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cthulu2016

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63. Certainly it is unknowable

Tue Jul 24, 2012, 04:37 PM

Jul 2012

Maybe he bought some awesome ceramic body armor at a yard sale for cash and left the nylon vest he'd bought at home that night.

It is unknowable. (To us, at this time.)

As a supposition, he probably did not have a bulletproof vest on. Your side seems likelier to be correct.

But there is no proof on either side.

And no matter how much evidence is assembled it will all be meaningless when his get-up becomes a matter of public record.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] Edweird Jul 2012 OP

This should be the tipping point for re-banishing gun posts cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #1

Thanks for the kick. Edweird Jul 2012 #2

i believe in Santa Clause. Prove he doesn't exist. samsingh Jul 2012 #21

Thanks for the kick! Edweird Jul 2012 #28

i'm sure you're getting a lot of kicks right now. quite amusing during this stress time samsingh Jul 2012 #55

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #117

Oh man. That's awesome. But what would really 'show me' is proof about the 'bullet proof' vest. Edweird Jul 2012 #120

Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #138

Yeah, that's the one in my OP. It's not a 'bullet proof vest'. It's just a vest. Edweird Jul 2012 #144

This message was self-deleted by its author bupkus Jul 2012 #149

Ok, now which one of those is a bullet proof vest? (Hint: NONE) Edweird Jul 2012 #157

Why would you expect every piece of evidence to be already made public pnwmom Jul 2012 #201

Seriously? We know what he bought and when and where he bought it. Why would this one item Edweird Jul 2012 #202

Seriously? You think omissions never occur? pnwmom Jul 2012 #215

About a 'bullet proof vest'? That's extremely significant. Edweird Jul 2012 #218

Thank You! nt aka-chmeee Jul 2012 #153

PS: I agree with you cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #36

Obama and the families don't want the shooter glorified by attention. freshwest Jul 2012 #4

That's BS. We know everything he bought when and where. Edweird Jul 2012 #10

What's BS? Is that the liimit of your debating abilities? Here's my post, which you didn't read: freshwest Jul 2012 #43

Well, thanks for the kick. Right now I'm looking for bullet proof vest info. We can fight later. Edweird Jul 2012 #49

Why this? NewMoonTherian Jul 2012 #12

for pro-gun people, anything that can be used in favor of gun control does not exist. samsingh Jul 2012 #30

Police have verified he wore a bulletproof vest???? Tejas Jul 2012 #129

ROFL alcibiades_mystery Jul 2012 #14

No shit! NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #24

wouldn't that be great? cali Jul 2012 #111

I SO agree with you. My first thought reading the orig post: "And this matters how?" /eom dballance Jul 2012 #131

The Derp is strong with this one. WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #3

Can't handle being wrong? Edweird Jul 2012 #13

i think that applies to you samsingh Jul 2012 #33

If I'm wrong PROVE IT. I'm begging for it. Show me what vest he was wearing. Edweird Jul 2012 #56

look in a mirror H2O Man Jul 2012 #148

oooh BURN! Edweird Jul 2012 #162

May I ask why you or anyone else should care? CTyankee Jul 2012 #5

See post #99 WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #8

I think I'll end every OP here now with "Prove me wrong!" Lex Jul 2012 #25

I know. That made me LOL. laundry_queen Jul 2012 #31

Now that is sad. Rex Jul 2012 #34

I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know. Edweird Jul 2012 #32

well, ok then! I guess I'll just tiptoe out the door...don't get up. Really, I can let myself out... CTyankee Jul 2012 #72

If you think I look beat up, you should see the other guys. Edweird Jul 2012 #82

No, no, I'm good, really! No worries... CTyankee Jul 2012 #177

That? Oh that's just how I say "HI" :) Edweird Jul 2012 #203

he's trying to argue that everyone should have been armed in the theatre and that would prevented samsingh Jul 2012 #37

Thanks for the kick. Edweird Jul 2012 #57

Stop drooling. Still illegal for anyone to carry in a theater there. louis-t Jul 2012 #6

I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know. Edweird Jul 2012 #15

Is there a reason we should really care if he was? Lex Jul 2012 #7

I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know. Edweird Jul 2012 #20

Do you care if we have accurate information or not? Llewlladdwr Jul 2012 #197

I like it when people don't lie about current events, myself. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #223

The level of discussion over this tragedy has just hit a new GD low. Lone_Star_Dem Jul 2012 #9

Let me help WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #17

If I'm wrong I'm big enough to own it - hence this post. Edweird Jul 2012 #39

When you're right, let me know. nt DocMac Jul 2012 #60

I stand corrected. Lone_Star_Dem Jul 2012 #102

I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know. Edweird Jul 2012 #23

You are wrongheaded.nt redwitch Jul 2012 #121

i believe he was wearing a tshirt underneath. prove me wrong. samsingh Jul 2012 #11

Boxers or briefs? Swede Jul 2012 #16

Boxers. Prove me wrong! Lex Jul 2012 #19

Commando, silly! GObamaGO Jul 2012 #27

both - one was yellow the other was green samsingh Jul 2012 #47

Probably. Those things can chafe. Edweird Jul 2012 #18

It's true and the tshirt said.... Liberal Veteran Jul 2012 #42

You Want Us To Prove A Negative ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #22

No, I want you to prove that he WAS wearing a bullet proof vest. Not "someone said" Edweird Jul 2012 #26

See My Reply To Your Defender ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #90

We know everything he bought. When and where. The news articles, like the one in my OP, Edweird Jul 2012 #100

You've got it backward - he's asking for proof of the bullet-proof assertion petronius Jul 2012 #29

Don't Agree ProfessorGAC Jul 2012 #88

I don't believe Edweird is a Klondike Bar as reported. Prove me wrong. trumad Jul 2012 #35

Actually Edweird is a Mr. Goodbar, as reported. Rex Jul 2012 #45

Mmmm Mr Goodbar! Edweird Jul 2012 #51

In fact, acording to Chaos Theory... Shining Jack Jul 2012 #180

Actually he would appear to be a Snickers GoneOffShore Jul 2012 #86

71 people shot. 12 dead. And you want to argue over this. Chorophyll Jul 2012 #38

I just had a knock-down-drag-out over it. If I'm wrong I want to know. Edweird Jul 2012 #44

How many innocent men have been executed due to incorrect facts? Remmah2 Jul 2012 #48

well in his mind they are cowards anyway samsingh Jul 2012 #53

Good way to distort what I said. I was referring to myself, and myself alone. Edweird Jul 2012 #62

For $306.79 the order can not be duplicated, not even close. Remmah2 Jul 2012 #40

My name is Indigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prove me wrong. LanternWaste Jul 2012 #41

So.... nothing but a kick? Thanks for the kick! Edweird Jul 2012 #46

People are kicking it to laugh. Lex Jul 2012 #50

Hey, I got a little rough about this and I want to know if I'm wrong. Edweird Jul 2012 #65

Hate you? leftynyc Jul 2012 #73

Yet you yourself spam and kick..... Edweird Jul 2012 #91

Presumably the police have whatever he was wearing cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #52

No, it's not 'unknowable' - we have everything he bought - except the vest. Edweird Jul 2012 #61

Certainly it is unknowable cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #63

We know the brand and model of everything else. I don't see how this is 'unknowable'. Edweird Jul 2012 #67

Then you don't see it. cthulu2016 Jul 2012 #71

Maybe it was a Christmas present. bluedigger Jul 2012 #69

No, it's been stated clearly that he bought it. But even if it was, Edweird Jul 2012 #74

Have you never lived in Colorado? DocMac Jul 2012 #118

I don't see what you're geting at. Was he wearing a 'bullet proof' vest or not? Edweird Jul 2012 #124

I'm sayin that your op is bullshit, for one. DocMac Jul 2012 #130

Without proof your assertion is worthless. Edweird Jul 2012 #135

This thread is worthless! nt DocMac Jul 2012 #146

NO U! Edweird Jul 2012 #150

However, that post was good. lol. nt DocMac Jul 2012 #164

You don't know shit. bluedigger Jul 2012 #145

Meh. I made my case in the OP. Now you make yours. Show me some proof. Edweird Jul 2012 #152

You want accurate reporting based upon actual facts? Facts slow things down. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2012 #54

Why does it matter anyway? n/t doc03 Jul 2012 #58

What does it matter? Bulletproof gear or not, are the victims any less dead? Blue_Tires Jul 2012 #59

This thread WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #64

I can't see it but I'm sure it's as witty as it is insulting - but shouldn't you be researching Edweird Jul 2012 #70

Clint Eastwood made his own DocMac Jul 2012 #66

Ok, so substantiate that. You've got a theory now prove it. Edweird Jul 2012 #80

Don't you have the ability to watch the movie? DocMac Jul 2012 #101

I'm looking for someone to come forward and show me what kind of bullet proof vest he was wearing. Edweird Jul 2012 #114

So did Ned Kelly and his gang: petronius Jul 2012 #84

And that's as good an answer as i've seen. DocMac Jul 2012 #105

With all due respect, but what does it matter if he was wearing one or not? Alduin Jul 2012 #68

I'm getting ready to get a glass of Prosecco. Care to join me? CTyankee Jul 2012 #75

Sure. Alduin Jul 2012 #78

too heavy for me but that's good! CTyankee Jul 2012 #193

I just had a huge rough fight about it and if I'm wrong I want to know. Edweird Jul 2012 #76

Does it matter if you "win" an online "fight?" Alduin Jul 2012 #81

No, but I was harsh with some people and if I'm wrong I want to apologize. Edweird Jul 2012 #85

Touche. Alduin Jul 2012 #96

if everyone krhines Jul 2012 #83

Ok, so someone in that group of 'everyone' knows what he was wearing. Edweird Jul 2012 #93

So this is a continuation of the thread where you called the victims "cowards"? zappaman Jul 2012 #77

The only thing despicable is your deliberate micharacterization. Edweird Jul 2012 #89

"Better than dying a coward's death. If I fight I at least have SOME chance." zappaman Jul 2012 #97

*I* *I* Mischaracterize all you want. *I* don't care. *I* have to live with my actions Edweird Jul 2012 #103

"The truth doesn't matter to a lot of people here." WilliamPitt Jul 2012 #104

I'm wide open. I'm begging you to show me I'm wrong. Show me. Shut me down. Edweird Jul 2012 #108

Open mind? CreekDog Jul 2012 #176

It's okay. zappaman Jul 2012 #107

Ok then. Edweird Jul 2012 #110

Wow mythology Jul 2012 #182

Eh, that's people taking stuff out of context. We all know the theater was 'gun free'. Edweird Jul 2012 #184

lol krhines Jul 2012 #79

You can purchase surplus body armor in cash at gun shows. OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #87

Ok, but there's going to be a tag on the vest. What kind was it? Edweird Jul 2012 #94

I looked at his vest...it was definitely body armor...prove me wrong... rfranklin Jul 2012 #99

I made my case in the OP - now make yours. Edweird Jul 2012 #136

No tag, but here's the instruction manual. Tejas Jul 2012 #139

Is that Star Wars? Edweird Jul 2012 #147

Brady: it'll stop 50BMG at 20 miles. Tejas Jul 2012 #160

Call the police dept and ask them. n/t Lucinda Jul 2012 #115

What do you mean "tag"? OneTenthofOnePercent Jul 2012 #123

Yeah, that's the tag. Edweird Jul 2012 #134

You are a prime example why we need more gun regulations Boxcar Willie Jul 2012 #92

LOL. Edweird Jul 2012 #95

WTF? chowder66 Jul 2012 #126

Do you have ANY proof that he wore a 'bullet proof' vest besides "everyone says"? Edweird Jul 2012 #155

NO. I was not there. Were you? chowder66 Jul 2012 #171

Please don't council people with low post counts. DocMac Jul 2012 #156

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Post removed Post removed Jul 2012 #112

What the hell is wrong with you? Marrah_G Jul 2012 #122

Oh, okay, not guilty then jberryhill Jul 2012 #106

I'm really getting tired of these gun threads steve2470 Jul 2012 #109

and quite a few are losing them...their minds I mean! likesmountains 52 Jul 2012 #113

It would sting so much more if you could prove he was wearing a 'bullet proof' vest. Edweird Jul 2012 #119

I hesitate to even reply, but I could not really care less if he was wrapped in saran or encased in likesmountains 52 Jul 2012 #125

It's getting really nasty Marrah_G Jul 2012 #132

Oh but this is a 'bullet proof vest' thread. Totally different. Edweird Jul 2012 #205

uh huh nt steve2470 Jul 2012 #208

With the right bullet, nothing is really bulletproof. hobbit709 Jul 2012 #116

Too true. That why I refer to it as 'bullet proof'. Edweird Jul 2012 #140

Why is this relevant? Trunk Monkey Jul 2012 #127

That's true. I just had a rough fight with some long time members and if I'm wrong I want to know. Edweird Jul 2012 #137

I don't care if he was wearing this ... JoePhilly Jul 2012 #128

accuracy in reporting vs making crap up? Tejas Jul 2012 #141

In the days immediately following something like this ... the media JoePhilly Jul 2012 #161

I guess this is where I insert my recipe? Texasgal Jul 2012 #133

Yummy!!! Marrah_G Jul 2012 #142

Damn that sounds good! zappaman Jul 2012 #143

LOL! Texasgal Jul 2012 #172

Sounds AWESOME! Edweird Jul 2012 #163

Yes, but can you prove that it is the right one? nt DocMac Jul 2012 #216

Yes I can! Texasgal Jul 2012 #220

Here is what he was wearing, according to earlier DU thread--looks different than librechik Jul 2012 #151

Not even in the same universe with 'bulletproof'. Tejas Jul 2012 #158

Maybe Holmes thought it was bullet proof. Doesn't change anything even if he were naked. Hoyt Jul 2012 #167

So, you could care less about accuracy in reporting? Tejas Jul 2012 #170

In this case, I really don't give a dang whether he was wearing armor or not. He did use guns that Hoyt Jul 2012 #175

Yeah, he had bad breath too. Tejas Jul 2012 #183

It's ... not really possible for someone to confuse a tactical vest for body armor. (nt) Posteritatis Jul 2012 #226

Ooh intimidating -but not supported by the information we have. Edweird Jul 2012 #159

Keep in mind that common knowledge isn't always common. Tejas Jul 2012 #165

Why do you keep insisting "we have receipts for all his stuff?" missingthebigdog Jul 2012 #221

SCREW FACTS, ROLL THE PRESSES! Tejas Jul 2012 #154

I don't believe James Holmes is Human as reported. Prove me wrong. Shining Jack Jul 2012 #166

I.... can't Edweird Jul 2012 #168

Don't you just love all the noise from the "cold, dead hands" crowd!! retread Jul 2012 #169

If it didn't already exist, this post could've caused the invention of the word CreekDog Jul 2012 #173

Oh man. Weak sauce. Seriously. You gotta up your game. Edweird Jul 2012 #185

"HEY, who said he bought it retail?" jp11 Jul 2012 #174

I'm not saying he bought it retail - or that he even bought it. Edweird Jul 2012 #187

Does proof of one vest prove he does not own more? chowder66 Jul 2012 #178

No but the only proof I've come along so far leads to a 'tactical vest' or whatever Edweird Jul 2012 #189

That's fine. Reports usually are a bit disconnected in the first week or so... chowder66 Jul 2012 #196

I agree with you Edweird,tired of all this vest talk from Kingofalldems Jul 2012 #179

Ed, the FUCK does it matter what he was wearing? you're just trolling with this post. dionysus Jul 2012 #181

Hyperbole is disengenuous, but don't let that stop you Tejas Jul 2012 #186

No Edweird Jul 2012 #190

if you say so, i'll take you at your word then. dionysus Jul 2012 #194

I might be a fucking weirdo, but I am an honest fucking weirdo. Edweird Jul 2012 #204

"I like to deal in facts." DocMac Jul 2012 #222

so you say you have already decided the issue, and now you want us to prove you wrong? librechik Jul 2012 #188

Meh. If you don't have anything other than "they say" it's ok. Edweird Jul 2012 #191

your funny moon language is incomprehensible to me. librechik Jul 2012 #192

The Moon? How dare you. Edweird Jul 2012 #200

Why do you care??? greytdemocrat Jul 2012 #195

Why the fuck should anybody prove anything DevonRex Jul 2012 #198

Because I'm an unpopular asshole? Edweird Jul 2012 #206

Snarf... trumad Jul 2012 #207

ooooh you really showed me didn't you! I will cry myself to sleep for a thousand nights.... Edweird Jul 2012 #210

Really dude--- step back for a minute and read your thread. trumad Jul 2012 #212

I need to start hiding threads until they put gun threads back in the gungeon. Edweird Jul 2012 #217

Trumad, just the guy I had in mind. DevonRex Jul 2012 #211

Not that interested, sorry. DevonRex Jul 2012 #209

Maybe.. but look at this thread ^ Edweird Jul 2012 #213

Ok, so you're not wrong. Happy now? Xipe Totec Jul 2012 #199

So if theatre goers were carrying they could have shot him? HockeyMom Jul 2012 #214

Gun free zone. Edweird Jul 2012 #219

so what do you win if he didn't have a bp vest? Whisp Jul 2012 #224

Imagine you're a deer GreatCaesarsGhost Jul 2012 #225

I can't see imbeded videos :( Is it 'My Cousin Vinny'? Edweird Jul 2012 #227