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Paper ballots.

Hand counted by real people.

Results posted on the door before the ballots leave the precinct.

All this monitored by webcams. Now THERE'S a proper use of computers.

"there is no fraud with voting machines. It's an internet myth."

Words fail me. Copying this so I can journal it.

I am a computer professional.

That means I know they are programmed by humans.


Trust computers (programmed by people), do you?

One word. Volkswagen.

I didn't know you before this interchange, so I can't say you lost credibility with me that you never had a chance to have, but I will say that I feel you can't have done much research on election fraud.

Especially via electronic voting machines. IMHO, HAVA was a planned scam. Poor ol' Rush Holt, dupe.

Well, I hope this is a "Dewey Defeats Truman" year.

I am in contact with a lot of young people. They are almost all for Bernie, enthusiastically. If the campaign recognizes that and can harness it, done deal.

Except, of course, for the election-stealing mechanism put in place by good ol' HAVA.....

I am in tears.

What I've dealt with as an atheist (out as a child, closeted as an adult) is nothing next to this.

Why people can be so horrible because you don't believe in the proper imaginary friend has always been beyond me.

In a historical sense,

there's no way to tell which is more "important" other than knowledge of the future. (Thinking of some conservative arguments I have seen.)

In a rational sense, it's the woman's choice. Period. Up to the completion of the birth. Period.

Yes, I'm radical on this. Who in their right mind would choose to become pregnant if there was a large chance it would put them under the control of others? I, for one, wouldn't.

Might I disapprove of others' choices? Oh yeah. Might I not have all the facts? Oh yeah. Might others' choices in this matter be considered wrong by many? Yep. Might I try to persuade people? Possibly.

Still, my body is my body. And at this point in my life I'm happy for many reasons never to have been pregnant.

Want a next generation? I see it as a choice between people willing to become pregnant and Handmaid's Tale.


And I don't cuss.

How about government (we the people) controls corporations, not vice versa.


I have two (well three) words for you .


Heinlein was active in Upton Sinclair's socialist End Poverty in California movement in the early 1930s. When Sinclair gained the Democratic nomination for Governor of California in 1934, Heinlein worked actively in the campaign.


Upton Sinclair.

You know,


Smile when you tell me what's "not welcome here."

Bernie gets to the heart of the matter, as I have seen it for years, on MTP.

I guess this belongs here. It says a lot about why I'm for Bernie and why I think he can win (knock on wood), anyway.

This really resonated with me. (My comments in parentheses - I'd love to do it the correct way, with square brackets, but I've learned that just gets my comment disappeared - oddity of DU formatting.)


--He (President Obama) said he was going to govern this way. I remember the whole idea of Obama-- they called it Organizing for America (which, IIRC was virtually immediately abandoned/dismantled) -- that they were going to create a legislative that when they were blocked (Chuck??? Huh?????? Problem with transcript?), what you're describing, it didn't happen (no, it certainly didn't).


Okay. You're right, it didn't happen. And I think what ended up happening is the president, because he happens to be a very decent guy (yes, I have always said I'd like to hug his neck, a Southern expression, I guess, since I've always heard it, and I really mean it - personally, I adore the man), actually thought that he could sit down with the Republican leadership and work out some fair compromises. (Yep, and I've always said the man either never bought a car, or if he did he got taken, or something else is going on beneath the surface. I really don't see any other options.) The truth is, number one, they never had any intention to compromise. (Yes, even I could see that.) But number two, more importantly, you have to be prepared to mobilize people to take on these big money interests. (EXACTLY!!!!!!)

But you are right. I think we can do it. And I think that's what the bully pulpit is about. (Which has not been used nearly enough, at least in the way I wish it would be.) And that's what organizing effort's about. And that's what this campaign is about. And we're beginning to do that, Chuck. Every day I read in the paper things that are happening someplace in this country, whether there's spontaneous outbursts of support for us. (Huh?? Another transcript problem?) And that is what we have to mobilize. The bottom line is, unless turnout becomes much higher, we lose. Unless people are organized and politically conscious in a way that does not exist today, we are not going to transform America the way we have to. (EXACTLY!!!!!)

I have to do a hit and run, or whatever you would call it, as I just saw this transcript and felt moved to post before I have to get off the computer and leave for a prior engagement. I guess what DU thought of this (if anything) will be a surprise (of some sort) in the AM......

CBS Sunday Morning puff piece on Charles Koch. Ugh.


I'll start - he just said he "didn't put a penny on Scott Walker."

And CBS will continue the puffery Monday morning.

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