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162. American involvement in the

Sun Dec 31, 2017, 03:26 PM

Dec 2017

Overthrow of the democratically elected Prime Minister Mohammad Mosaddegh in favor of strengthening the monarchical rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi on 19 August 1953.

Russia's hands are not clean of interfering in the democratic process, BUT America also has dirty hands. This is just one example, but there are many others. We would do well to remember them and own them because other countries have not forgotten.

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Michael Moore justifies Russia hacking of DNC because CIA helped overthrow Allende in 1973 [View all] estefanyo Dec 2017 OP

The KGB and CIA were in the manipulation of foreign governments well before Allende. roamer65 Dec 2017 #1

Exactly. tymorial Dec 2017 #121

Yup. Heres where there is TRULY blame on both sides. roamer65 Dec 2017 #135

Russia interfered in other countries long before 1973 delisen Dec 2017 #2

So did the US malaise Dec 2017 #12

Thank you for reminding us of all that. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #20

So we deserve Trump, huh? (American voters do no deserve this, no matter how much emulatorloo Dec 2017 #158

No, we don't deserve Trump. He wasn't saying that at all. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #172

+100 quartz007 Dec 2017 #178

and how does this relate Russia interfering in our election 2016? delisen Dec 2017 #64

Exactly! Its like he wants to say alls fair because someone else broke rules once so... bettyellen Dec 2017 #133

No. He's simply pointing out that our government displays no righteousness Ken Burch Dec 2017 #169

No righteousness? What kind of bizarre pseudo religious absolutist claptrap is that? bettyellen Dec 2017 #190

OK...we've done some good things in the world. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #191

And WE interfered in other countries long before that. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #21

That would be s o m e karma then, ananda Dec 2017 #30

And, there were Damn repubs in power Cha Dec 2017 #27

He wasn't blaming Dems for the overthrow of Allende. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #174

Roger and Me whathehell Dec 2017 #83

I did not say it was the only film I've seen, did I? delisen Dec 2017 #101

No whathehell Dec 2017 #103

It is the one I chose to share my reaction as viewer delisen Dec 2017 #126

Riiiight whathehell Dec 2017 #128

what a f**king idiot. still_one Dec 2017 #3

There's that.. Cha Dec 2017 #5

Hey Cha. This is no the first time Moore makes himself look like an ass. During the Women's march still_one Dec 2017 #36

Yeah, I remember that.. moore was seriously tone deaf.. Cha Dec 2017 #41

Jesus, Michael. This is the argument used by Eliot Rosewater Dec 2017 #143

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author David__77 Dec 2017 #153

no, that was exposed decades ago by the Church commision, journalists, and books. What I am still_one Dec 2017 #160

100% agree Clarity2 Dec 2017 #163

Surprised he didn't blame Hillary. JNelson6563 Dec 2017 #4

Mahalos, Julie! Cha Dec 2017 #6

Back atcha Cha! JNelson6563 Dec 2017 #8

Nonsense.. whathehell Dec 2017 #102

Oh hey, no denying his great films JNelson6563 Dec 2017 #127

Lol whathehell Dec 2017 #131

"In your dreams honey"? JNelson6563 Jan 2018 #193

I thought so.. whathehell Jan 2018 #194

fuck him JI7 Dec 2017 #7

The Russians were pulling that kind of shit right along with us. Crunchy Frog Dec 2017 #9

Yes, they were, but that doesn't discredit his point. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #18

Sad but true. Still, the current situation offends much more than those old Russian and American PatrickforO Dec 2017 #28

It is not surprising that Russia would try to interfere. thesquanderer Dec 2017 #33

Excellent point, thesquanderer Cha Dec 2017 #35

Apparently it was surprising to many people. delisen Dec 2017 #105

And a Reagan made a deal w hostages... so hi did it too bettyellen Dec 2017 #132

And we were claiming, at least, to be treestar Dec 2017 #173

It is you who miss the point malaise Dec 2017 #10

Yes exactly Raine Dec 2017 #14

Precisely malaise Dec 2017 #16

Yes, he did not attempt to justify anything. G_j Dec 2017 #57

Michael Moore & Donald Trump delisen Dec 2017 #114

Trump actually was round aboutly justifying Russian interference G_j Dec 2017 #150

Exactly Owl Dec 2017 #85

Yes ornotna Dec 2017 #94

You nailed it malaise Dec 2017 #96

Seems lately lots of posts "misinterpretating" what liberals say. False posts. Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #99

Divide and rule malaise Dec 2017 #119

Maybe well-meaning liberals should avoid engaging in Whataboutisms emulatorloo Dec 2017 #164

+1 2naSalit Dec 2017 #117

The US should stop supporting coups and regime change. David__77 Dec 2017 #155

Amen. shanny Dec 2017 #185

How about the Iranian coup in 1953? bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #11

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh malaise Dec 2017 #13

It is the collective failure to acknowledge the truth that brought us where we are today. suffragette Dec 2017 #165

Very well said malaise Dec 2017 #168

Happy New Year back at ya, sis! suffragette Dec 2017 #181

One where we teamed up with the masters of this stuff, the British. roamer65 Dec 2017 #136

Building an empire bathroommonkey76 Dec 2017 #188

What a guy. nocalflea Dec 2017 #15

"My country, right or wrong." shanny Dec 2017 #22

How binary. Ugh. nocalflea Dec 2017 #39

"Whatabout giving a fuck shanny Dec 2017 #49

+1000!! Kudos! KPN Dec 2017 #115

... shanny Dec 2017 #118

If you don't give a damn about the rights of citizens in sovereign countries malaise Dec 2017 #56

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You ought to research some of MLK Jr.s statements on US foreign policy G_j Dec 2017 #59

Where is ol Senator Henry Jackson when we need him? roamer65 Dec 2017 #137

He wasn't justifying what Putin did at all. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #17

Excellent post malaise Dec 2017 #25

Thank you Achilleaze Dec 2017 #31

Actully he was saying the Russians got their ideas about interferring in foreign elections from still_one Dec 2017 #38

Excellent point. John Fante Dec 2017 #60

He's campaigned for Dems since then Ken Burch Dec 2017 #175

Thats kind of the point- he swings all over the place- doing damage then trying to undo it like a bettyellen Dec 2017 #192

ONE REC is all you need to know about this shockingly WRONG interpretation. Up is down? Fred Sanders Dec 2017 #97

Thank you for your intelligent post OhioBlue Dec 2017 #154

Y'know, pointing out that our hands shanny Dec 2017 #19

Absolutely. Ken Burch Dec 2017 #23

The first step towars fixing a problem is acknowledging that there is one malaise Dec 2017 #26

Acknowledging a poblem is one thing, but implying that the Russinas got the idea of interferring still_one Dec 2017 #40

Fair point. Does it destroy shanny Dec 2017 #58

Fuck "whining".. whathehell Dec 2017 #88

Have a good day. shanny Dec 2017 #100

You too! whathehell Dec 2017 #104

It isn't the "I told you so", because Moore isn't really stating something that isn't known, still_one Dec 2017 #142

I agree with you in regarding to exposing/investigating our misdeeds, working to prevent future still_one Dec 2017 #138

Elections do set directions, but it seems to me shanny Dec 2017 #147

Books and movies....Has no one here seen "Missing"? whathehell Dec 2017 #87

Sure. Coup was in Chile, btw, Sept 11, 1973. shanny Dec 2017 #106

Right...Great film -- Terrible aituation whathehell Dec 2017 #108

I remember it well. It was an excellent movie shanny Dec 2017 #116

the Russians were learning from the US/West.... tomp Dec 2017 #98

Russian Power Players Led Their Revolution astray. delisen Dec 2017 #125

Are you aware that the US and Britain invaded Russia after WW1? Kentonio Dec 2017 #145

Thank you for reminding me. I had indeed forgotten n/t delisen Dec 2017 #157

I'd like to fix the Russian problem-because it's happening now. delisen Dec 2017 #95

whoosh A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2017 #24

I know, right ornotna Dec 2017 #167

It is also a case of people being unable or unwilling A-Schwarzenegger Dec 2017 #189

Interesting thread. PatrickforO Dec 2017 #29

nixon and kissinger were in power Cha Dec 2017 #32

There is no question major bludners in our foreign policy occurred, and it involved our interference still_one Dec 2017 #43

Well said, still_one! Cha Dec 2017 #50

All true Cha. This is typical Moore trying to call attention to himself still_one Dec 2017 #51

Yep.. and thank you Cha Dec 2017 #52

Will Moore the courage to confront King Putin and his vassal Trump? delisen Dec 2017 #130

This! mcar Dec 2017 #107

Yes, guess which party is in power when it happens treestar Dec 2017 #171

Yeah, mm's tweet is totally Cha Dec 2017 #176

Fwiw shanny Dec 2017 #187

IMO, the OP misinterpreted Moore's response nitpicker Dec 2017 #34

Correct...and Michael Moore doesn't need to "call attention to himself" whathehell Dec 2017 #91

Regardless whether it's ethical every intelligence agency interferes where they will. TexasProgresive Dec 2017 #37

We may have done the same things. So what? Vogon_Glory Dec 2017 #42

Absolutely. They are independent events. Because of what we did in Chile, in no way justifies the still_one Dec 2017 #47

Not "may." "Did." shanny Dec 2017 #55

Im not disputing US meddling in Chile and other places Vogon_Glory Dec 2017 #67

I'm with you there! shanny Dec 2017 #68

We don't. whathehell Dec 2017 #89

+1, such an overt straw man uponit7771 Dec 2017 #112

The USA assassinates foreign leaders, we dont stoop to reading their mail Cicada Dec 2017 #44

This message was self-deleted by its author BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #134

He's not justifying anything. He's simply pointing out the fact that this happened. Squinch Dec 2017 #45

If America does it, it isnt a crime Cicada Dec 2017 #46

The Church Committee exposed the nefarious activities in U.S. foreign policy, and it was President still_one Dec 2017 #48

I agree, both Russia and the USA were wrong Cicada Dec 2017 #65

Not sure that he's "justifying" it.. whathehell Dec 2017 #53

Yeah, I figured as much. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #54

The Reagan Democrats agree. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #70

Agree with what? GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #74

With the OP and the love it or leave it mentality Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #75

Yes, but I wasn't trying to argue that he isn't correct. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #84

I was agreeing wth you. Hassin Bin Sober Dec 2017 #122

Okie dokie. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #144

Yup. Completely predictable who'd agree with this bullshit too Arazi Dec 2017 #82

ITT, Dita Beard, contributions to the RNC. 21st Century politics in the 20th. n/t rzemanfl Dec 2017 #61

that's not justifying any such thing fishwax Dec 2017 #62

Uh... welcome to DU. klook Dec 2017 #63

As usual mm speaks truth.. may not like it but it's truth dembotoz Dec 2017 #66

What truth? This was known and exposed decades ago by the Church Commission, the media, and still_one Dec 2017 #146

Obviously I respect mm more than u dembotoz Dec 2017 #148

Welcome Back to DU! RandiFan1290 Dec 2017 #69

Yep. Squinch Dec 2017 #72

fuck him and trump. stonecutter357 Dec 2017 #71

He's a clown. An total ass. A complete fraud. I can't stand him. NurseJackie Dec 2017 #73

Totally agree! justhanginon Dec 2017 #80

I lulz'd KG Dec 2017 #76

o/t salin Dec 2017 #78

and to you! KG Dec 2017 #90

More divisive nonsense. jalan48 Dec 2017 #79

Welcome to DU-interesting journal you have. bronxiteforever Dec 2017 #81

Yeah, cool sources, too. GoCubsGo Dec 2017 #86

+1 nt Snotcicles Dec 2017 #124

Fact is, we've interfere with a lot of elections. Russia just did it better and we weren't prepared Hoyt Dec 2017 #92

The Kremlin Left speaks again. nt jrthin Dec 2017 #93

Who is the Kremlin left? ornotna Dec 2017 #109

Lol..Some people here who think Progressives and "the Left" whathehell Dec 2017 #111

from what i gather, those that don't genuflect at the mere mention of the dem party. KG Dec 2017 #113

I stole the usage of this term from jrthin Dec 2017 #123

And you think Michael Moore "seems" to support Russia? ornotna Dec 2017 #166

A dream of new McCarthyites. David__77 Dec 2017 #152

Did you come to DU recently to sow KPN Dec 2017 #110

The correct answer Michael Moore is the Soviets tymorial Dec 2017 #120

OFCS, can't you make up something more interesting, like Michael Moore goes on shooting rampage. L. Coyote Dec 2017 #129

Typical JPR style worldview BannonsLiver Dec 2017 #139

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2017 #140

The real question. roamer65 Dec 2017 #141

I think its fine to clearly condemn US interference. David__77 Dec 2017 #151

+1 MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #183

Karma Porn peggysue2 Dec 2017 #156

Thank you MustLoveBeagles Dec 2017 #184

You're welcome peggysue2 Dec 2017 #186

Textbook case of Whataboutism propaganda technique. Americans dont deserve a Putin puppet emulatorloo Dec 2017 #159

Going to pretend the KGB wasn't a thing now? Bradical79 Dec 2017 #161

American involvement in the thbobby Dec 2017 #162

That's not what he said. tenderfoot Dec 2017 #170

Whataboutism serves as a distraction. Sneederbunk Dec 2017 #177

We overthrew the democratically elected government of Iran in the early 1950's ... left-of-center2012 Dec 2017 #179

Two wrongs... IluvPitties Dec 2017 #180

How come we don't get the' whataboutisms' when it comes to Israel JI7 Dec 2017 #182

So if we're discussing Chile '73 we also have to discuss Ethiopia '74, right?? Blue_Tires Jan 2018 #195

Henry K's baby-glad we don't have any Democrats that cotton to Henry. jalan48 Jan 2018 #196

Bye, troll. nt RandiFan1290 Jan 2018 #197

Hardly knew ye, poor disruptor ... A-Schwarzenegger Jan 2018 #198