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Gothmog

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130. You got to be kidding-I am Jewish-do you I have your permission to not like Sanders?

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 08:24 PM

Apr 2018

Sanders is really not popular at my congregation and I am not alone is not having any respect for Sanders. I still remember the gripes that I heard during the breaks for High Holy Day services about sanders speaking to Jerry Falwell's school on a High Holy Day a couple of years ago. Some of the active Democrats in the congregation were really pissed at Sanders for going to Liberty University on a High Holy Day. BTW, Jerry Falwell is not that popular in my congregation.

I was a delegate to the National Convention. I remember a sanders supporter wearing a cross yelling at delegates going into one of the Jewish caucus meetings that we were bad Jews for not supporting sanders. It was a really strange experience. My daughter saw this same guy doing this at another Jewish caucus event. BTW 80+% of the Jewish delegates to the national convention did not support sanders. Are these Jewish delegates all guilty of anti-semitism?

Implying that any attacks on Sanders are based on anti-semitism is really dumb. You have made this baseless claim on other threads.

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OPINION: Mississippi Women's Activist - Bernie Sanders Can't Come to the Cookout [View all] EffieBlack Apr 2018 OP

Here's one example of Bernie's activism in the civil rights movement Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #1

Thank you. n/t RDANGELO Apr 2018 #2

Early 60s being the operative term EffieBlack Apr 2018 #3

The only dismissiveness here is on your part Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #5

I dont dismiss it at all. I just refuse to elevate it into something it wasnt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #6

Yes it was dismissive Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #24

Can you name 3 actions that Bernie took in the last 40 years in support of civil rights for POC EffieBlack Apr 2018 #25

I'll be glad to answer that when you've answered my questions Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #32

In other words, you cant think of anything EffieBlack Apr 2018 #34

Sorry, not everyone thinks so highly of what BS is doing in Jackson, Mississippi.. Cha Apr 2018 #36

Ahhh...FYI, it wasn't that unusual for white people to protest with the civil rights movement in... brush Apr 2018 #127

Especially among college students in Chicago. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #141

What is your standard for political or personal risk? progressoid Apr 2018 #35

You seem to be an intelligent, literate person - Im sure I dont need to define it for you EffieBlack Apr 2018 #41

Right on...agree iluvtennis Apr 2018 #47

Actually you do need to define your terms. progressoid Apr 2018 #55

No, they dont. Not even close. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #67

See? Told ya you have to define it. progressoid Apr 2018 #72

You're right - I looked several times, but totally missed his name EffieBlack Apr 2018 #84

It's clear Sanders doesn't meet your standard. However, this still begs the question, does anyone? progressoid Apr 2018 #90

This has nothing to with Hillary EffieBlack Apr 2018 #92

People must risk their careers to meet your approval/acceptance? KPN Apr 2018 #187

Oh, please - don't be ridiculous or put words on my my posts EffieBlack Apr 2018 #190

Ouch again. KPN Apr 2018 #191

Of course it does, you just said as much yourself. KPN Apr 2018 #208

There are serious problems with racially disparate "justice" in Vermont. lapucelle Apr 2018 #204

I just adore you. You are so fearless. 😊 nt jrthin Apr 2018 #107

:-) EffieBlack Apr 2018 #114

There's work to be done in Vermont. lapucelle Apr 2018 #202

Interesting. Has Bernie responded to or addressed this issue? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #203

Not that I've heard. The Vermont Poor People's Campaign lapucelle Apr 2018 #206

That would have been a nice event for him to attend instead of going to Jackson nt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #209

I think it would have been more in the spirit of the day than a campaign-style event. N/T lapucelle Apr 2018 #213

The state legislators and governor should work on that. N/t TCJ70 Apr 2018 #210

So should the U.S. Senator who represents them EffieBlack Apr 2018 #218

There is a critique that Jewish people benefit from white supremacy. David__77 Apr 2018 #66

What does that have to do with the OP and the discussion? Did I miss something? George II Apr 2018 #131

What? mcar Apr 2018 #132

Wut?... SidDithers Apr 2018 #146

Wait. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #175

He pretty much did it over only about a 2-year period, in Chicago. George II Apr 2018 #176

Then as mayor of this whitest area of the country, he and others made it a resettlement area karynnj Apr 2018 #102

That's great and very laudable EffieBlack Apr 2018 #106

Your numbers still do not add up - what are the other 4? karynnj Apr 2018 #111

You know there are other demographic groups besides blacks and Asians, right? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #112

Correction - the white population is 84%, not 86% EffieBlack Apr 2018 #113

Was that a county initiative or a Burlington initiative? If it was by the county.... George II Apr 2018 #136

Ouch. KPN Apr 2018 #184

Holding him up as "some great civil rights icon? Who has done that? KPN Apr 2018 #185

I am glad he also opposed the anti-gay agenda before it was cool to do so. David__77 Apr 2018 #8

But then there's that not so thinly veiled "identity politics" dog whistle from the 2016 campaign. brush Apr 2018 #17

It's interesting that the "identity politics" charge only seems to apply to Bernie progressoid Apr 2018 #65

That was a long time ago. What was he doing for civll rights in the decade before pnwmom Apr 2018 #39

You ask a very good question about "the hate for Bernie on here" Jim Lane Apr 2018 #59

Good statements- thank you. David__77 Apr 2018 #62

And after that? George II Apr 2018 #105

He is fighting for us all the 99% which includes all colors and creeds. Why can't all see this? The Wielding Truth Apr 2018 #152

Bernie's civil rights record is sterling, but hey, while we're on that subject,let's bash him anyway InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #154

Weak...Where is the beef in this column? BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #4

That should put a sock in that thread... but it won't Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #7

No, it will not because trying to force black folks to shut up about Bernie is a nonstarter EffieBlack Apr 2018 #10

That column is an airball BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #13

Just because YOU dont agree doesnt make it an air ball. Why not THINK about what shes saying EffieBlack Apr 2018 #20

Do you have a link showing where he said that? Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #27

Oh, please EffieBlack Apr 2018 #29

Or Mayor Lumumba BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #31

Or Senator Manchin EffieBlack Apr 2018 #37

You made a damning claim you can't back up Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #33

Nice try EffieBlack Apr 2018 #42

YOU are the one that made the statement. progressoid Apr 2018 #61

You posted that the thread should be hidden, as this OP was earlier. yardwork Apr 2018 #87

Really? sheshe2 Apr 2018 #170

You failed to mention the authors answer to the commentator you claimed deflated the whole thing EffieBlack Apr 2018 #9

Well, the cookout went on with Sanders and Mayor Lumumba! David__77 Apr 2018 #12

Coverage of that here BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #14

It would perhaps be far better to support the death penalty and financial deregulation. David__77 Apr 2018 #16

No minds will be changed here but a few links and contrast of Bernie and Hillary during the era. CentralMass Apr 2018 #11

Sanders also opposes the death penalty. David__77 Apr 2018 #15

The difference is that Bernie came to it accidentally ucrdem Apr 2018 #19

What does Hillary have to do with this? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #21

This post is do ridiculous and biased John Fante Apr 2018 #74

Dismantled? sheshe2 Apr 2018 #183

Hillary was a high school girl radical noodle Apr 2018 #23

Hillary was President of the Wellesley Young Republicans Club AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #134

I'm sure you also know that was during her freshman year radical noodle Apr 2018 #160

Again, she was in college, not high school. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #167

She was in high school radical noodle Apr 2018 #186

I'm not disputing that. I'm saying she still identified as a Republican in college. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #188

Yes, in her first year radical noodle Apr 2018 #189

I didn't bring it up ... I responded. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #192

As was I radical noodle Apr 2018 #193

The reality is quite the opposite. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #194

Not really eom radical noodle Apr 2018 #196

Oh deary deary me, the Goldwater Girl thing again. J'accuse! Oh, to be a 16 y.o. in high school! Hekate Apr 2018 #45

OH NO.. Not the Goldwater Girl.. LMAO Cha Apr 2018 #57

He was in this crowd: George II Apr 2018 #149

This discussion is about Sanders. Surely you're not trying to re-fight the primaries, are you? George II Apr 2018 #171

No minds will be changed here, but I heard that Hillary was a teenaged werewolf. betsuni Apr 2018 #178

She also stuck gum under her desk and smoked in the little girls' room. George II Apr 2018 #180

False comparison...Hillary is not involved and one protest in Chicago does not a civil rights Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #205

I marched against the US policy towards the Sandinistas in Austin. TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #18

:-) EffieBlack Apr 2018 #22

I think it's worthwhile to listen to what this Black Woman in Mississippi feels about this.. Cha Apr 2018 #26

Mahalo, Cha EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28

Oh dear.. BS in Jackson, Mississippi dissing the Demcratic Party.. Cha Apr 2018 #30

Ask Robert Reich PaulX2 Apr 2018 #38

More whitesplaining EffieBlack Apr 2018 #44

Shame on Robert Reich.. insulting Cha Apr 2018 #56

Its pretty stunning EffieBlack Apr 2018 #60

It's hard to even wrap my head around Cha Apr 2018 #64

Posted as proof that Bernie is great on civil rights and blacks people are wrong if we dont agree EffieBlack Apr 2018 #68

Anti-Semitism is racism. David__77 Apr 2018 #52

You got to be kidding-I am Jewish-do you I have your permission to not like Sanders? Gothmog Apr 2018 #130

Some people do not think anti-Semitism is racism. David__77 Apr 2018 #139

You keep making this rather bogus claim that has no basis in reality Gothmog Apr 2018 #150

Seems that if one criticizes Sanders it's not because we disagree with his policy positions.... George II Apr 2018 #161

Anti-semitism is real and has taken off under trump Gothmog Apr 2018 #174

I said no such things. David__77 Apr 2018 #173

Please stop making these bogus and rather dumb attacks Gothmog Apr 2018 #177

It was someone else who said "How DARE a black woman speak ill of Saint Bernie." David__77 Apr 2018 #179

Are You kidding? Gothmog Apr 2018 #199

Jewish people are dealing with anti-Semites in the world. David__77 Apr 2018 #207

Yes we are Gothmog Apr 2018 #212

Thank you. David__77 Apr 2018 #214

Are you introducing this into the discussion because Sanders is Jewish? George II Apr 2018 #153

Which has what to do with this OP? mcar Apr 2018 #133

Nothing Gothmog Apr 2018 #135

It makes no sense, Gothmog mcar Apr 2018 #138

Agreed Gothmog Apr 2018 #156

But what does that have to do with the subject of this discussion? George II Apr 2018 #143

It is a way to distract from the real issues Gothmog Apr 2018 #158

I love how you reduce HRC to just a white woman. All that vagina voter crap really backfired. bettyellen Apr 2018 #195

I think that is incorrect. David__77 Apr 2018 #219

You are calling the Clinton's oligarchs, that is it, I have had ENOUGH Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #221

Oh good, another thread that criticizes Bernie. Bluepinky Apr 2018 #40

You "get over it".. A Black Woman in Jackson, Mississippi is Cha Apr 2018 #43

Wow EffieBlack Apr 2018 #46

I hope so.. Very patronizing.. Cha Apr 2018 #49

And he and they are doubling down. I now fully expect an all out attack on the D party Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #222

Of course he and they are.. no Cha Apr 2018 #224

And why is he at a MLK commemoration talking about Democratic partys business model anyway? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #48

I know.. this being the whole point of your OP. Cha Apr 2018 #50

Yup. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #51

Smh.. he thought the best day to go after Obama Cha Apr 2018 #54

He did no such thing melman Apr 2018 #58

You obviously have no clue.. Cha Apr 2018 #63

Saying on this day of all days that electing a black president to two terms was a failure EffieBlack Apr 2018 #69

It's unreal and untrue.. Cha Apr 2018 #71

Reading comprehension issues or illiteracy? TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #78

Oh, melman. betsuni Apr 2018 #79

Thank you for posting this. Extremely offensive. betsuni Apr 2018 #70

There's more.. So very patronizing and going negative instead of talking about Accomplishments. Cha Apr 2018 #73

President Obama will go on to do great things. betsuni Apr 2018 #75

Oh yes! President Obama's legacy and excellent works will go on and on no matter who tries to drag Cha Apr 2018 #77

On Bernie Sanders Underground, all roads lead to Sanders. David__77 Apr 2018 #53

Hmmm... TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #80

This used to be Bernie Sanders Underground... SidDithers Apr 2018 #157

Oh great, another post saying the Bernie can't be held up for criticism TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #76

There seems to be some misunderstanding about this thread Maeve Apr 2018 #81

Yes, it was hidden a couple of days ago, but restored a few minutes ago. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #85

.. Cha Apr 2018 #97

I'm glad that the unjustifiable hide was overturned! yardwork Apr 2018 #82

Well probably still be fighting over Bernie in 2050. Oneironaut Apr 2018 #83

So, now criticizing Bernie Sanders is "eating our own?" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #86

No, but some unity in our party is needed. Oneironaut Apr 2018 #88

I'm not devoting all of my energy to raising questions about Bernie Sanders EffieBlack Apr 2018 #89

My comment was more directed to the constant tit-for-tat Bernie divisiveness. Oneironaut Apr 2018 #216

I look forward to seeing the same comment mcar Apr 2018 #100

Boom. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #108

Perhaps you should address that to our Outreach Chairman. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #116

Then Sen. Sanders shouldn't go down to Mississippi and say the stuff he said about Democrats and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #119

That's the point, it's OUR party, no one else's. George II Apr 2018 #123

Yep, how dare he attack Pres. Obama who is the best president of my lifetime. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #169

Me too, and I'll bet I've lived during more Presidencies than you (haha!) George II Apr 2018 #172

Bernie is not a Democrat.... Adrahil Apr 2018 #91

wow...somebody reads the challenges? I've never even gotten a response. I'm glad you got the hide JCanete Apr 2018 #93

There weren't two different threads at first EffieBlack Apr 2018 #94

ah, I see. makes sense! nt JCanete Apr 2018 #96

This thread was gone when the other one posted. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #120

I suggest that you contact the administrators TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #125

This is an open forum/site. I know I don't question what anyone else posts and.... George II Apr 2018 #197

nothing is the big deal, it wsas just a question, and then, way before like 3 of these responses JCanete Apr 2018 #198

DU rec... SidDithers Apr 2018 #95

K&R! mcar Apr 2018 #98

Thank you for posting this... glad to see you victorious! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #99

And now a word from your sponsor: tavernier Apr 2018 #101

A good time to register voters and other GOTV efforts is at rallies. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #103

Good point! tavernier Apr 2018 #110

More Sanders knee capping Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #104

Or maybe they just don't agree with him EffieBlack Apr 2018 #109

"Can't come to the cookout" isn't reasonable criticism Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #115

The fact that YOU don't like how the criticism is framed doesn't mean its unreasonable EffieBlack Apr 2018 #118

Yes, I understand "feelings" based criticism Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #140

That's how the author put it. "Tribal signaling"? Who is the tribe, and what is the signal? George II Apr 2018 #182

"Tribal signaling"? What does that even mean? What tribe are you talking about? N/T lapucelle Apr 2018 #217

Who is "they?" (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #117

No, this and other threads is a response to criticism of the party and President Obama. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #122

He did not criticize President Obama Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #151

You are wrong Gothmog Apr 2018 #200

Did you see/hear what he said about the Democratic Party and President Obama? George II Apr 2018 #124

Yes Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #142

That was not "complimentary", he said that Obama was charismatic, then went on with a huge.... George II Apr 2018 #144

Yeah. Putting words in his mouth Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #148

In what way? George II Apr 2018 #165

Exactly. The 50/50 AA/white audience gave him a standing ovation before & after he spoke. .. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #145

Wrong. As reported in the Jackson Free Press the audience was predominantly white. betsuni Apr 2018 #147

Not according to witness observation. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #155

I'm supposed to believe a guy who says 85% then changes it to 50% who is clearly betsuni Apr 2018 #159

:) sheshe2 Apr 2018 #163

How about the NY Times ??? AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #164

Did the Times have a reporter there, or were they relying on anecdotal observations? George II Apr 2018 #168

I think it means that although only 15% of the city population is white, lapucelle Apr 2018 #220

So an anonomousy person on twitter is to be believed... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #162

There were four people on that stage, three were Black. Of course they weren't applauding them. George II Apr 2018 #166

Who is "they"? N/T lapucelle Apr 2018 #215

K&R betsuni Apr 2018 #121

Rec! LexVegas Apr 2018 #126

Kick sheshe2 Apr 2018 #128

Welcome Back sheshe2 Apr 2018 #129

K&R Gothmog Apr 2018 #137

Effie saidsimplesimon Apr 2018 #181

One of those Bernie is the enemy, not Trump and rethugs. lovemydogs Apr 2018 #201

Just consider it to be constructive criticism from an ally EffieBlack Apr 2018 #211

KnR! R B Garr Apr 2018 #223