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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts) Mon Jan 22, 2018, 05:12 PM Jan 2018

If you believe the Dems were "weak" and "caved" today, please enumerate the things the GOP gained [View all]

I can list only one:

- The government will be open for the next 3 weeks.

84% of the public is against DACA recipients being deported. Does the GOP gain ANYTHING by allowing that to happen beginning on March 5th (if they don't make a DACA deal)? No. They just make the Big Blue Wave (tm) even bigger.

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If you believe the Dems were "weak" and "caved" today, please enumerate the things the GOP gained [View all] scheming daemons Jan 2018 OP

Name one thing WE gained ollie10 Jan 2018 #1

9 million poor children getting their health insurance back. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #4

Weren't they offering that before though? Pelosi Luciferous Jan 2018 #6

6 years gets us to early 2024. When there would be (hopefully) a Dem congress and President. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #9

But it's not any different than what they were offered on Friday. The Democrats caved- again. Luciferous Jan 2018 #49

Yes it is. On Friday, we didn't have McConnell on the record... giving us a hammer for February 8. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #51

McConnell won't keep his word. Look what he did to Flake and Collins. And even if Luciferous Jan 2018 #53

Whether he does or doesn't is not the point scheming daemons Jan 2018 #55

Doesn't matter EffieBlack Jan 2018 #70

Yes. They decided not to die on that sword: so it wasn't worth much lindysalsagal Jan 2018 #60

Thank You! EffieBlack Jan 2018 #69

They Were.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2018 #33

That's what I thought. This just makes us look weak. Luciferous Jan 2018 #50

But now it's off the table and can't be used EffieBlack Jan 2018 #68

Oh really? wasn't that part of the deal we filibustered anyway? ollie10 Jan 2018 #67

The government being reopened is a good thing for everybody. The Velveteen Ocelot Jan 2018 #2

the basic question is was there any chance of the GOP giving in on DACA to the degree we wanted? Eliot Rosewater Jan 2018 #3

That's absolutely correct customerserviceguy Jan 2018 #41

Trump team is sending out fundraising mail saying Dems caved. OliverQ Jan 2018 #5

Every take in your post is wrong. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #7

I don't think this will hurt enthusiasm and turnout. murielm99 Jan 2018 #17

I also just found out Repubs snuck in more tax cuts into this bill. OliverQ Jan 2018 #21

And we should give a crap leftynyc Jan 2018 #27

.. Cha Jan 2018 #46

Well, if Trump team says it, it must be true ... EffieBlack Jan 2018 #71

That wasn't my point. Clearly I know they're liars. OliverQ Jan 2018 #75

As soon as I saw that an agreement had been reached treestar Jan 2018 #8

+100000 murielm99 Jan 2018 #18

And usually ones with low post counts nt maryellen99 Jan 2018 #31

They started at about 12o1 sheshe2 Jan 2018 #56

You bet, she treestar Jan 2018 #57

Eyup EffieBlack Jan 2018 #72

The GOP Regained Ccarmona Jan 2018 #10

There was no situation that would've caused the GOP to pass DACA to end the shutdown. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #14

Taking McConnell's word is a very risky gamble. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #11

Any such headlines are wrong. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #15

Maybe so, but the fact is it's out there. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #20

Schumer doesn't trust him. That's the point. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #22

This! mcar Jan 2018 #34

Exactly! EffieBlack Jan 2018 #73

Doesn't matter if they're wrong, it's what people say and believe. OliverQ Jan 2018 #23

On Feb 8th, all will be clear. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #24

He needed clubbing NOW. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #25

We got 9 million hostages released NOW. The clubbing will be there on Feb 8 scheming daemons Jan 2018 #28

Do you think there will be a "clean" vote on DACA? TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #37

There will be... or there won't be. Exact same situation as a week ago. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #39

And if DACA doesn't pass TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #40

They are chess pieces we have no capability to protect. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #43

Good luck trusting McConnell. TheCowsCameHome Jan 2018 #45

I don't trust McConnell. That's the point. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #48

I know some of those "Chess Pieces" atreides1 Jan 2018 #76

Reopening the government didn't change that possibility one iota. EffieBlack Jan 2018 #74

Ya think? Thunderbeast Jan 2018 #63

Even if they are "winning" so what? Most people don't care about that Bradshaw3 Jan 2018 #52

He would be publicly going back on his word treestar Jan 2018 #58

Rs gained the knowledge that Ds dont really have the moral courage to fight for DACA Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #12

If DACA doesn't happen, it won't hurt the Dems one bit in November. But it will crush the GOP. scheming daemons Jan 2018 #16

Ya think that? Ok. Nanjeanne Jan 2018 #26

Yes, it will hurt Dems. TDale313 Jan 2018 #30

A minority party in both chambers can literally do *NOTHING* to stop deportations.... *NOTHING* scheming daemons Jan 2018 #38

Pretty Much.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2018 #36

DACA pamdb Jan 2018 #13

one thing that gives me hope, despite what you say about Trump's voters not giving a rat's ass... renate Jan 2018 #61

It's a narrative that won't stick. LanternWaste Jan 2018 #19

Dont the rethugs have a retreat first week of February? Gin Jan 2018 #29

Well According To Some Democrats.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2018 #32

This Freethinker65 Jan 2018 #44

Exactly.... LovingA2andMI Jan 2018 #47

The Cons can no longer play the John Fante Jan 2018 #35

Took a peak at Conservative Daily LyndaG Jan 2018 #42

Folks forget CHIP was unconditionally released from prison. What did R's get? Zero!! Fred Sanders Jan 2018 #65

Tax cuts, apparently. See the thread above yours. X_Digger Jan 2018 #54

I believe its a good deal... NCTraveler Jan 2018 #59

The problem is focusing on parties, not people. Ms. Toad Jan 2018 #62

From Ezra Klein Gothmog Jan 2018 #64

It may be a Small Thing but... charliea Jan 2018 #66