June 22, 2013

How I learned to stop worrying and love the totalitarianism,

in 3 easy steps:

1- The first step is to admit that leftist pundits so reliable we can set our watches by them if we still wore watches are as full of baloney as Rush, Billo and Glenn. Glenn B that is.


2 - The next step is to realize that the only way to know what's actually going on after reading or hearing the news is to come here and check ProSense's threads. Well there are other ways I suppose but that's a good short cut.


3 - The last step is to figure out how to stop worrying and love DU without getting pissed off by certain other prominent threads and that one I'm still working on but I think we're all making progress so life is good.

June 22, 2013

Ryan-Rand, the Dumb and Dumber ticket, groan

So dumb it just might win . . .

But it would be worth it to hear Medea say "Progressives 'Stand with Stupid!'"

June 22, 2013

Then we could watch Rand push President Ronny off the cliff

and take over:

June 22, 2013

A word about the BOG:

Don't like it?







Just kidding. It's a fun place and all are welcome and the hosts there are the nicest DUers you'll ever meet. They'll make you feel welcome even if you're a newbie and find a picture to make you laugh if you're feeling down. You'll leave feeling glad you voted Dem all over again!



So come on down and say hi, but do keep in mind that it's a protected group and unloading the latest nut-rage is generally frowned on: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1102

June 21, 2013

Those are fine points, thank you. Here's what I would add:

It's important to remember that while they may use the same tools, or "repressive state apparatus" if you want to sound ponderous, the Bush-Cheney and Obama administrations were and are using them to different purposes. So while it's possible that Bush-Cheney had assorted nefarious motives with their rendition and torture operations, including terrorist recruitment, I see no evidence that the Obama admin does. From what I can gather Obama is using drones for what he keeps telling us they're being used for, i.e., to curb terrorism.

That's a police function and that's exactly how Kerry in 2004 said he would approach terrorism. And the available evidence suggests to me that that's what's happening: instead of increasing recruitment, as Chomsky and others would like us to believe so as to transfer Bush-Cheney crimes to the black guy, Obama and Kerry seem in fact to be diminishing it. And if you read the articles you posted it's easy to see why: if you were a teenager in Yemen and there were drones hovering around I imagine it would curb your appetite for mischief in the same way police cruisers do in small towns.


p.s. I often suspected that the torture prisons were experiments in terrorist creation, but from what I can gather it doesn't work -- innocent torture victims when released make every effort to resume what's left of their previous lives, as do combatants, if their war is still on, otherwise they return to civilian life. So there's little or no net gain in terrorism.

June 21, 2013

I'm afraid he's very wrong. He offers no evidence that Obama is "dedicated to increasing terror"

in any real way and Chomsky's claim is insulting and ridiculous. Nor does he offer any evidence that "terror" is actually increasing anywhere, just speculation:

Uh, no Noam. How do "we react to acts of terror"? Let's see, there was 9/11, a spectacular, internationally televised and re-televised catastrophe widely exploited by the US media in collusion with Bush administration as war propaganda. If present-day drone strikes on Pakistani farmers compare in any conceivable way to 9/11 Chomsky doesn't say so. In other words this article a silly pack of lies.

June 20, 2013

GTF outta here

p.s. to all BOGgers!

June 20, 2013

Strong rec and 2 points:

1 - Dissenters, please at least read the thread title. ProSense is not saying it's all about race. It's all about hate and theres no shortage of that:

2 - A few weeks back a poster asked a question I couldn't answer: if mainstream and alternative media are both unreliable, what would I consider a reliable source of political news? Well, I figured out the answer and it's right here on DU, namely ProSense, who can always be trusted to to find the needle in the haystack and post a link to it before the MSM turns the on lights in the studio. As for racism, ProSense has twice put it very diplomatically, so I'll put it more bluntly: if you think it has nothing to do with race, then it does.

June 19, 2013

EarlG you have a knack

p.s. LBN link : http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014512236

UK Telegraph: Barack Obama calls for nuclear stockpile reduction in Berlin

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/10130273/Barack-Obama-calls-for-nuclear-stockpile-reduction-in-Berlin.html