Mackey was flacking in 2009 with his advocacy of high deductible health insurance policies that only cover catastrophic medical emergencies.
Raw Story (http://s.tt/1yxNP)
Mackey had a different take in 2009, when he wrote in The Wall Street Journal that the Affordable Care Act is precisely the kind of socialism British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher warned about. Technically speaking, its more like fascism, he told NPR on Wednesday. Socialism is where the government owns the means of production. In fascism, the government doesnt own the means of production, but they do control it and thats whats happening with our health care programs and these reforms.
--snip--
What he doesnt mention is that fascism is also known as government by corporations, whereupon the poor and working classes have little to no social welfare programs and must depend upon the generosity of employers for life-saving medical care, among other basic needs. In a stroke of irony, that is precisely what Mackey was flacking in 2009 with his advocacy of high deductible health insurance policies that only cover catastrophic medical emergencies.
Raw Story (http://s.tt/1yxNP)
Tell me again why so many Progressives and Liberals think it's responsible to shop at this over-priced scam market?
January 16, 2013
Side note: When you follow the link, the CNN iReport page open and pop-up window comes up stating that "This material has been flagged as inappropriate. Do you want to continue?" Yes, A person speaking their mind about why they do not believe in a god has been flagged as "inappropriate". Thanks, believers, thanks a lot. Your tolerance of those that do not share your views is refreshing and enjoyable...
Why I Raise My Children Without God
When my son was around 3 years old, he used to ask me a lot of questions about heaven. Where is it? How do people walk without a body? How will I find you? You know the questions that kids ask. For over a year, I lied to him and made up stories that I didnt believe about heaven. Like most parents, I love my child so much that I didnt want him to be scared. I wanted him to feel safe and loved and full of hope. But the trade-off was that I would have to make stuff up, and I would have to brainwash him into believing stories that didnt make sense, stories that I didnt believe either. One day he would know this, and he would not trust my judgment. He would know that I built an elaborate talenot unlike the one we tell children about Santato explain the inconsistent and illogical legend of God.
And so I thought it was only right to be honest with my children. I am a non-believer, and for years Ive been on the fringe in my community. As a blogger, though, Ive found that there are many other parents out there like me. We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young agnostics, atheists, free thinkers and humanists rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower our nations religious fever. (AMEN!!!
Here are a few of the reasons why I am raising my children without God:
(5 more reason at link...)
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-910282
And so I thought it was only right to be honest with my children. I am a non-believer, and for years Ive been on the fringe in my community. As a blogger, though, Ive found that there are many other parents out there like me. We are creating the next generation of kids, and there is a wave of young agnostics, atheists, free thinkers and humanists rising up through the ranks who will, hopefully, lower our nations religious fever. (AMEN!!!
Here are a few of the reasons why I am raising my children without God:
God is a bad parent and role model.
If God is our father, then he is not a good parent. Good parents dont allow their children to inflict harm on others. Good people dont stand by and watch horrible acts committed against innocent men, women and children. They dont condone violence and abuse. He has given us free will, you say? Our children have free will, but we still step in and guide them
God is not logical.
How many times have you heard, Why did God allow this to happen? And this: Its not for us to understand. Translate: We dont understand, so we will not think about it or deal with the issue. Take for example the senseless tragedy in Newtown. Rather than address the problem of guns in America, we defer responsibility to God. He had a reason. He wanted more angels. Only he knows why. We write poems saying that we told God to leave our schools. Now hes making us pay the price. If there is a good, all-knowing, all-powerful God who loves his children, does it make sense that he would allow murders, child abuse, wars, brutal beatings, torture and millions of heinous acts to be committed throughout the history of mankind? Doesnt this go against everything Christ taught us in the New Testament?
The question we should be asking is this: Why did we allow this to happen? How can we fix this? No imaginary person is going to give us the answers or tell us why. Only we have the ability to be logical and to problem solve, and we should not abdicate these responsibilities to God just because a topic is tough or uncomfortable to address.
(5 more reason at link...)
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-910282
Side note: When you follow the link, the CNN iReport page open and pop-up window comes up stating that "This material has been flagged as inappropriate. Do you want to continue?" Yes, A person speaking their mind about why they do not believe in a god has been flagged as "inappropriate". Thanks, believers, thanks a lot. Your tolerance of those that do not share your views is refreshing and enjoyable...
January 14, 2013
I know you are but what am I?
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