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47. Absolutely. They are independent events. Because of what we did in Chile, in no way justifies the

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 08:14 AM

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alleged Russian interference in our election.

Our actions in Chile in the 70's were exposed, and it was widely reported in newspapers and books

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Michael Moore justifies Russia hacking of DNC because CIA helped overthrow Allende in 1973 [View all] estefanyo Dec 2017 OP

The KGB and CIA were in the manipulation of foreign governments well before Allende. roamer65 Dec 2017 #1

Exactly. tymorial Dec 2017 #121

Yup. Heres where there is TRULY blame on both sides. roamer65 Dec 2017 #135

Russia interfered in other countries long before 1973 delisen Dec 2017 #2

So did the US malaise Dec 2017 #12

Thank you for reminding us of all that. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #20

So we deserve Trump, huh? (American voters do no deserve this, no matter how much emulatorloo Dec 2017 #158

No, we don't deserve Trump. He wasn't saying that at all. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #172

+100 quartz007 Dec 2017 #178

and how does this relate Russia interfering in our election 2016? delisen Dec 2017 #64

Exactly! Its like he wants to say alls fair because someone else broke rules once so... bettyellen Dec 2017 #133

No. He's simply pointing out that our government displays no righteousness Ken Burch Dec 2017 #169

No righteousness? What kind of bizarre pseudo religious absolutist claptrap is that? bettyellen Dec 2017 #190

OK...we've done some good things in the world. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #191

And WE interfered in other countries long before that. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #21

That would be s o m e karma then, ananda Dec 2017 #30

And, there were Damn repubs in power Cha Dec 2017 #27

He wasn't blaming Dems for the overthrow of Allende. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #174

Roger and Me whathehell Dec 2017 #83

I did not say it was the only film I've seen, did I? delisen Dec 2017 #101

No whathehell Dec 2017 #103

It is the one I chose to share my reaction as viewer delisen Dec 2017 #126

Riiiight whathehell Dec 2017 #128

what a f**king idiot. still_one Dec 2017 #3

There's that.. Cha Dec 2017 #5

Hey Cha. This is no the first time Moore makes himself look like an ass. During the Women's march still_one Dec 2017 #36

Yeah, I remember that.. moore was seriously tone deaf.. Cha Dec 2017 #41

Jesus, Michael. This is the argument used by Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #143

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This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Dec 2017 #153

no, that was exposed decades ago by the Church commision, journalists, and books. What I am still_one Dec 2017 #160

100% agree Clarity2 Dec 2017 #163

Surprised he didn't blame Hillary. JNelson6563 Dec 2017 #4

Mahalos, Julie! Cha Dec 2017 #6

Back atcha Cha! JNelson6563 Dec 2017 #8

Nonsense.. whathehell Dec 2017 #102

Oh hey, no denying his great films JNelson6563 Dec 2017 #127

Lol whathehell Dec 2017 #131

"In your dreams honey"? JNelson6563 Jan 2018 #193

I thought so.. whathehell Jan 2018 #194

fuck him JI7 Dec 2017 #7

The Russians were pulling that kind of shit right along with us. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #9

Yes, they were, but that doesn't discredit his point. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #18

Sad but true. Still, the current situation offends much more than those old Russian and American PatrickforO Dec 2017 #28

It is not surprising that Russia would try to interfere. thesquanderer Dec 2017 #33

Excellent point, thesquanderer Cha Dec 2017 #35

Apparently it was surprising to many people. delisen Dec 2017 #105

And a Reagan made a deal w hostages... so hi did it too bettyellen Dec 2017 #132

And we were claiming, at least, to be treestar Dec 2017 #173

It is you who miss the point malaise Dec 2017 #10

Yes exactly Raine Dec 2017 #14

Precisely malaise Dec 2017 #16

Yes, he did not attempt to justify anything. G_j Dec 2017 #57

Michael Moore & Donald Trump delisen Dec 2017 #114

Trump actually was round aboutly justifying Russian interference G_j Dec 2017 #150

Exactly Owl Dec 2017 #85

Yes ornotna Dec 2017 #94

You nailed it malaise Dec 2017 #96

Seems lately lots of posts "misinterpretating" what liberals say. False posts. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #99

Divide and rule malaise Dec 2017 #119

Maybe well-meaning liberals should avoid engaging in Whataboutisms emulatorloo Dec 2017 #164

+1 2naSalit Dec 2017 #117

The US should stop supporting coups and regime change. David__77 Dec 2017 #155

Amen. shanny Dec 2017 #185

How about the Iranian coup in 1953? bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #11

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh malaise Dec 2017 #13

It is the collective failure to acknowledge the truth that brought us where we are today. suffragette Dec 2017 #165

Very well said malaise Dec 2017 #168

Happy New Year back at ya, sis! suffragette Dec 2017 #181

One where we teamed up with the masters of this stuff, the British. roamer65 Dec 2017 #136

Building an empire bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #188

What a guy. nocalflea Dec 2017 #15

"My country, right or wrong." shanny Dec 2017 #22

How binary. Ugh. nocalflea Dec 2017 #39

"Whatabout giving a fuck shanny Dec 2017 #49

+1000!! Kudos! KPN Dec 2017 #115

... shanny Dec 2017 #118

If you don't give a damn about the rights of citizens in sovereign countries malaise Dec 2017 #56

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You ought to research some of MLK Jr.s statements on US foreign policy G_j Dec 2017 #59

Where is ol Senator Henry Jackson when we need him? roamer65 Dec 2017 #137

He wasn't justifying what Putin did at all. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #17

Excellent post malaise Dec 2017 #25

Thank you Achilleaze Dec 2017 #31

Actully he was saying the Russians got their ideas about interferring in foreign elections from still_one Dec 2017 #38

Excellent point. John Fante Dec 2017 #60

He's campaigned for Dems since then Ken Burch Dec 2017 #175

Thats kind of the point- he swings all over the place- doing damage then trying to undo it like a bettyellen Dec 2017 #192

ONE REC is all you need to know about this shockingly WRONG interpretation. Up is down? Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #97

Thank you for your intelligent post OhioBlue Dec 2017 #154

Y'know, pointing out that our hands shanny Dec 2017 #19

Absolutely. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #23

The first step towars fixing a problem is acknowledging that there is one malaise Dec 2017 #26

Acknowledging a poblem is one thing, but implying that the Russinas got the idea of interferring still_one Dec 2017 #40

Fair point. Does it destroy shanny Dec 2017 #58

Fuck "whining".. whathehell Dec 2017 #88

Have a good day. shanny Dec 2017 #100

You too! whathehell Dec 2017 #104

It isn't the "I told you so", because Moore isn't really stating something that isn't known, still_one Dec 2017 #142

I agree with you in regarding to exposing/investigating our misdeeds, working to prevent future still_one Dec 2017 #138

Elections do set directions, but it seems to me shanny Dec 2017 #147

Books and movies....Has no one here seen "Missing"? whathehell Dec 2017 #87

Sure. Coup was in Chile, btw, Sept 11, 1973. shanny Dec 2017 #106

Right...Great film -- Terrible aituation whathehell Dec 2017 #108

I remember it well. It was an excellent movie shanny Dec 2017 #116

the Russians were learning from the US/West.... tomp Dec 2017 #98

Russian Power Players Led Their Revolution astray. delisen Dec 2017 #125

Are you aware that the US and Britain invaded Russia after WW1? Kentonio Dec 2017 #145

Thank you for reminding me. I had indeed forgotten n/t delisen Dec 2017 #157

I'd like to fix the Russian problem-because it's happening now. delisen Dec 2017 #95

whoosh A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2017 #24

I know, right ornotna Dec 2017 #167

It is also a case of people being unable or unwilling A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2017 #189

Interesting thread. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #29

nixon and kissinger were in power Cha Dec 2017 #32

There is no question major bludners in our foreign policy occurred, and it involved our interference still_one Dec 2017 #43

Well said, still_one! Cha Dec 2017 #50

All true Cha. This is typical Moore trying to call attention to himself still_one Dec 2017 #51

Yep.. and thank you Cha Dec 2017 #52

Will Moore the courage to confront King Putin and his vassal Trump? delisen Dec 2017 #130

This! mcar Dec 2017 #107

Yes, guess which party is in power when it happens treestar Dec 2017 #171

Yeah, mm's tweet is totally Cha Dec 2017 #176

Fwiw shanny Dec 2017 #187

IMO, the OP misinterpreted Moore's response nitpicker Dec 2017 #34

Correct...and Michael Moore doesn't need to "call attention to himself" whathehell Dec 2017 #91

Regardless whether it's ethical every intelligence agency interferes where they will. TexasProgresive Dec 2017 #37

We may have done the same things. So what? Vogon_Glory Dec 2017 #42

Absolutely. They are independent events. Because of what we did in Chile, in no way justifies the still_one Dec 2017 #47

Not "may." "Did." shanny Dec 2017 #55

Im not disputing US meddling in Chile and other places Vogon_Glory Dec 2017 #67

I'm with you there! shanny Dec 2017 #68

We don't. whathehell Dec 2017 #89

+1, such an overt straw man uponit7771 Dec 2017 #112

The USA assassinates foreign leaders, we dont stoop to reading their mail Cicada Dec 2017 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #134

He's not justifying anything. He's simply pointing out the fact that this happened. Squinch Dec 2017 #45

If America does it, it isnt a crime Cicada Dec 2017 #46

The Church Committee exposed the nefarious activities in U.S. foreign policy, and it was President still_one Dec 2017 #48

I agree, both Russia and the USA were wrong Cicada Dec 2017 #65

Not sure that he's "justifying" it.. whathehell Dec 2017 #53

Yeah, I figured as much. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #54

The Reagan Democrats agree. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #70

Agree with what? GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #74

With the OP and the love it or leave it mentality Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #75

Yes, but I wasn't trying to argue that he isn't correct. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #84

I was agreeing wth you. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #122

Okie dokie. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #144

Yup. Completely predictable who'd agree with this bullshit too Arazi Dec 2017 #82

ITT, Dita Beard, contributions to the RNC. 21st Century politics in the 20th. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #61

that's not justifying any such thing fishwax Dec 2017 #62

Uh... welcome to DU. klook Dec 2017 #63

As usual mm speaks truth.. may not like it but it's truth dembotoz Dec 2017 #66

What truth? This was known and exposed decades ago by the Church Commission, the media, and still_one Dec 2017 #146

Obviously I respect mm more than u dembotoz Dec 2017 #148

Welcome Back to DU! RandiFan1290 Dec 2017 #69

Yep. Squinch Dec 2017 #72

fuck him and trump. stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #71

He's a clown. An total ass. A complete fraud. I can't stand him. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #73

Totally agree! justhanginon Dec 2017 #80

I lulz'd KG Dec 2017 #76

o/t salin Dec 2017 #78

and to you! KG Dec 2017 #90

More divisive nonsense. jalan48 Dec 2017 #79

Welcome to DU-interesting journal you have. bronxiteforever Dec 2017 #81

Yeah, cool sources, too. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #86

+1 nt Snotcicles Dec 2017 #124

Fact is, we've interfere with a lot of elections. Russia just did it better and we weren't prepared Hoyt Dec 2017 #92

The Kremlin Left speaks again. nt jrthin Dec 2017 #93

Who is the Kremlin left? ornotna Dec 2017 #109

Lol..Some people here who think Progressives and "the Left" whathehell Dec 2017 #111

from what i gather, those that don't genuflect at the mere mention of the dem party. KG Dec 2017 #113

I stole the usage of this term from jrthin Dec 2017 #123

And you think Michael Moore "seems" to support Russia? ornotna Dec 2017 #166

A dream of new McCarthyites. David__77 Dec 2017 #152

Did you come to DU recently to sow KPN Dec 2017 #110

The correct answer Michael Moore is the Soviets tymorial Dec 2017 #120

OFCS, can't you make up something more interesting, like Michael Moore goes on shooting rampage. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #129

Typical JPR style worldview BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #139

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The real question. roamer65 Dec 2017 #141

I think its fine to clearly condemn US interference. David__77 Dec 2017 #151

+1 MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #183

Karma Porn peggysue2 Dec 2017 #156

Thank you MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #184

You're welcome peggysue2 Dec 2017 #186

Textbook case of Whataboutism propaganda technique. Americans dont deserve a Putin puppet emulatorloo Dec 2017 #159

Going to pretend the KGB wasn't a thing now? Bradical79 Dec 2017 #161

American involvement in the thbobby Dec 2017 #162

That's not what he said. tenderfoot Dec 2017 #170

Whataboutism serves as a distraction. Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #177

We overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in the early 1950's ... left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #179

Two wrongs... IluvPitties Dec 2017 #180

How come we don't get the' whataboutisms' when it comes to Israel JI7 Dec 2017 #182

So if we're discussing Chile '73 we also have to discuss Ethiopia '74, right?? Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #195

Henry K's baby-glad we don't have any Democrats that cotton to Henry. jalan48 Jan 2018 #196

Bye, troll. nt RandiFan1290 Jan 2018 #197

Hardly knew ye, poor disruptor ... A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2018 #198