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28. Thanks for the analysis. Your reasoning seems sound.

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Mon Jan 22, 2018, 03:37 PM

Jan 2018

Mainly, CHIP is off the table and we can focus entirely on DACA now.

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Why I think the Democrats played this pretty well [View all] scheming daemons Jan 2018 OP

The armchair strategists won't agree with you... brooklynite Jan 2018 #1

That's because they think that anything short of 100% victory is failure. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #2

I don't think it's even "victory"... brooklynite Jan 2018 #3

Exactly shenmue Jan 2018 #108

Ditto Iliyah Jan 2018 #70

I am so glad you have some peace MaryMagdaline Jan 2018 #114

I agree. While I don't trust McConnell as far as I can throw a grand piano, The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #4

+1 ginnyinWI Jan 2018 #14

Plus one more. lsewpershad Jan 2018 #50

+10000000000000000000000000000000000000 Faux pas Jan 2018 #84

chip was never off the table burnbaby Jan 2018 #5

And Democrats had to balance shutting down the Government vs the noble act of standing up for OnDoutside Jan 2018 #6

I agree completely. Getting CHIP funded for 6 OhioBlue Jan 2018 #7

Yep. Get a vote on military funding Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #29

Mitch McConnell is on camera shutting her down. Pretty good commercial -- for Claire. nt Hekate Jan 2018 #124

I think you are correct mcar Jan 2018 #8

This is just how I saw it. Get something for very little. bullimiami Jan 2018 #9

+1. CHIP for 6 years is a big deal. n/t FSogol Jan 2018 #10

The longer this drug out the worse it would have been for Ds Cosmocat Jan 2018 #11

And Now DownriverDem Jan 2018 #25

so my question. Is chips a done deal NOW or can it be brought up if revisited in 3 weeks? bluestarone Jan 2018 #12

Still need a House vote on this bill... Wounded Bear Jan 2018 #24

No DownriverDem Jan 2018 #26

done deal. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #91

Republicans also got CHIP off their plate bucolic_frolic Jan 2018 #13

Short term positive and probably cannot be leveraged again Raven123 Jan 2018 #16

Hope they have to explain why it expired in Oct and waited until mid Jan bigbrother05 Jan 2018 #18

But that's expecting the goppers to be able to keep more than one concept in their heads erronis Jan 2018 #39

I agree ... CHIP being off the table is a biggie. Greywing Jan 2018 #15

interesting assessment-I hope you are right VaBchTgerLily Jan 2018 #17

K & R SunSeeker Jan 2018 #19

Agreed. This was sound tactical maneuvering by Schumer et al... TygrBright Jan 2018 #20

Trump will not sign a DACA bill. Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #21

You are probably correct... which gives the Dems a giant club for '18 midterms to use.... scheming daemons Jan 2018 #22

And how many of them will get deported before then? Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #35

What's your point? MGKrebs Jan 2018 #38

He would have had to sign it eventually Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #40

The GOP doesn't care if the government is shutdown. They never have. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #43

Ah. That's different than " Trump will not sign a DACA bill.Period." MGKrebs Jan 2018 #51

He won't now, Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #55

Virtually every headline says "Dems agree". That's a good place to be. MGKrebs Jan 2018 #56

If he blocks it again, Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #58

No he wouldn't sign it. He is determined. Trump is not ever going to sign a DACA bill so unless Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #92

The Democrats have absolutely *ZERO* control over that. You're right, they're not bargaining chips. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #41

Yes we did, as long as the government stayed shut down. Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #46

We didn't give up that bargaining position. The deal only opens the government until Feb 8. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #47

In a political atmosphere with the people we are dealing with, Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #49

On Feb 8th, we'll be back exactly where we were on Jan 19.... but with one big exception.... scheming daemons Jan 2018 #54

Unlees a DACA person get railroaded on a murder charge, Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #57

What, in this deal, increases the odds of *ANY* of those things from happening before Feb 8? scheming daemons Jan 2018 #59

The odds don't need to be increased. Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #61

Correct. Dems were hostage negotiators dealing with a madman who took two hostages..... scheming daemons Jan 2018 #69

Use your game theory. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #62

If you kept it shut down long enough to start Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #64

That option exists Feb 8. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #67

Did not McConnell's "promise" specifically provide that it was conditioned on Atticus Jan 2018 #60

Good point. n/t Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #65

If they have not made a deal by the time designated than then McConnell has lied so all bets are Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #94

Then all we can do is vote Republicans out of office. yardwork Jan 2018 #48

one caveat to that (well, two) shanny Jan 2018 #106

I would agree, but Mr.Bill Jan 2018 #109

Agree totally Thekaspervote Jan 2018 #23

I'm tending to agree with you. PatrickforO Jan 2018 #27

Nearly half the public Hayduke Bomgarte Jan 2018 #32

Thanks for the analysis. Your reasoning seems sound. mainer Jan 2018 #28

A vote is promised, for what that is worth. guillaumeb Jan 2018 #30

Good point...they stopped having budgets after the GOP took the house in 10. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #95

well put. I agree. barbtries Jan 2018 #31

Agree Joediss Jan 2018 #68

wow, I'm in NC barbtries Jan 2018 #71

Fascist Joediss Jan 2018 #111

I pretty much agree with all of this. McConnell and other republicans are clearly documented... George II Jan 2018 #33

In my view, this was a big loss for the Democrats. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #34

You're wrong, and here's why. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #37

I really like and appreciate your application of Game Theory The Mouth Jan 2018 #80

It will cause cheering among their 35% hard base... but will crater them among the "middle" scheming daemons Jan 2018 #81

You're wrong and here's why. Atticus Jan 2018 #82

You're not dealing with the reality in which we exist scheming daemons Jan 2018 #83

Thanks for your courtesy. We disagree about methods, not goals. My "reality" includes coloring Atticus Jan 2018 #85

+1. nt Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #100

I'm seeing it already on tv. The Dem's "resistance" against the budget worked... Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #99

That makes two of us. nt Atticus Jan 2018 #63

The Dems were being blamed. And Schumer got what he could. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #96

The Dems were NOT being blamed collectively by most people. But they are now. Honeycombe8 Jan 2018 #102

Good summation of how I feel about the shutdown and reopening. Lanius Jan 2018 #36

I don't think we played it well but it probably doesn't matter Awsi Dooger Jan 2018 #42

Dems lost 3 weeks and 2000 Dreamers will lose status between now and Feb 8 Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #44

Those dreamers would've lost their status regardless of this deal. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #45

I agree, and for those who allowed Trump in office: this is your fault. yardwork Jan 2018 #52

Yes. Thank you. Silver Gaia Jan 2018 #88

+1000 Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #101

i agree plus they have to prove they arent welchers.. samnsara Jan 2018 #53

We're just lucky that McConnell blinked. paulkienitz Jan 2018 #66

Had a fantasy about shutdown ruining Mango Unchained's SOTU address, but bullwinkle428 Jan 2018 #72

Thanks for the summary; I feel a bit more optimism. lagomorph777 Jan 2018 #73

We got rolled ollie10 Jan 2018 #74

What did the GOP get in today's deal? scheming daemons Jan 2018 #75

They now know we will cave the next time too ollie10 Jan 2018 #76

I didn't believe the Rs would pass DACA before today. Or that Trump would sign it. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #77

so you don't care about the people involved, they are just pawns in a political game to you? ollie10 Jan 2018 #97

What makes you think they ever would have? Sad that we are in this position...If Clinton had won, Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #103

They forced Dem's to show their cards on shutdown support. Which they now know harun Jan 2018 #122

I negotiate for a living and I agree with your analysis Gothmog Jan 2018 #78

Some prominent Senators disagree with you zipplewrath Jan 2018 #79

It is posturing by those who want to run for President in 2020. And that's ok. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #90

posturing...for the primary. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #104

McConnell doesn't have to renege customerserviceguy Jan 2018 #86

It was ChIP VS DACA...didn't you watch the coverage? Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #105

Hopefully this works out. People like Merkley and Feinstein disagree with you and OliverQ Jan 2018 #87

Ok angrychair Jan 2018 #89

I don't think we will get DACA... and that is the truth. The GOP is not going to do it. Demsrule86 Jan 2018 #107

From Ezra Klein Gothmog Jan 2018 #93

From Prof. Krugman Gothmog Jan 2018 #98

BS flying-skeleton Jan 2018 #110

The GOP has a talent for taking bi-partisan or non-partisan policy positions (CHIP or DACA) and wiggs Jan 2018 #112

This times a thousand hueymahl Jan 2018 #120

The Dems played this perfectly. Nitram Jan 2018 #113

In sales or debates the best result is when you win but the other side is laughing on the way out grantcart Jan 2018 #115

I agree! I think McConnell senses that their position is weaker than the paper tigers believe. BobTheSubgenius Jan 2018 #116

The problem with the idea we won or did well is c-ville rook Jan 2018 #117

or maybe we were rolled again... JohnnyA Jan 2018 #118

Took the Tea Party House members all of 24 hours pecosbob Jan 2018 #119

McConnell could go ahead with a DACA vote in 5 minutes if he was really for it. harun Jan 2018 #121

Absolutely correct c-ville rook Jan 2018 #123