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hueymahl

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138. Clearly we are going to have to agree to disagree

Wed Mar 14, 2018, 03:01 PM

Mar 2018

I stand by my statements.

Her "filibuster" was political cover and a meaningless gesture. The time to protect the dreamers was when we had the lever of government shutdown.

The Conyers thing was tone-deaf and a political misstep.

She actually strongly supported Ossof and was instrumental in bringing him into the campaign (see, I can say nice things). I was part of that campaign. Her support was used to attack him and rally republican moderates, and Ossof could not get away from that (she did not cause him to lose, but she was a factor). Lamb learned that lesson and ran against her in his campaign.

The DNC, DCCC and DSCC all have parts to play in the losses -they share responsibility with Pelosi and other leaders from that time.

Falsely accusing other democrats of sexism is, in fact, divisive.

Nice little jab there about not understanding what the job is.

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This will be controversial to say, but Lamb is right about Pelosi [View all] scheming daemons Mar 2018 OP

Funny how its always the woman to be sacrificed...how about Schumer? nt Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #1

OK Achilleaze Mar 2018 #2

Which "young 'uns" do you suggest and what experience do they have to actually be Speaker or Leader? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #41

Tim Ryan is more than prepared. There are others. Time for new blood. My goodness. LBM20 Mar 2018 #94

Tim Ryan, the pro-life conservative Dem? mcar Mar 2018 #111

Tim Ryan isn't even close to being prepared. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #132

Tim Ryan is an ass RandomAccess Mar 2018 #142

Except he isn't, nor do his colleagues agree. My goodness, simply being a white male doesn't make Ninsianna Mar 2018 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Mar 2018 #5

Why don't you tell that to Al Franken? N/T flotsam Mar 2018 #6

Zing.......nt Fullduplexxx Mar 2018 #14

I'm sorry was pelosi accused of sexual improprieties that I'm not aware of? Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #83

The Democratic Party needs to project an image of strength and energy. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #88

To my understanding, we don't pick the speaker of the house Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #103

No flotsam Mar 2018 #114

And Hillary Clinton is still attacked because of her husband's own actions. deurbano Mar 2018 #122

Apparently Frankens ouster was also Pelosis fault EffieBlack Mar 2018 #141

"Franken was sacrificed because of his own actions" pangaia Mar 2018 #134

My advice: stay down BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #146

Which actions of Al Franken are you talking about, specifically? DFW Mar 2018 #147

Exactly! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #202

Well, had Pelosi been accused of sexual improprieties, credible or NOT.... LakeArenal Mar 2018 #185

Oops, not true! lark Mar 2018 #206

Bring him back! nt SCVDem Mar 2018 #157

Schumer should step aside from leadership too hueymahl Mar 2018 #8

I don't think we can take back the senate... but if we do, I agree.. Schumer shouldn't be the leader scheming daemons Mar 2018 #9

1. Have any of them expressed an interest in being Leader? 2. Do they have the experience and EffieBlack Mar 2018 #47

They should take the leadership roles while those who preceded them in those roles Sophia4 Mar 2018 #91

I ask again: have any of them expressed an interest in taking a leadership role? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #97

One would think that these "younger people" you say are waiting in the wings ehrnst Mar 2018 #105

And saying that their biggest qualification is that they are "new blood" ehrnst Mar 2018 #110

Cory Booker, Tammy Baldwin Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #48

YES! Though I think at least one of those will be too busy running for President scheming daemons Mar 2018 #55

Why is it dependent on taking back the Senate first? Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #107

There are plenty women below her who are ready to take over. Blue_true Mar 2018 #30

Please, it is not about gender. It is about needing CHANGE. Pelosi has had her time. LBM20 Mar 2018 #89

And Hoyer. And Clyburn. Diverse enough for you? BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #124

I know, right? Cary Mar 2018 #130

Old women are considered disposable Boomer Mar 2018 #189

Except for of course, Al Franken n/t Woodycall Mar 2018 #199

Prepare for the wrath that awaits you! chuckstevens Mar 2018 #3

How did your alert work out? nt. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #72

Why today? Hekate Mar 2018 #4

Because unity in victory among Democrats is to be avoided at all costs jberryhill Mar 2018 #7

Elevating fresh young leaders increases Democratic unity.... scheming daemons Mar 2018 #10

Elevating X is not equivalent to tearing down Y jberryhill Mar 2018 #15

Didn't tear down anybody. Read the first line of the OP again. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #17

You'll provide evidence to support that allegation, yes? LanternWaste Mar 2018 #40

The Democratic edge among voters under 45 is humongous.... scheming daemons Mar 2018 #52

And who has the house leadership position on our side? NCTraveler Mar 2018 #77

And not tolerated Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #109

Yep mcar Mar 2018 #113

Democratic Party unity is our absolute number one importance in the upcoming democratisphere Mar 2018 #11

Nope. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #12

With that criteria it is time for Sanders to step aside still_one Mar 2018 #13

I would agree with that too, if he was in "leadership" hueymahl Mar 2018 #20

He is, apparently, considering another Presidential run mcar Mar 2018 #115

Not a fan of another run hueymahl Mar 2018 #119

He's young at heart. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author mcar Mar 2018 #115

Well hes flying around the country dissing some Dem candidates and anointing others... bettyellen Mar 2018 #197

Actually, it isn't. This thread talking is about party leadership positions which Sanders doesn't FSogol Mar 2018 #25

I hope you'll speak up with these same words the next time someone here insists that Feinstein needs EffieBlack Mar 2018 #50

I haven't been part of any attacks on the Sen Feinstein. FSogol Mar 2018 #60

I agree completely. Mariana Mar 2018 #43

What leadership post does he need to step aside from? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #65

Over 60??? cwydro Mar 2018 #16

No.... they shouldn't be considered for next Speaker. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #22

It sounds like you have no idea what a Speaker does EffieBlack Mar 2018 #53

Oh, ok. cwydro Mar 2018 #58

The OP didn't say that. Blue_true Mar 2018 #34

60? Pelosi is 77. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2018 #42

A little birdie in California politics told me.... Brother Buzz Mar 2018 #18

That would be a real display of class and toughness. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #79

Let's make Democrats in Congress relevant again first. HopeAgain Mar 2018 #19

Those young protestors want gun control. These are 2 different things JI7 Mar 2018 #21

I disagree on a singular condition: Volaris Mar 2018 #23

THAT would be awesome!! hueymahl Mar 2018 #39

Doesn't she have to win a House race somewhere first? scheming daemons Mar 2018 #59

Nope. There's no Requirement to be a sitting house member. Volaris Mar 2018 #66

I think FOX News would call for a civil war and we would have one Hekate Mar 2018 #81

Not a problem! SCVDem Mar 2018 #173

Right! Bring it! sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #195

It is a problem when idiots who watch FOX are armed.We do this at the ballot box & in the courtrooms Hekate Mar 2018 #209

Fantasy! SCVDem Mar 2018 #210

As in any workplace, a mixture of age, experience, youth, energy, and talent is needed. LisaM Mar 2018 #24

Maybe more than actual age, we need fresher politicians who haven't been entrenched for decades scheming daemons Mar 2018 #26

There are lots of jobs on the way to being Speaker. LisaM Mar 2018 #32

I agree with you on the ACA... but that was a decade ago.... scheming daemons Mar 2018 #45

This is one of the reasons I think you should reconsider your conditions. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #84

No (and I don't have "conditions"), but institutional knowledge matters. LisaM Mar 2018 #108

I completely agree with you. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #140

Thank you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #57

Except the big name person that lamb campaigned with was Joe Biden JI7 Mar 2018 #27

I don't think Biden should run for President in 2020 either.... scheming daemons Mar 2018 #31

I agree with everything you said. Blue_true Mar 2018 #28

Bingo. This is what I am trying to say. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #33

Yes - let's roll over and play dead because the Republicans threaten to shoot us EffieBlack Mar 2018 #62

We have as effective or more effective potential leaders waiting in the wings. Blue_true Mar 2018 #73

Yes, we do. And while they're waiting in the wings, they need to build up their experience the way EffieBlack Mar 2018 #76

Do you really think Rs won't come up with attack messages against the younger reps? mcar Mar 2018 #123

Yep - they will never stop Thew Mar 2018 #137

+1000 EffieBlack Mar 2018 #151

Oh goodie. More "advice" for the Democrats NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #29

Are we? Really? hueymahl Mar 2018 #46

Oh good grief. They're crawling out of the woodwork. NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #51

Indeed they are hueymahl Mar 2018 #63

Hey, sortof kind of saying he is "pro-life" worked to get in this deep Red district, too. ehrnst Mar 2018 #95

Yes, I thought that was a shrewd political move hueymahl Mar 2018 #99

In the most Republican districts in the country. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #64

Regarding DiFi Me. Mar 2018 #86

Yeah, same age. I wonder what the difference is? NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #104

One Is A Very Smart Effective Woman Me. Mar 2018 #118

Well, he is in the majority party currently, a big difference hueymahl Mar 2018 #125

You May Be Correct Me. Mar 2018 #139

I respect those that wish for the current leadership to remain in-tact hueymahl Mar 2018 #143

I Don't Wish Leadership To Change Willy Nilly Me. Mar 2018 #154

It may very well be time for new leadership. Well see EffieBlack Mar 2018 #155

Agree 100% hueymahl Mar 2018 #163

Yes, we have already seen the horrific results of the "burn it down to save it" mentality. deurbano Mar 2018 #177

She is definitely used by Republicans all jalan48 Mar 2018 #35

What's wrong with Democrats defending her? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #68

Democrats in conservative areas are jalan48 Mar 2018 #78

So what? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #85

Its a reality in todays elections. jalan48 Mar 2018 #98

So we follow the needs of the most conservative areas and abandon gun conrol now too? LOL - nope. bettyellen Mar 2018 #203

+1000! mcar Mar 2018 #128

Dems are a center-left/mainstream liberal party radius777 Mar 2018 #212

Unfortunately, that's true awesomerwb1 Mar 2018 #74

Any Dem in a leadership position would be attacked by Republicans mcar Mar 2018 #126

I agree and with Fox News serving as a jalan48 Mar 2018 #133

Removing anyone the Rs said bad things about is obviously not a good strategy mcar Mar 2018 #135

I like the way you stated that. jalan48 Mar 2018 #148

Thank you mcar Mar 2018 #150

little more than a fundamentally meaningless series of bumper-stickers LanternWaste Mar 2018 #36

They are appropriate shorthand hueymahl Mar 2018 #49

IMO, their age is irrelvant. Age has it benefits as does tenure. CentralMass Mar 2018 #37

New leadership is always great EffieBlack Mar 2018 #38

Republicans target Pelosi hueymahl Mar 2018 #54

What "recent record of leadership" belies my points? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #71

The list is long hueymahl Mar 2018 #96

Thanks. Now let's walk through these one-by-one: EffieBlack Mar 2018 #127

Clearly we are going to have to agree to disagree hueymahl Mar 2018 #138

Interesting EffieBlack Mar 2018 #144

I respect you, but you are doing a great job of misstating my positions hueymahl Mar 2018 #149

Well said. Owl Mar 2018 #205

Great Post! Caliman73 Mar 2018 #67

Beautifully said! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #82

Thanks for this awesome post Effie. n/t seaglass Mar 2018 #70

The Senate and the House is a seniority/experiential/networking game. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #44

A leader should have experience . And it should be earned with a bunch of Congressional terms octoberlib Mar 2018 #56

LOL. NOPE. Jettison the leadership the moment we need to recapture both houses to save the Republic? FreepFryer Mar 2018 #61

I don't think Pelosi will run again if we get the majority. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #69

Congressional leaders are chosen by their peers, who vote for them. If they want a newbie... Hekate Mar 2018 #75

Possibly zipplewrath Mar 2018 #80

Why do we have to push aside our friends and allies to workinclasszero Mar 2018 #87

I applaud her service but yes, absolutely, it is time for CHANGE. LBM20 Mar 2018 #90

She was elected by her peers. Do you think they don't know what the job entails? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #100

If you need someone to "step aside" you're not strong enough for leadership.n/t delisen Mar 2018 #92

Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Mar 2018 #101

This bears repeating IMO workinclasszero Mar 2018 #102

That's actually a good point. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #158

I guess the last thing Dems need right now is experience and deep knowledge of the enemy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #93

Lamb advocated for Ryan to be replaced too for new leadership on both sides on aisle wishstar Mar 2018 #106

No. Just no. mcar Mar 2018 #112

Many of you are missing the whole point of the anti Pelosi venom. It could be Leader Moulton or OnDoutside Mar 2018 #117

If she announces she won't run for Speaker after midterms, there's nobody to put a target on scheming daemons Mar 2018 #156

That's an interesting idea. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #215

You're not supposed to say Bettie Mar 2018 #120

lol fail. stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #121

Meanwhile, Minority house speaker Pelosi is out at a rally supporting the youth walkout today. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #129

In Georgia 6 greymattermom Mar 2018 #131

They use her as a bludgeon, and it works BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #160

Because if Nancy Pelosi werent Minority Leader, we would totally kick ass in the red districts. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #167

Who said that would be the case? BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #178

You really think that if they dont know who the next Speaker will be EffieBlack Mar 2018 #186

+1 leftstreet Mar 2018 #172

Elect a center-right Democrat and start negative spouting leadership... pbmus Mar 2018 #136

Agree on all counts BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #145

Stop just stop...he had to say that in order to distance himself from her because of Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #152

someone told me that when they contacted me for a donation....i asked why he felt he had to distance samnsara Mar 2018 #159

I think it goes beyond neophytes ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #162

Good Lord how right you are EffieBlack Mar 2018 #170

nope samnsara Mar 2018 #153

The top 3 people in the House NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #164

Because experience is SO overrated in a complicated institution driven by complicated EffieBlack Mar 2018 #175

Please, we need to work together msdogi Mar 2018 #165

Sorry, millennials, party leadership spots aren't handed out like participation trophies Tarc Mar 2018 #166

I am saying that if she announces she won't run for speakership before midterms, it could increase scheming daemons Mar 2018 #169

It makes sense to me BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #182

You must have known ... left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #168

It is ok... a robust debate on this is necessary. We're all Democrats. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #171

I'm old enough to remember the election of JFK ... left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #188

That's what I find most ironic. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2018 #180

And...let the PILE ON commence.... TrollBuster9090 Mar 2018 #174

Nancy Pelosi Is Not the Problem erpowers Mar 2018 #176

We dont like your leader. Damn! they dont like our leader! Lets get rid of her and get EffieBlack Mar 2018 #181

Sounds a little hyperbolic to me. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2018 #192

Not at all EffieBlack Mar 2018 #208

Politely, I disagree. BadgerMom Mar 2018 #179

Right, let's get rid of all the successful Democrats. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #183

Thank you. This. n/t Boomer Mar 2018 #191

Sometimes you need wisdom and experience and judgment rather than resonation bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #184

I'm going on the theory that the dems take both house and senate infullview Mar 2018 #187

They always have to find some stong woman to hate, Hillary is not in contention, so it's Pelosi, Motley13 Mar 2018 #190

Tell that to Al Franken. BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #193

What are you talking about? erlewyne Mar 2018 #194

" Impeachment is off the table." spike jones Mar 2018 #196

Pelosi appeared with the young people protesting gun violence Motley13 Mar 2018 #200

Pelosi is a convenient target for Republican simpletons Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #201

It's Time.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #204

Its not a mainstream Dem district, so no. We dont oppose gun control because of them either. bettyellen Mar 2018 #207

Lamb proved Seth Mouton correct. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2018 #211

OFFS nini Mar 2018 #213

The modern Dem party is a cosmopolitan center-left party radius777 Mar 2018 #214

Whatevs. Sparkly Mar 2018 #216