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BlueAZure

(19 posts)
17. No, no, no, no, NO!
Sun Feb 4, 2018, 07:19 PM
Feb 2018

I have seen this sentiment multiple times both here and elsewhere, and I think it is due to a gross misunderstanding of what happened in the last election.

Wrapped up in this narrative, sometimes implied and sometimes expressly stated, is the notion that it was the “purists” who wouldn’t support Clinton and who threw the election to Trump. The conclusion seems to invariably be that Bernie supporters just wouldn’t vote for Clinton so they either stayed home, voted for Stein, or worst of all, voted for Trump.

The core of the argument against these folks is that it is their fault that Trump got elected and next time, they’d better get on board with the Dem, or we’re going to have more Trump.

If this is going to be our message, our campaign slogan might as well be:

“Vote for us because we suck less than the other jerks”

That’ll play well on a T-shirt or bumper sticker.

Much has been made by some of the “Bernie to Trump” voter. I happen to know exactly one of these people personally. It took me quite a while to wrap my head around the idea that anyone would choose Bernie Sanders first and Donald Trump second. When quizzed, he responded with “we need a change” and “I just don’t trust her (Clinton)”. Well, that initially made it even harder to understand, but after some time I came to see that on the one hand, he was snowed by all the anti-Clinton BS that the right has been dishing out for 25 years or so, and on the other, really is looking for something that’s not “business as usual”.

Additionally, this guy is an ex-Marine and pretty much a “fiscal conservative” who is “libertarian” on social issues. He couldn’t care less about gay marriage, is a moderate on immigration, and I’ve never heard him say a word about abortion. Had this been any typical election, had the Democratic candidate not been Hillary or Bernie, and regardless of who was the Republican candidate, he would likely have voted straight Republican all the way. Yet he voted for Bernie in the primary, and Trump in the General.

Why then, did he vote the way he did?

Because this election, just like 2008 when Obama was first elected, was a Change Election. Obama promised change. He ran on Hope and Change. Big, meaningful change. Yet what we got was moderate change at most. The ACA was probably the biggest change, and in 2010/12, Dems ran FROM it rather than ON it.

Now we’re getting change, all right, but not what we wanted and I’ll wager that, once the change really starts to kick in, not what most Trump supporters want either.

I don’t personally know anyone who considers themselves a Dem or “left of center” but didn’t get out and vote for Clinton, even if she wasn’t their first choice. (I used to know a few Greens, but lost track of all of them the last time I moved, about a dozen years ago.)

Those of us complaining about how the “purists” need to “get on board with the less than perfect candidate”, but this is looking at the problem all wrong. We’re not going to win elections by being the party of “more of the same”, “moderate, gradual” change, or, worst of all, “Republican Light”.
Berating those who aren’t on board, for whatever reason, WILL NOT WORK.

If we want to win, we have to stop this crap about how the “liberal wing needs to get on board”, and start finding ways of attracting those who aren’t already on board now.

Since 1980, the middle and working classes have gotten the short end of virtually all of the change, and here’s where Trump is right:

We (the United States) have made plenty of bad deals that have screwed over most of the population.

Now, we (Democrats) have to present something better than “A Better Deal”, and sure as hell better than “We suck less than them”.


Abso-effing-lutely. lindysalsagal Feb 2018 #1
There have been Faux pas Feb 2018 #2
Thugs? nini Feb 2018 #3
Mary Norwood quakerboy Feb 2018 #5
Thugs, Faux pas Feb 2018 #6
Utah does this. OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #43
Not as LIBERALS. Running as DEMOCRATS. Hortensis Feb 2018 #56
This is one of the best posts I've seen in a long time mcar Feb 2018 #72
Does what, run moderate democrats against rightwing republicans? Lots of places do that. Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #63
Who? DownriverDem Feb 2018 #51
You'd Think They Couldn't Make It Through A Primary nt JimGinPA Feb 2018 #4
That'd never be seen on my FB feed, since I'm from redder-than-red Georgia. n/t Different Drummer Feb 2018 #7
If a "Thug" gets through the primary, then yes, absolutely, get over it. TomSlick Feb 2018 #8
I truly think we need a "mandatory school night" where ALL Americans MUST tune in Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #64
A noble idea but the people who need to watch wouldn't. TomSlick Feb 2018 #76
Amen!!!! redstatebluegirl Feb 2018 #9
You rock! K & R bronxiteforever Feb 2018 #10
Yeah! Cha Feb 2018 #55
very first posting hell674 Feb 2018 #11
This OP Pertains To Election Day (Mostly) JimGinPA Feb 2018 #12
AT this point I say vote in the PRIMARY for the candidate MOST likely to win in that district Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #65
Welcome to DU FakeNoose Feb 2018 #30
Thank you hell674 Feb 2018 #40
Well said hell674 progressoid Feb 2018 #31
Welcome to du hell674! nt Heartstrings Feb 2018 #35
Great first post. Thanks much for KPN Feb 2018 #57
Although keep an eye out for repukes kacekwl Feb 2018 #13
We absolutely must be vigilant for that in the primaries. groundloop Feb 2018 #18
If they have a D after their name they give us the majority and power so their individual Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #66
Amen to that!! Thekaspervote Feb 2018 #14
YES!!! paleotn Feb 2018 #15
Absolutely... Upthevibe Feb 2018 #21
Attn DUers...I need a new home / online community lostnfound Feb 2018 #16
Here, here, here sab390 Feb 2018 #36
I dont understand. Youre a long term member of DU w/11,000 +posts. Fla Dem Feb 2018 #77
No, no, no, no, NO! BlueAZure Feb 2018 #17
It's too big to fit on a bumper sticker leftstreet Feb 2018 #19
Your 'friend' sounds like a real stable genius. Alpeduez21 Feb 2018 #23
Post removed Post removed Feb 2018 #28
So you dont support Democrats no matter what? Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #67
Let's see OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #44
You haven't bothered to answer the question. brooklynite Feb 2018 #73
The message in the OP is that elections have consequences. lapucelle Feb 2018 #74
And if anyone is looking for something deeper than a slogan, lapucelle Feb 2018 #75
Post of the thread StuckInTexas Feb 2018 #79
Anyone who needs to know where Democrats stand lapucelle Feb 2018 #82
+1 Jamaal510 Feb 2018 #83
BlueAzure, the excuse is wanting CHANGE? Hortensis Feb 2018 #81
That's actually a confusing graphic leftstreet Feb 2018 #20
So weird to realize that applies directly to me now. Pacifist Patriot Feb 2018 #22
You're going to do great! Ligyron Feb 2018 #24
Best of luck hell674 Feb 2018 #25
Good luck to you! lkinwi Feb 2018 #26
Proud of you. Hope you win OhNo-Really Feb 2018 #45
You must mean GaryCnf Feb 2018 #27
Just an observation jimlup Feb 2018 #29
There were many Republicans in the same boat last time FakeNoose Feb 2018 #32
Yeah I don't know how these people get so carried away with their stupid jimlup Feb 2018 #33
Yeah, because chiding people is a such a great strategy for winning their votes. progressoid Feb 2018 #34
Chiding? JimGinPA Feb 2018 #37
I said nothing about lack of excitement of purity. progressoid Feb 2018 #39
Exactly. I have three millennial children KPN Feb 2018 #59
+1! KPN Feb 2018 #58
Unrec. Iggo Feb 2018 #38
Well remember that also should apply for more "moderate" Dems when.. mvd Feb 2018 #41
Perfection is the enemy of progress. n/t D23MIURG23 Feb 2018 #42
K & R SunSeeker Feb 2018 #46
GOTV. Resist. Vote AGAINST fascism. nt Honeycombe8 Feb 2018 #47
I believe every Democrat has no problem with that FakeNoose Feb 2018 #68
the reason burnbaby Feb 2018 #48
Maybe You Should Post At The Independent Underground JimGinPA Feb 2018 #52
independents typically support burnbaby Feb 2018 #53
I was an independent for many years FakeNoose Feb 2018 #69
THANK YOU!!!!!! calimary Feb 2018 #49
I love this story, calimary! radical noodle Feb 2018 #78
100% Correct DownriverDem Feb 2018 #50
Lectures, threats, and admonishments rarely provide the desired outcome. Merlot Feb 2018 #54
This should be added to the DU header. I'm not kidding. ffr Feb 2018 #60
AMEN samnsara Feb 2018 #61
That it needs to be said AT ALL Eliot Rosewater Feb 2018 #62
Kick treestar Feb 2018 #70
Bookmarking this mcar Feb 2018 #71
Agreed BlueDog22 Feb 2018 #80
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