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Vote2016's JournalTrue or false: Sanders speaks with the exact same accent regardless of where he is campaigning?
Gathering some comparative data to follow up on an earlier discussion. A one-word answer in the subject line is all I need. Thanks for your help.
True or false: Hillary seems to speak with more of an accent when she campaigns in the South?
Some criticisms against Hillary are complete bullshit (Benghazi) some attacks seem fair to me (Bosnia "sniper fire"
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Do you think the suggestion that Hillary speaks with more of a Southern accent when she campaigns in the South is true or false?
One word response in the title is all I need. Thanks for your help.
Clinton announcing "escaping New Hampshire without formal indictment will be a win" for her
If Clinton is going to play off her impending loss in New Hampshire as a ridiculous "expectations game," she ought to play it to win.
Dear Bill and Hillary Clinton:
Let's talk candidly about what you ought to consider changing as part of your post-New Hampshire shakeup.
The number one change needs to be how you interact with the voters and the media: you need to say what you mean and mean what you say.
The shake up is yet another example of this. There are widely reported quotes from campaign insiders that “the Clintons are not happy, and have been letting all of us know that ... we need a more forward-looking message, for the primary — but also for the general election too," and "there is an urgency to fix these problems right now.”
With this report in the news headlines, Hillary went into a super-softball interview from a supporter who was lobbing her easy pitches and instead of showing some humility and taking some responsibility (this would improve your image which would benefit from some more humility and responsibility taking), Hillary literally responded "I don't know what you're talking about." John Podesta doubled down on this story: "There is zero truth to what you may be reading."
Try to take this point as helpful advice which is how it is intended: No one on the face of the globe believes Hillary or Podesta when they make such statements (frankly, Hillary and Podesta are too smart and too experienced not to be planning a shake up of the horribly under-performing campaign). When Hillary goes out there and tells everyone stuff that is not even remotely plausible, it isn't fooling anyone and it isn't helping. Plus, Podesta has his own credibility problem and he is not a good messenger for the Clinton campaign. I'm not questioning whether Podesta's advice is good or not or questioning whether he should be fired, but I am suggesting that he's the campaign's third worst surrogate after Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem.
Which brings up the next change you should consider.
The number two change involves how you communicate with millennials. It is beyond bad.
The Clinton campaign started in a hole and so far everything the campaign has tried has just made the hole deeper. Millennials do not want to be told that their choice is the result of stupidity, immaturity, gender treason, or a desire to hook up with anyone. No more scolding, no more shaming, no more condescending, no more Albright, no more Steinem, and pull Jennifer Granholm and Claire McCaskill off the trail for a while (they are great surrogates, but they've been pushing too hard lately so give them two weeks off from the national tour and have Granholm tone down a bit and work exclusively in Michigan until after that primary). Scolding millennials is neither helpful nor even neutral -- it is actively harmful to your cause and exacerbates the problem. Moreover, campaigning directly to target the millennials only makes the campaign look insincere and suck-upy, which -- again -- does harm rather than good. Win over millennials the same way John Kasich is winning them over. Don't overtly suck up to the "youth vote" -- campaign with ideas that you are genuinely enthusiastic about and when another candidate offers a contrary plan, don't attack the opponent's plan but -- instead -- tout the advantages of your own plan. Optimistically emphasize what you have to offer rather than pessimistically attacking why your opponents' plans are too good to be true (millennials hate it when you do that).
Finally, own yourself.
Stop pretending you're Elizabeth Warren in disguise. You're not. You are a bad Warren impersonator but your the best Hillary Clinton ever (well maybe not as good as Amy Poehler but better than Kate McKinnon). Be the best Hillary and not a half-assed Warren. Lots of people may prefer Warren over Hilary Clinton, but Warren isn't running, and everyone (including us Sanders supporters) prefers real Hillary over phony Hillary. Bury phony Hillary (next to pessimistic Hillary, attack Hillary, implausible Hillary, and not-my-fault Hillary).
Dust yourself off, retool your campaign, and let's get back to the policy debate between you and Sanders because, even though you might not be my first choice in the primary, it remains important that you -- as a Democratic front-runner -- must seem capable of beating Rubio or Kasich or whoever wins the Republican nomination. Without a course correction, you run the risk of beating Sanders due to your super-delegate advantage and going into the general election without a prayer of winning, and no one (even us Sanders supporters) wants that.
Sincerely
Who wants a candidate "who gets THINGS done"? W and Cheney got THINGS done. Reagan got THINGS done
We want progressive goals accomplished, not "THINGS done."
When Bill Clinton gutted the safety net for the most vulnerable Americans on welfare, he got THINGS done.
When Bill Clinton set back the fight for an equal right to marriage by signing DOMA, he got THINGS done.
When Bill Clinton took away judicial discretion by requiring harsh sentences for minor drug possession, he got THINGS done.
When Bill Clinton crippled labor by passing NAFTA, he got THINGS done.
When Bill Clinton boosted his support with Southern whites by shaming Sista Souljah and Joycelyn Elders, he got THINGS done.
When Bill Clinton deregulated Wall Street, he got THINGS done.
Contrast this failure of the progressive agenda under the Clintons with the sort of accomplishment that Hillary Clinton would say will never, ever happen; for example, contrast Clinton with Richard Nixon:
When Richard Nixon founded the Environmental Protection Agency, that was a progressive goal accomplished.
When Richard Nixon founded the Occupational Safety and Health Administration, that was a progressive goal accomplished.
When Richard Nixon signed the Clean Air Act, that was a progressive goal accomplished.
When Richard Nixon signed the Clean Water Act, that was a progressive goal accomplished.
When Richard Nixon laid the groundwork for the Indian Self-Determination and Education Assistance Act, that was a progressive goal accomplished.
When Richard Nixon ended the draft, that was a progressive goal accomplished.
When Richard Nixon signed Title IX into law, that was a progressive goal accomplished.
When Richard Nixon fought to get the 26th Amendment passed, that was a progressive goal accomplished.
AND RICHARD NIXON WAS A REPUBLICAN ASSHOLE!
Ask yourself, why did asshole Republican Richard Nixon accomplish more of the progressive agenda than Democrat Bill Clinton who actually rolled back progressive gains?
No one doubts that Hillary Clinton will get THINGS done; we just doubt that they will be progressive things.
Geogia Public Radio: "'Us' Vs. 'I, I, I' For Some Democrats In What Used To Be Clinton Country"
Here is some great analysis from Georgia Public Radio: link.
NPR — For more than two decades, New Hampshire has been a place of redemption for the Clintons. That could come to an end Tuesday night.... Hillary Clinton's 2008 ... victory helped her become the new "Comeback Kid" the same moniker her husband Bill Clinton proclaimed after his second-place finish in the state in 1992 jumpstarted his road to the nomination.
But now it's Clinton's rival, Bernie Sanders, who has the momentum going into Election Day. ... Donna Manion of Bow represents that. She came to Clinton's nearby Concord rally still trying to make up her mind. Even though she likes Clinton and voted for her in the 2008 primary, she said there's just something special about the 74-year-old Sanders that even reminds her of a young John F. Kennedy.
"I can, in my mind, think I'm pro-Hillary all the way," Manion said, "and then Bernie Sanders's ideas that he exposes me to really cause me to think in ways I hadn't thought before. I think in terms of 'us' a lot when I listen to Bernie talk. Whereas, when I listen to Hillary, even though I respect so much of what she has done, and the person that she is, I hear the word 'I,I, I' a lot."... "He has tapped into something that is fundamentally wrong and concerning about this country," Patrick Manion said, "and that is why so many people are feeling the fervor, are embracing the movement and understand that it's time to take the country back." ... Diane Meagher of Keane said Sanders represents the type of change from politics as usual that she's looking for something she just doesn't see in Clinton.
"If Hillary is the nominee, I won't vote for her," said Meager, an independent. "It's a trust factor. I'm actually excited about the Bernie campaign. It's a grassroots movement. It feels like this is who individuals want as a candidate, not just people who have money and corporations."
"The Vermont senator has made significant inroads with women voters in the Granite State"
Interesting analysis at Bloomberg news: here.
There are some great quotes in the article:
“Hillary Clinton is not the Hillary Clinton of 2008. New Hampshire is not the New Hampshire of 2008,” said Andrew Smith, director of the University of New Hampshire Survey Center.
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Exit polls from the 2008 primary in New Hampshire showed that Clinton had 46 percent support among women compared with 34 percent for Obama, and she also had the advantage over Obama among those earning less than $50,000 a year, 47 percent to 32 percent. An NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Marist poll of likely Democratic primary voters released Thursday showed Sanders winning 50 percent of women and 61 percent of those earning $50,000 or less.
Smith said the gender gap is particularly noticeable by age, with women 35 and younger backing Sanders and women older than 65 more inclined to support Clinton. That's attributable in part to generational differences and Sanders's overall appeal to younger voters, Smith said.
Laura LaBranche, 24, a computer technician from Somersworth, said she relates better with Sanders ... “I’m not sure if she’s just running for the sake of being the first female president, I’m not sure how sincere she is with this,” LaBranche said after a Sanders rally in Portsmouth. “Bernie seems more connectable to me.”
Liz Frescoln said while she backed Clinton in 2008, she thinks Sanders is the more effective advocate for issues such as universal health care and lowering medical costs. “I originally backed Hillary because she’s a woman, but I think there’s a lot more at stake here that I think Bernie’s focusing on,” Frescoln, 62, a psychotherapist from Canterbury, said after the same rally. “He seems to have a lot more energy.”
Dianne Day, a 55-year-old unemployed woman from Rindge, voted for Clinton in 2008 and is backing Sanders now. While she liked Clinton and her issues eight years ago, Sanders is a better choice now, Day said ... “I don’t trust her,” Day said after a Sanders rally on Saturday in Rindge. “I liked that she was the first woman running, but I don’t think that that’s as important as getting the best person in the job now.”
A CNN/WMUR New Hampshire primary poll released Sunday showed that while 7 percent of Democrats won’t vote for Sanders under any circumstances, 21 percent are opposed to Clinton amid questions about her use of a private e-mail server while she was secretary of state and doubts about her electability and longevity on the political stage.
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Sanders is also appealing to moderates and blue-collar workers in New Hampshire, which voted for U.S. Senator John Kerry over former Vermont Governor Howard Dean in the 2004 presidential primary, said Dante Scala, an associate professor of political science at the University of New Hampshire. “I think Sanders speaks more directly to their concerns than Clinton has been able to do,” Scala said. “Those blue-collar voters are especially willing to listen to a populist ‘us-versus-them’ type of message, and that’s resonating with them in a way that Clinton doesn’t.”
Female Sanders backers slam ‘insulting’ Clinton supporters who say they’re betraying their gender
Source: Yahoo
PORTSMOUTH, N.H. — Many women who showed up at a presidential campaign rally for Sen. Bernie Sanders, D-Vt., at Great Bay Community College on Sunday said they were insulted and “offended” by supporters of Hillary Clinton who have suggested it is somehow anti-feminist to back Sanders instead of Clinton’s quest to become the first female president.... Cokie Giles, a registered nurse from Bangor, Maine, who traveled to neighboring New Hampshire for the rally, said she does not appreciate being “herded along just because I’m a woman.”
“Well, I don’t want to think that I have to vote for a woman, being a woman, because there’s a woman running. They have to be who I would look at as … my best choice,” Giles said. “I’m not trashing Hillary. I’m just saying Bernie is the better of the choices. And I will get a chance to vote for a female president. I would like to see a female president, and there’s plenty out there that I would be very happy to do.”... Some of the women who attended the Sanders rally on Sunday had harsh words for Albright and Steinem. Eileen Frazier, an attorney who came to the event from Massachusetts, described Albright’s remark as “unbelievable.” ... Frazier seemed even more incensed about Steinem’s comments, which she deemed “insulting.”
“You mean women don’t have a brain, Gloria? I’m for Bernie because Bernie represents the people, not special interests. I certainly would never vote for Hillary just because she’s a woman. That’s insulting to my intellect,” Frazier explained, adding, “I’m an attorney. … I have a brain and I’m choosing the better candidate. I wasn’t a Playboy bunny.” ... “He supports women. He has not brought the Democratic Party to the right like she has,” Frazier said of Clinton.
Read more: https://www.yahoo.com/politics/women-who-support-bernie-sanders-respond-to-234239662.html
Clinton Or Sanders? Young Democrats Weigh In
Source: NPR
Primary season has officially begun. And as the presidential candidates campaign ahead of Tuesday's New Hampshire primary, both Republicans and Democrats are making big arguments in response to some big questions about their party's future. ... On supporting Bernie Sanders
Nicole Castillo: I think it was through my own journey of trying to figure out how to make systems change that I started to experience frustration with the system. Is the system working for my community? And so, as I come to {Clinton's} campaign now, I think about, is the system the only way in which we can make change? And might another narrative, perhaps the narrative of Bernie Sanders be one that would be more empowering to my community?
{Sanders} is driving a people-powered campaign. I think especially if you look at millennials and Latinos, we don't have exactly the best track record for voting. And I think that's often because we see the system isn't for us. And so, his narrative is one that {says} "Yes we are going to make system change, but it's going to take all of us."... Castillo: What people mean by {establishment} is more than having a career in politics. I think specifically they're referring to the amount of corporate money that she's receiving.
On Clinton giving paid speeches to Goldman Sachs ... Omara: There are many candidates who run for public office who've taken money for speeches. ... I could understand why some people would be concerned about that, but she took it to make a speech, as opposed to {Wall Street} donating $645,000 to your campaign so that you can be better on initiatives concerning Wall Street. That's the difference.
Read more: http://www.npr.org/2016/02/07/465774923/clinton-or-sanders-young-democrats-weigh-in
Facing New Hampshire loss, Clinton looks ahead to counter Sanders
Source: The Salt Lake Tribune
Concord, N.H. • With a victory seemingly out of reach in New Hampshire, Hillary Clinton is looking ahead to the next round of voting to reposition her campaign to counter the rising primary threat of insurgent Sen. Bernie Sanders.... Part of that strategy means cutting into the double-digit advantage that Sanders has enjoyed in New Hampshire for several months. Her aides fear that a huge win here will help him make headway among women and minority voters, two key blocs of the coalition that twice elected President Barack Obama. Sanders' strength with younger voters only heightens the threat he poses to what was once her decisive national lead.... But while Clinton has vowed to fight for every vote in New Hampshire, at least some of her operation is moving on. ... Clinton herself is planning on leaving the state for a quickly scheduled visit to Flint, Michigan, on Sunday, an unusual step for a candidate trailing in the polls here. ... In recent days, she's been using the state as a testing ground for new campaign messages targeted at specific demographic groups, alluding to her gender with vows to break "the highest and hardest glass ceiling" and promising young voters that she'd "be for them" even if they support Sanders.
On Saturday, Clinton said during a town hall meeting in Henniker that her proposals to address college affordability and to build upon Obama's health care law were superior to Sanders' approach. She also cast her plans as more fiscally responsible. "I think it's important that those of you who are trying to make this decision by Tuesday really look at whether the numbers add up because, you know, it matters," she said.
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Sanders, too, has been casting ahead, hoping to boost his profile among black voters who make up more than half of the South Carolina electorate. On Saturday night, he left the state for an appearance on NBC's "Saturday Night Live" with comedian Larry David, whose imitations of Sanders on the show have quickly gone viral.
The day before, his campaign scheduled a press conference to tout the endorsement of former NAACP president Ben Jealous. ... Jealous told reporters on a conference call that Sanders "has the courage to confront the institutionalized bias that stains our nation." ... Sanders backers believe that as African-Americans learn more about the Vermont senator, they will warm to his liberal message. ... "Before a few weeks ago, I never gave Bernie Sanders the time of day," said state Rep. Justin Bamberg, who recently switched his backing from Clinton. "But if you look at Sanders he has been solid as concrete with regards to his passion for racial, social and economic justice."
Read more: http://www.sltrib.com/home/3510760-155/story.html
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