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80. Since I basically agree with you on this, I'm probably not the best person to represent

Sun Jul 29, 2012, 04:18 PM

Jul 2012

the 'no draft ever again' position. But, based on my interactions with its adherents (many of whom were drafted, served noroably and were wounded), I would say it boils down the idea that killing people is such an awful thing that no one should ever be forced to do it against his or her will.

Pinboy (and other anti-draft vets), my apologies if I have fundamentally mis-stated your position on this. Since I've never seen combat, I feel like I owe it those who have to defer to their judgment somewhat, while agreeing with you on the principle of the thing. Does that make me a spineless, uncritical lemming? I would hope not, but I just have so much respect for the opinions of those who fought and suffered, as compared to my own opinions which have not been tested in the mettle of fire.

Hope that makes sense.

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What a fucking douche.... [View all] Aviation Pro Jul 2012 OP

You're being much kinder and more polite than I would be. Scuba Jul 2012 #1

I'm just getting warmed up... Aviation Pro Jul 2012 #2

Indeed. It's an insult to douches, which are (arguably) useful. TahitiNut Jul 2012 #54

Ouch! Did I Just Type This Jul 2012 #101

righteous rant. k&r Whisp Jul 2012 #3

Don't hold back... NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #4

HEY, SKP! elleng Jul 2012 #7

! NYC_SKP Jul 2012 #10

Mitt thinks war is just a hostile take over. JoePhilly Jul 2012 #5

Didn't watch, but 'read' him differently: elleng Jul 2012 #6

Which is why.... Aviation Pro Jul 2012 #11

One other fucking point.... Aviation Pro Jul 2012 #8

gawdamn a warmonger. gawdamn them all to hell. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #9

People who MAKE wars should be required to send their sons SoCalDem Jul 2012 #16

works for me. put your children where you mouth is, Rmoney. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #17

works for me to. nt Confusious Jul 2012 #77

Works for me as well! No more sanitizing. If they want war so badly, calimary Jul 2012 #100

Now, now radiclib Jul 2012 #12

Fine.... Aviation Pro Jul 2012 #15

You know, it used to be that leaders were leaders because they were strategic and capable warriors siligut Jul 2012 #13

ditto, only he has lots more family he can send to war (girls too) lunatica Jul 2012 #14

looks like Duggar's city cousins. Tuesday Afternoon Jul 2012 #18

Oh look at all those surrogates' children Iliyah Jul 2012 #22

I know where you're coming from but his children and grandchildren coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #24

If he doesn't believe in the 'conflict' enough obxhead Jul 2012 #27

Actually, I think it was the little girls and boys in the pic coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #55

I understand what your saying, but obxhead Jul 2012 #69

If you're old enough to go to war, you are old enough to vote. A Simple Game Jul 2012 #86

This message was self-deleted by its author coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #60

You're trying to say that you care... Aviation Pro Jul 2012 #28

I do indeed remember everything this fucking sociopathic fucker has done (that has coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #56

I agree treestar Jul 2012 #89

The faux monarchy of the U.S. might feel this way xmas74 Jul 2012 #71

but ours should? No, he has come out and said his sons are "serving the Country" by campaigning. progressivebydesign Jul 2012 #44

Yeah, that's the question. No one's kids or grandkids (not even his own) coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #65

Mitt's children and grandchildren should be grist for the mill just as any other child.... Raster Jul 2012 #64

Agree with you 100% on that. Having universal military conscription, imo, coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #68

and what would be the logical reason for not mandating conscription? And quite frankly I will not Raster Jul 2012 #74

Since I basically agree with you on this, I'm probably not the best person to represent coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #80

I completely get that drafting innocent kids to fight in a godless war for greed or vanity is wrong. Raster Jul 2012 #81

Yeah, you're eloquently summing up one side of the debate (the side with coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #84

but sadly in this country, barbtries Jul 2012 #88

Why not? atreides1 Jul 2012 #106

His five sons are doing their "duty" ... napkinz Jul 2012 #50

Iran IS NOT Iraq. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #19

Last time I checked, Iran had over 1,000,000 men in its Army and close to 100,000 coalition_unwilling Jul 2012 #29

Remember PNAC, it's not just Iran. They're drooling over Syria & Egypt too. Checkout Rmoneys remarks patrice Jul 2012 #61

pre-emptive war was hitler's MO newspeak Jul 2012 #72

Don't forget the Harrimans and the Bushes. Ikonoklast Jul 2012 #76

I couldn't have said it better myself. N/T tabasco Jul 2012 #20

what does n/t stand for? darkangel218 Jul 2012 #40

Hi! Welcome to DU. From The Ashes Jul 2012 #46

Hello and thanx! darkangel218 Jul 2012 #66

No Text xxqqqzme Jul 2012 #47

Yes, I saw that. Stinky The Clown Jul 2012 #21

I counted 8 cuss words. I bet some stopped at the 2nd one. n-t Logical Jul 2012 #23

Why did you count.... Aviation Pro Jul 2012 #25

I find a lot of cuss words distracting. And not helpful. But to each his own. n-t Logical Jul 2012 #26

Sorry the guy .. 99Forever Jul 2012 #35

OK, that explains why I see a lot of "FUCK" words in the NYT headlines! LOL! Logical Jul 2012 #42

I have almost ... 99Forever Jul 2012 #48

My feelings egg-zact-ly! bayareaboy Jul 2012 #67

In context I find cuss words to be quite entertaining lunatica Jul 2012 #63

Then it seems ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #49

Yeah you fucking douche! lonestarnot Jul 2012 #30

He's a traditionalist: rich men send the sons of poor men to fight their battles Tom Ripley Jul 2012 #31

I watched it. It's total oblivion for rmoney. He's too scary to be POTUS. t snappyturtle Jul 2012 #32

A perfect rant! Big K&R 99Forever Jul 2012 #33

The White Horse Prophecy thelordofhell Jul 2012 #34

There isn't enough Mormons to pull it off secondvariety Jul 2012 #85

Thank God Ann doesn't have a Lippizaner... Cherchez la Femme Jul 2012 #94

Red State NASCAR fans LOVE dressage!!! nikto Jul 2012 #97

ALL Red State NASCAR fans LOVE LOVE LOVE Dressage!! nikto Jul 2012 #99

off topic, but what does "nt" mean? i see it all the time darkangel218 Jul 2012 #36

"No text" n/t BlueStater Jul 2012 #39

ahhhh! okay i got it, thanx! :) darkangel218 Jul 2012 #41

Means that the Reply title: is all there is in that particular post. nt patrice Jul 2012 #62

Incredibly, this post was alerted on. The jury voted 6/0 to let it stand. ohiosmith Jul 2012 #95

WORD Bluerthanblue Jul 2012 #37

It's just the blood of the poor. He's willing to spare it. RagAss Jul 2012 #38

You have to understand Mitt's problem ... napkinz Jul 2012 #43

beautiful rant. heaven05 Jul 2012 #45

And Cheney is handing out atta-boys for tough talk in Isreal. DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THEM!! patrice Jul 2012 #51

The FUCKING House of "Representatives" if FULL of American Exceptionalists!! nt patrice Jul 2012 #52

yeah, and he'll want to pay for it on the backs of the poor newspeak Jul 2012 #70

In truth, that even includes low-paid military, who I guess remain uninformed because they ARE patrice Jul 2012 #78

I caught the interview ... bayareaboy Jul 2012 #53

sheesh, talk about eschatological excesses hfojvt Jul 2012 #57

Eh, V's rant was better.... Aviation Pro Jul 2012 #79

V's rant was much better hfojvt Jul 2012 #83

I like the way you talk, LOL! n/t Greybnk48 Jul 2012 #58

Draft dodger? Rosa Luxemburg Jul 2012 #59

So how are we going to pay for it? I mean since he's going to be following #43's nc4bo Jul 2012 #73

Some of those deals going down in back rooms in response to the Derivative Crash + LIBOR will get patrice Jul 2012 #75

He wants the US to be the Spain of the Imperial era. HuckleB Jul 2012 #82

Fucking McCain reject ...and that says it all! L0oniX Jul 2012 #87

Here is another follow-up you won't hear on Big Media Doctor_J Jul 2012 #90

YEAHHH!!!! (a la H.Dean...) liam_laddie Jul 2012 #91

That has been a perplexing question... amerciti001 Jul 2012 #92

the neocons are in control of the reThug party. hadley, bolton spanone Jul 2012 #93

Let your love of Willard shine through Angry Dragon Jul 2012 #96

Red State NASCAR fans all LOVE Dressage!! nikto Jul 2012 #97

I read your post, Did I Just Type This Jul 2012 #102

Hahahahaha "You raaaaang?" Dash87 Jul 2012 #103

He wouldn't be doing it if he thought there wasn't an audience for it NNN0LHI Jul 2012 #104

That is all-time DU classic rant underpants Jul 2012 #105