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Awsi Dooger

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201. Pelosi is a convenient target for Republican simpletons

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Wed Mar 14, 2018, 04:11 PM

Mar 2018

And that is indeed a big plus for them. My Republican friends from Las Vegas don't know a damn thing about politics but all of them know the name Nancy Pelosi. And they despise her. Second only to Hillary.

We should replace Pelosi with a younger white male, preferably charismatic but mostly harmless would be a help also. I would not attach a 60 age limit, through. Many people are still very young into their 60s.

We don't need a rock star speaker.

BTW, the 40-50 and 70-80 estimates are way too high. Massively too high. I think results like last night are allowing too much overconfidence. I would sign up for +30 right now. We will not have the turnout advantage from a special election in a full fledged midterm with so much money and emphasis from both sides. Trump's approval rating is also a variable and no guarantee it doesn't continue to slowly rise. Normalcy would indicate a likely rise. Very seldom do presidents sustain that type of low approval number.

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This will be controversial to say, but Lamb is right about Pelosi [View all] scheming daemons Mar 2018 OP

Funny how its always the woman to be sacrificed...how about Schumer? nt Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #1

OK Achilleaze Mar 2018 #2

Which "young 'uns" do you suggest and what experience do they have to actually be Speaker or Leader? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #41

Tim Ryan is more than prepared. There are others. Time for new blood. My goodness. LBM20 Mar 2018 #94

Tim Ryan, the pro-life conservative Dem? mcar Mar 2018 #111

Tim Ryan isn't even close to being prepared. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #132

Tim Ryan is an ass RandomAccess Mar 2018 #142

Except he isn't, nor do his colleagues agree. My goodness, simply being a white male doesn't make Ninsianna Mar 2018 #161

This message was self-deleted by its author ollie10 Mar 2018 #5

Why don't you tell that to Al Franken? N/T flotsam Mar 2018 #6

Zing.......nt Fullduplexxx Mar 2018 #14

I'm sorry was pelosi accused of sexual improprieties that I'm not aware of? Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #83

The Democratic Party needs to project an image of strength and energy. Sophia4 Mar 2018 #88

To my understanding, we don't pick the speaker of the house Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #103

No flotsam Mar 2018 #114

And Hillary Clinton is still attacked because of her husband's own actions. deurbano Mar 2018 #122

Apparently Frankens ouster was also Pelosis fault EffieBlack Mar 2018 #141

"Franken was sacrificed because of his own actions" pangaia Mar 2018 #134

My advice: stay down BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #146

Which actions of Al Franken are you talking about, specifically? DFW Mar 2018 #147

Exactly! LiberalLovinLug Mar 2018 #202

Well, had Pelosi been accused of sexual improprieties, credible or NOT.... LakeArenal Mar 2018 #185

Oops, not true! lark Mar 2018 #206

Bring him back! nt SCVDem Mar 2018 #157

Schumer should step aside from leadership too hueymahl Mar 2018 #8

I don't think we can take back the senate... but if we do, I agree.. Schumer shouldn't be the leader scheming daemons Mar 2018 #9

1. Have any of them expressed an interest in being Leader? 2. Do they have the experience and EffieBlack Mar 2018 #47

They should take the leadership roles while those who preceded them in those roles Sophia4 Mar 2018 #91

I ask again: have any of them expressed an interest in taking a leadership role? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #97

One would think that these "younger people" you say are waiting in the wings ehrnst Mar 2018 #105

And saying that their biggest qualification is that they are "new blood" ehrnst Mar 2018 #110

Cory Booker, Tammy Baldwin Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #48

YES! Though I think at least one of those will be too busy running for President scheming daemons Mar 2018 #55

Why is it dependent on taking back the Senate first? Fresh_Start Mar 2018 #107

There are plenty women below her who are ready to take over. Blue_true Mar 2018 #30

Please, it is not about gender. It is about needing CHANGE. Pelosi has had her time. LBM20 Mar 2018 #89

And Hoyer. And Clyburn. Diverse enough for you? BeyondGeography Mar 2018 #124

I know, right? Cary Mar 2018 #130

Old women are considered disposable Boomer Mar 2018 #189

Except for of course, Al Franken n/t Woodycall Mar 2018 #199

Prepare for the wrath that awaits you! chuckstevens Mar 2018 #3

How did your alert work out? nt. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #72

Why today? Hekate Mar 2018 #4

Because unity in victory among Democrats is to be avoided at all costs jberryhill Mar 2018 #7

Elevating fresh young leaders increases Democratic unity.... scheming daemons Mar 2018 #10

Elevating X is not equivalent to tearing down Y jberryhill Mar 2018 #15

Didn't tear down anybody. Read the first line of the OP again. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #17

You'll provide evidence to support that allegation, yes? LanternWaste Mar 2018 #40

The Democratic edge among voters under 45 is humongous.... scheming daemons Mar 2018 #52

And who has the house leadership position on our side? NCTraveler Mar 2018 #77

And not tolerated Eliot Rosewater Mar 2018 #109

Yep mcar Mar 2018 #113

Democratic Party unity is our absolute number one importance in the upcoming democratisphere Mar 2018 #11

Nope. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #12

With that criteria it is time for Sanders to step aside still_one Mar 2018 #13

I would agree with that too, if he was in "leadership" hueymahl Mar 2018 #20

He is, apparently, considering another Presidential run mcar Mar 2018 #115

Not a fan of another run hueymahl Mar 2018 #119

He's young at heart. Hassin Bin Sober Mar 2018 #198

This message was self-deleted by its author mcar Mar 2018 #115

Well hes flying around the country dissing some Dem candidates and anointing others... bettyellen Mar 2018 #197

Actually, it isn't. This thread talking is about party leadership positions which Sanders doesn't FSogol Mar 2018 #25

I hope you'll speak up with these same words the next time someone here insists that Feinstein needs EffieBlack Mar 2018 #50

I haven't been part of any attacks on the Sen Feinstein. FSogol Mar 2018 #60

I agree completely. Mariana Mar 2018 #43

What leadership post does he need to step aside from? Cuthbert Allgood Mar 2018 #65

Over 60??? cwydro Mar 2018 #16

No.... they shouldn't be considered for next Speaker. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #22

It sounds like you have no idea what a Speaker does EffieBlack Mar 2018 #53

Oh, ok. cwydro Mar 2018 #58

The OP didn't say that. Blue_true Mar 2018 #34

60? Pelosi is 77. JustABozoOnThisBus Mar 2018 #42

A little birdie in California politics told me.... Brother Buzz Mar 2018 #18

That would be a real display of class and toughness. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #79

Let's make Democrats in Congress relevant again first. HopeAgain Mar 2018 #19

Those young protestors want gun control. These are 2 different things JI7 Mar 2018 #21

I disagree on a singular condition: Volaris Mar 2018 #23

THAT would be awesome!! hueymahl Mar 2018 #39

Doesn't she have to win a House race somewhere first? scheming daemons Mar 2018 #59

Nope. There's no Requirement to be a sitting house member. Volaris Mar 2018 #66

I think FOX News would call for a civil war and we would have one Hekate Mar 2018 #81

Not a problem! SCVDem Mar 2018 #173

Right! Bring it! sprinkleeninow Mar 2018 #195

It is a problem when idiots who watch FOX are armed.We do this at the ballot box & in the courtrooms Hekate Mar 2018 #209

Fantasy! SCVDem Mar 2018 #210

As in any workplace, a mixture of age, experience, youth, energy, and talent is needed. LisaM Mar 2018 #24

Maybe more than actual age, we need fresher politicians who haven't been entrenched for decades scheming daemons Mar 2018 #26

There are lots of jobs on the way to being Speaker. LisaM Mar 2018 #32

I agree with you on the ACA... but that was a decade ago.... scheming daemons Mar 2018 #45

This is one of the reasons I think you should reconsider your conditions. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #84

No (and I don't have "conditions"), but institutional knowledge matters. LisaM Mar 2018 #108

I completely agree with you. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #140

Thank you! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #57

Except the big name person that lamb campaigned with was Joe Biden JI7 Mar 2018 #27

I don't think Biden should run for President in 2020 either.... scheming daemons Mar 2018 #31

I agree with everything you said. Blue_true Mar 2018 #28

Bingo. This is what I am trying to say. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #33

Yes - let's roll over and play dead because the Republicans threaten to shoot us EffieBlack Mar 2018 #62

We have as effective or more effective potential leaders waiting in the wings. Blue_true Mar 2018 #73

Yes, we do. And while they're waiting in the wings, they need to build up their experience the way EffieBlack Mar 2018 #76

Do you really think Rs won't come up with attack messages against the younger reps? mcar Mar 2018 #123

Yep - they will never stop Thew Mar 2018 #137

+1000 EffieBlack Mar 2018 #151

Oh goodie. More "advice" for the Democrats NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #29

Are we? Really? hueymahl Mar 2018 #46

Oh good grief. They're crawling out of the woodwork. NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #51

Indeed they are hueymahl Mar 2018 #63

Hey, sortof kind of saying he is "pro-life" worked to get in this deep Red district, too. ehrnst Mar 2018 #95

Yes, I thought that was a shrewd political move hueymahl Mar 2018 #99

In the most Republican districts in the country. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #64

Regarding DiFi Me. Mar 2018 #86

Yeah, same age. I wonder what the difference is? NastyRiffraff Mar 2018 #104

One Is A Very Smart Effective Woman Me. Mar 2018 #118

Well, he is in the majority party currently, a big difference hueymahl Mar 2018 #125

You May Be Correct Me. Mar 2018 #139

I respect those that wish for the current leadership to remain in-tact hueymahl Mar 2018 #143

I Don't Wish Leadership To Change Willy Nilly Me. Mar 2018 #154

It may very well be time for new leadership. Well see EffieBlack Mar 2018 #155

Agree 100% hueymahl Mar 2018 #163

Yes, we have already seen the horrific results of the "burn it down to save it" mentality. deurbano Mar 2018 #177

She is definitely used by Republicans all jalan48 Mar 2018 #35

What's wrong with Democrats defending her? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #68

Democrats in conservative areas are jalan48 Mar 2018 #78

So what? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #85

Its a reality in todays elections. jalan48 Mar 2018 #98

So we follow the needs of the most conservative areas and abandon gun conrol now too? LOL - nope. bettyellen Mar 2018 #203

+1000! mcar Mar 2018 #128

Dems are a center-left/mainstream liberal party radius777 Mar 2018 #212

Unfortunately, that's true awesomerwb1 Mar 2018 #74

Any Dem in a leadership position would be attacked by Republicans mcar Mar 2018 #126

I agree and with Fox News serving as a jalan48 Mar 2018 #133

Removing anyone the Rs said bad things about is obviously not a good strategy mcar Mar 2018 #135

I like the way you stated that. jalan48 Mar 2018 #148

Thank you mcar Mar 2018 #150

little more than a fundamentally meaningless series of bumper-stickers LanternWaste Mar 2018 #36

They are appropriate shorthand hueymahl Mar 2018 #49

IMO, their age is irrelvant. Age has it benefits as does tenure. CentralMass Mar 2018 #37

New leadership is always great EffieBlack Mar 2018 #38

Republicans target Pelosi hueymahl Mar 2018 #54

What "recent record of leadership" belies my points? EffieBlack Mar 2018 #71

The list is long hueymahl Mar 2018 #96

Thanks. Now let's walk through these one-by-one: EffieBlack Mar 2018 #127

Clearly we are going to have to agree to disagree hueymahl Mar 2018 #138

Interesting EffieBlack Mar 2018 #144

I respect you, but you are doing a great job of misstating my positions hueymahl Mar 2018 #149

Well said. Owl Mar 2018 #205

Great Post! Caliman73 Mar 2018 #67

Beautifully said! EffieBlack Mar 2018 #82

Thanks for this awesome post Effie. n/t seaglass Mar 2018 #70

The Senate and the House is a seniority/experiential/networking game. yallerdawg Mar 2018 #44

A leader should have experience . And it should be earned with a bunch of Congressional terms octoberlib Mar 2018 #56

LOL. NOPE. Jettison the leadership the moment we need to recapture both houses to save the Republic? FreepFryer Mar 2018 #61

I don't think Pelosi will run again if we get the majority. NCTraveler Mar 2018 #69

Congressional leaders are chosen by their peers, who vote for them. If they want a newbie... Hekate Mar 2018 #75

Possibly zipplewrath Mar 2018 #80

Why do we have to push aside our friends and allies to workinclasszero Mar 2018 #87

I applaud her service but yes, absolutely, it is time for CHANGE. LBM20 Mar 2018 #90

She was elected by her peers. Do you think they don't know what the job entails? (nt) ehrnst Mar 2018 #100

If you need someone to "step aside" you're not strong enough for leadership.n/t delisen Mar 2018 #92

Bingo. (NT) ehrnst Mar 2018 #101

This bears repeating IMO workinclasszero Mar 2018 #102

That's actually a good point. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #158

I guess the last thing Dems need right now is experience and deep knowledge of the enemy. ehrnst Mar 2018 #93

Lamb advocated for Ryan to be replaced too for new leadership on both sides on aisle wishstar Mar 2018 #106

No. Just no. mcar Mar 2018 #112

Many of you are missing the whole point of the anti Pelosi venom. It could be Leader Moulton or OnDoutside Mar 2018 #117

If she announces she won't run for Speaker after midterms, there's nobody to put a target on scheming daemons Mar 2018 #156

That's an interesting idea. OnDoutside Mar 2018 #215

You're not supposed to say Bettie Mar 2018 #120

lol fail. stonecutter357 Mar 2018 #121

Meanwhile, Minority house speaker Pelosi is out at a rally supporting the youth walkout today. ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #129

In Georgia 6 greymattermom Mar 2018 #131

They use her as a bludgeon, and it works BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #160

Because if Nancy Pelosi werent Minority Leader, we would totally kick ass in the red districts. EffieBlack Mar 2018 #167

Who said that would be the case? BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #178

You really think that if they dont know who the next Speaker will be EffieBlack Mar 2018 #186

+1 leftstreet Mar 2018 #172

Elect a center-right Democrat and start negative spouting leadership... pbmus Mar 2018 #136

Agree on all counts BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #145

Stop just stop...he had to say that in order to distance himself from her because of Demsrule86 Mar 2018 #152

someone told me that when they contacted me for a donation....i asked why he felt he had to distance samnsara Mar 2018 #159

I think it goes beyond neophytes ismnotwasm Mar 2018 #162

Good Lord how right you are EffieBlack Mar 2018 #170

nope samnsara Mar 2018 #153

The top 3 people in the House NewJeffCT Mar 2018 #164

Because experience is SO overrated in a complicated institution driven by complicated EffieBlack Mar 2018 #175

Please, we need to work together msdogi Mar 2018 #165

Sorry, millennials, party leadership spots aren't handed out like participation trophies Tarc Mar 2018 #166

I am saying that if she announces she won't run for speakership before midterms, it could increase scheming daemons Mar 2018 #169

It makes sense to me BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #182

You must have known ... left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #168

It is ok... a robust debate on this is necessary. We're all Democrats. scheming daemons Mar 2018 #171

I'm old enough to remember the election of JFK ... left-of-center2012 Mar 2018 #188

That's what I find most ironic. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2018 #180

And...let the PILE ON commence.... TrollBuster9090 Mar 2018 #174

Nancy Pelosi Is Not the Problem erpowers Mar 2018 #176

We dont like your leader. Damn! they dont like our leader! Lets get rid of her and get EffieBlack Mar 2018 #181

Sounds a little hyperbolic to me. TrollBuster9090 Mar 2018 #192

Not at all EffieBlack Mar 2018 #208

Politely, I disagree. BadgerMom Mar 2018 #179

Right, let's get rid of all the successful Democrats. TheSmarterDog Mar 2018 #183

Thank you. This. n/t Boomer Mar 2018 #191

Sometimes you need wisdom and experience and judgment rather than resonation bucolic_frolic Mar 2018 #184

I'm going on the theory that the dems take both house and senate infullview Mar 2018 #187

They always have to find some stong woman to hate, Hillary is not in contention, so it's Pelosi, Motley13 Mar 2018 #190

Tell that to Al Franken. BannonsLiver Mar 2018 #193

What are you talking about? erlewyne Mar 2018 #194

" Impeachment is off the table." spike jones Mar 2018 #196

Pelosi appeared with the young people protesting gun violence Motley13 Mar 2018 #200

Pelosi is a convenient target for Republican simpletons Awsi Dooger Mar 2018 #201

It's Time.... LovingA2andMI Mar 2018 #204

Its not a mainstream Dem district, so no. We dont oppose gun control because of them either. bettyellen Mar 2018 #207

Lamb proved Seth Mouton correct. SleeplessinSoCal Mar 2018 #211

OFFS nini Mar 2018 #213

The modern Dem party is a cosmopolitan center-left party radius777 Mar 2018 #214

Whatevs. Sparkly Mar 2018 #216