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EffieBlack

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190. Oh, please - don't be ridiculous or put words on my my posts

Sat Apr 7, 2018, 11:31 PM

Apr 2018

This has nothing to do with "meeting my approval" (although, as a voter, any candidate wanting my vote needs to clear that hurdle ...)

Bernie Sanders and his supporters consistently point to his long-ago protest and arrest as proof of his civil rights bona fides while ignoring the fact that he hasn't been much of a civil rights crusader since. I simply asked what he's done in the past 50 years to fight for civil rights for African Americans - and not just things like "he voted against taking away Pell Grants from prisoners" or he endorsed Jesse Jackson or the other things folks love to list but aren't anything special that a liberal senator with a liberal constituency would do as a matter of course.

I really don't care that Sanders hasn't been a leader on civil rights in the last 50 years. He's been on the right side of the issues and votes right, so I'm fine with his record. But I do resent being told that he's supposed to get some special consideration as if he's done something so unique and courageous that he should be given extra credit by black voters because he got arrested 50 years ago. He's just not that special to us and hasn't earned a lifetime civil rights gold medal along with our endless gratitude.

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OPINION: Mississippi Women's Activist - Bernie Sanders Can't Come to the Cookout [View all] EffieBlack Apr 2018 OP

Here's one example of Bernie's activism in the civil rights movement Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #1

Thank you. n/t RDANGELO Apr 2018 #2

Early 60s being the operative term EffieBlack Apr 2018 #3

The only dismissiveness here is on your part Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #5

I dont dismiss it at all. I just refuse to elevate it into something it wasnt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #6

Yes it was dismissive Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #24

Can you name 3 actions that Bernie took in the last 40 years in support of civil rights for POC EffieBlack Apr 2018 #25

I'll be glad to answer that when you've answered my questions Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #32

In other words, you cant think of anything EffieBlack Apr 2018 #34

Sorry, not everyone thinks so highly of what BS is doing in Jackson, Mississippi.. Cha Apr 2018 #36

Ahhh...FYI, it wasn't that unusual for white people to protest with the civil rights movement in... brush Apr 2018 #127

Especially among college students in Chicago. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #141

What is your standard for political or personal risk? progressoid Apr 2018 #35

You seem to be an intelligent, literate person - Im sure I dont need to define it for you EffieBlack Apr 2018 #41

Right on...agree iluvtennis Apr 2018 #47

Actually you do need to define your terms. progressoid Apr 2018 #55

No, they dont. Not even close. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #67

See? Told ya you have to define it. progressoid Apr 2018 #72

You're right - I looked several times, but totally missed his name EffieBlack Apr 2018 #84

It's clear Sanders doesn't meet your standard. However, this still begs the question, does anyone? progressoid Apr 2018 #90

This has nothing to with Hillary EffieBlack Apr 2018 #92

People must risk their careers to meet your approval/acceptance? KPN Apr 2018 #187

Oh, please - don't be ridiculous or put words on my my posts EffieBlack Apr 2018 #190

Ouch again. KPN Apr 2018 #191

Of course it does, you just said as much yourself. KPN Apr 2018 #208

There are serious problems with racially disparate "justice" in Vermont. lapucelle Apr 2018 #204

I just adore you. You are so fearless. 😊 nt jrthin Apr 2018 #107

:-) EffieBlack Apr 2018 #114

There's work to be done in Vermont. lapucelle Apr 2018 #202

Interesting. Has Bernie responded to or addressed this issue? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #203

Not that I've heard. The Vermont Poor People's Campaign lapucelle Apr 2018 #206

That would have been a nice event for him to attend instead of going to Jackson nt EffieBlack Apr 2018 #209

I think it would have been more in the spirit of the day than a campaign-style event. N/T lapucelle Apr 2018 #213

The state legislators and governor should work on that. N/t TCJ70 Apr 2018 #210

So should the U.S. Senator who represents them EffieBlack Apr 2018 #218

There is a critique that Jewish people benefit from white supremacy. David__77 Apr 2018 #66

What does that have to do with the OP and the discussion? Did I miss something? George II Apr 2018 #131

What? mcar Apr 2018 #132

Wut?... SidDithers Apr 2018 #146

Wait. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #175

He pretty much did it over only about a 2-year period, in Chicago. George II Apr 2018 #176

Then as mayor of this whitest area of the country, he and others made it a resettlement area karynnj Apr 2018 #102

That's great and very laudable EffieBlack Apr 2018 #106

Your numbers still do not add up - what are the other 4? karynnj Apr 2018 #111

You know there are other demographic groups besides blacks and Asians, right? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #112

Correction - the white population is 84%, not 86% EffieBlack Apr 2018 #113

Was that a county initiative or a Burlington initiative? If it was by the county.... George II Apr 2018 #136

Ouch. KPN Apr 2018 #184

Holding him up as "some great civil rights icon? Who has done that? KPN Apr 2018 #185

I am glad he also opposed the anti-gay agenda before it was cool to do so. David__77 Apr 2018 #8

But then there's that not so thinly veiled "identity politics" dog whistle from the 2016 campaign. brush Apr 2018 #17

It's interesting that the "identity politics" charge only seems to apply to Bernie progressoid Apr 2018 #65

That was a long time ago. What was he doing for civll rights in the decade before pnwmom Apr 2018 #39

You ask a very good question about "the hate for Bernie on here" Jim Lane Apr 2018 #59

Good statements- thank you. David__77 Apr 2018 #62

And after that? George II Apr 2018 #105

He is fighting for us all the 99% which includes all colors and creeds. Why can't all see this? The Wielding Truth Apr 2018 #152

Bernie's civil rights record is sterling, but hey, while we're on that subject,let's bash him anyway InAbLuEsTaTe Apr 2018 #154

Weak...Where is the beef in this column? BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #4

That should put a sock in that thread... but it won't Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #7

No, it will not because trying to force black folks to shut up about Bernie is a nonstarter EffieBlack Apr 2018 #10

That column is an airball BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #13

Just because YOU dont agree doesnt make it an air ball. Why not THINK about what shes saying EffieBlack Apr 2018 #20

Do you have a link showing where he said that? Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #27

Oh, please EffieBlack Apr 2018 #29

Or Mayor Lumumba BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #31

Or Senator Manchin EffieBlack Apr 2018 #37

You made a damning claim you can't back up Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #33

Nice try EffieBlack Apr 2018 #42

YOU are the one that made the statement. progressoid Apr 2018 #61

You posted that the thread should be hidden, as this OP was earlier. yardwork Apr 2018 #87

Really? sheshe2 Apr 2018 #170

You failed to mention the authors answer to the commentator you claimed deflated the whole thing EffieBlack Apr 2018 #9

Well, the cookout went on with Sanders and Mayor Lumumba! David__77 Apr 2018 #12

Coverage of that here BeyondGeography Apr 2018 #14

It would perhaps be far better to support the death penalty and financial deregulation. David__77 Apr 2018 #16

No minds will be changed here but a few links and contrast of Bernie and Hillary during the era. CentralMass Apr 2018 #11

Sanders also opposes the death penalty. David__77 Apr 2018 #15

The difference is that Bernie came to it accidentally ucrdem Apr 2018 #19

What does Hillary have to do with this? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #21

This post is do ridiculous and biased John Fante Apr 2018 #74

Dismantled? sheshe2 Apr 2018 #183

Hillary was a high school girl radical noodle Apr 2018 #23

Hillary was President of the Wellesley Young Republicans Club AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #134

I'm sure you also know that was during her freshman year radical noodle Apr 2018 #160

Again, she was in college, not high school. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #167

She was in high school radical noodle Apr 2018 #186

I'm not disputing that. I'm saying she still identified as a Republican in college. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #188

Yes, in her first year radical noodle Apr 2018 #189

I didn't bring it up ... I responded. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #192

As was I radical noodle Apr 2018 #193

The reality is quite the opposite. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #194

Not really eom radical noodle Apr 2018 #196

Oh deary deary me, the Goldwater Girl thing again. J'accuse! Oh, to be a 16 y.o. in high school! Hekate Apr 2018 #45

OH NO.. Not the Goldwater Girl.. LMAO Cha Apr 2018 #57

He was in this crowd: George II Apr 2018 #149

This discussion is about Sanders. Surely you're not trying to re-fight the primaries, are you? George II Apr 2018 #171

No minds will be changed here, but I heard that Hillary was a teenaged werewolf. betsuni Apr 2018 #178

She also stuck gum under her desk and smoked in the little girls' room. George II Apr 2018 #180

False comparison...Hillary is not involved and one protest in Chicago does not a civil rights Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #205

I marched against the US policy towards the Sandinistas in Austin. TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #18

:-) EffieBlack Apr 2018 #22

I think it's worthwhile to listen to what this Black Woman in Mississippi feels about this.. Cha Apr 2018 #26

Mahalo, Cha EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28

Oh dear.. BS in Jackson, Mississippi dissing the Demcratic Party.. Cha Apr 2018 #30

Ask Robert Reich PaulX2 Apr 2018 #38

More whitesplaining EffieBlack Apr 2018 #44

Shame on Robert Reich.. insulting Cha Apr 2018 #56

Its pretty stunning EffieBlack Apr 2018 #60

It's hard to even wrap my head around Cha Apr 2018 #64

Posted as proof that Bernie is great on civil rights and blacks people are wrong if we dont agree EffieBlack Apr 2018 #68

Anti-Semitism is racism. David__77 Apr 2018 #52

You got to be kidding-I am Jewish-do you I have your permission to not like Sanders? Gothmog Apr 2018 #130

Some people do not think anti-Semitism is racism. David__77 Apr 2018 #139

You keep making this rather bogus claim that has no basis in reality Gothmog Apr 2018 #150

Seems that if one criticizes Sanders it's not because we disagree with his policy positions.... George II Apr 2018 #161

Anti-semitism is real and has taken off under trump Gothmog Apr 2018 #174

I said no such things. David__77 Apr 2018 #173

Please stop making these bogus and rather dumb attacks Gothmog Apr 2018 #177

It was someone else who said "How DARE a black woman speak ill of Saint Bernie." David__77 Apr 2018 #179

Are You kidding? Gothmog Apr 2018 #199

Jewish people are dealing with anti-Semites in the world. David__77 Apr 2018 #207

Yes we are Gothmog Apr 2018 #212

Thank you. David__77 Apr 2018 #214

Are you introducing this into the discussion because Sanders is Jewish? George II Apr 2018 #153

Which has what to do with this OP? mcar Apr 2018 #133

Nothing Gothmog Apr 2018 #135

It makes no sense, Gothmog mcar Apr 2018 #138

Agreed Gothmog Apr 2018 #156

But what does that have to do with the subject of this discussion? George II Apr 2018 #143

It is a way to distract from the real issues Gothmog Apr 2018 #158

I love how you reduce HRC to just a white woman. All that vagina voter crap really backfired. bettyellen Apr 2018 #195

I think that is incorrect. David__77 Apr 2018 #219

You are calling the Clinton's oligarchs, that is it, I have had ENOUGH Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #221

Oh good, another thread that criticizes Bernie. Bluepinky Apr 2018 #40

You "get over it".. A Black Woman in Jackson, Mississippi is Cha Apr 2018 #43

Wow EffieBlack Apr 2018 #46

I hope so.. Very patronizing.. Cha Apr 2018 #49

And he and they are doubling down. I now fully expect an all out attack on the D party Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #222

Of course he and they are.. no Cha Apr 2018 #224

And why is he at a MLK commemoration talking about Democratic partys business model anyway? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #48

I know.. this being the whole point of your OP. Cha Apr 2018 #50

Yup. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #51

Smh.. he thought the best day to go after Obama Cha Apr 2018 #54

He did no such thing melman Apr 2018 #58

You obviously have no clue.. Cha Apr 2018 #63

Saying on this day of all days that electing a black president to two terms was a failure EffieBlack Apr 2018 #69

It's unreal and untrue.. Cha Apr 2018 #71

Reading comprehension issues or illiteracy? TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #78

Oh, melman. betsuni Apr 2018 #79

Thank you for posting this. Extremely offensive. betsuni Apr 2018 #70

There's more.. So very patronizing and going negative instead of talking about Accomplishments. Cha Apr 2018 #73

President Obama will go on to do great things. betsuni Apr 2018 #75

Oh yes! President Obama's legacy and excellent works will go on and on no matter who tries to drag Cha Apr 2018 #77

On Bernie Sanders Underground, all roads lead to Sanders. David__77 Apr 2018 #53

Hmmm... TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #80

This used to be Bernie Sanders Underground... SidDithers Apr 2018 #157

Oh great, another post saying the Bernie can't be held up for criticism TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #76

There seems to be some misunderstanding about this thread Maeve Apr 2018 #81

Yes, it was hidden a couple of days ago, but restored a few minutes ago. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #85

.. Cha Apr 2018 #97

I'm glad that the unjustifiable hide was overturned! yardwork Apr 2018 #82

Well probably still be fighting over Bernie in 2050. Oneironaut Apr 2018 #83

So, now criticizing Bernie Sanders is "eating our own?" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #86

No, but some unity in our party is needed. Oneironaut Apr 2018 #88

I'm not devoting all of my energy to raising questions about Bernie Sanders EffieBlack Apr 2018 #89

My comment was more directed to the constant tit-for-tat Bernie divisiveness. Oneironaut Apr 2018 #216

I look forward to seeing the same comment mcar Apr 2018 #100

Boom. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #108

Perhaps you should address that to our Outreach Chairman. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #116

Then Sen. Sanders shouldn't go down to Mississippi and say the stuff he said about Democrats and Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #119

That's the point, it's OUR party, no one else's. George II Apr 2018 #123

Yep, how dare he attack Pres. Obama who is the best president of my lifetime. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #169

Me too, and I'll bet I've lived during more Presidencies than you (haha!) George II Apr 2018 #172

Bernie is not a Democrat.... Adrahil Apr 2018 #91

wow...somebody reads the challenges? I've never even gotten a response. I'm glad you got the hide JCanete Apr 2018 #93

There weren't two different threads at first EffieBlack Apr 2018 #94

ah, I see. makes sense! nt JCanete Apr 2018 #96

This thread was gone when the other one posted. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #120

I suggest that you contact the administrators TexasTowelie Apr 2018 #125

This is an open forum/site. I know I don't question what anyone else posts and.... George II Apr 2018 #197

nothing is the big deal, it wsas just a question, and then, way before like 3 of these responses JCanete Apr 2018 #198

DU rec... SidDithers Apr 2018 #95

K&R! mcar Apr 2018 #98

Thank you for posting this... glad to see you victorious! NurseJackie Apr 2018 #99

And now a word from your sponsor: tavernier Apr 2018 #101

A good time to register voters and other GOTV efforts is at rallies. NurseJackie Apr 2018 #103

Good point! tavernier Apr 2018 #110

More Sanders knee capping Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #104

Or maybe they just don't agree with him EffieBlack Apr 2018 #109

"Can't come to the cookout" isn't reasonable criticism Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #115

The fact that YOU don't like how the criticism is framed doesn't mean its unreasonable EffieBlack Apr 2018 #118

Yes, I understand "feelings" based criticism Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #140

That's how the author put it. "Tribal signaling"? Who is the tribe, and what is the signal? George II Apr 2018 #182

"Tribal signaling"? What does that even mean? What tribe are you talking about? N/T lapucelle Apr 2018 #217

Who is "they?" (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #117

No, this and other threads is a response to criticism of the party and President Obama. Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #122

He did not criticize President Obama Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #151

You are wrong Gothmog Apr 2018 #200

Did you see/hear what he said about the Democratic Party and President Obama? George II Apr 2018 #124

Yes Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #142

That was not "complimentary", he said that Obama was charismatic, then went on with a huge.... George II Apr 2018 #144

Yeah. Putting words in his mouth Billy Jingo Apr 2018 #148

In what way? George II Apr 2018 #165

Exactly. The 50/50 AA/white audience gave him a standing ovation before & after he spoke. .. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #145

Wrong. As reported in the Jackson Free Press the audience was predominantly white. betsuni Apr 2018 #147

Not according to witness observation. AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #155

I'm supposed to believe a guy who says 85% then changes it to 50% who is clearly betsuni Apr 2018 #159

:) sheshe2 Apr 2018 #163

How about the NY Times ??? AtomicKitten Apr 2018 #164

Did the Times have a reporter there, or were they relying on anecdotal observations? George II Apr 2018 #168

I think it means that although only 15% of the city population is white, lapucelle Apr 2018 #220

So an anonomousy person on twitter is to be believed... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #162

There were four people on that stage, three were Black. Of course they weren't applauding them. George II Apr 2018 #166

Who is "they"? N/T lapucelle Apr 2018 #215

K&R betsuni Apr 2018 #121

Rec! LexVegas Apr 2018 #126

Kick sheshe2 Apr 2018 #128

Welcome Back sheshe2 Apr 2018 #129

K&R Gothmog Apr 2018 #137

Effie saidsimplesimon Apr 2018 #181

One of those Bernie is the enemy, not Trump and rethugs. lovemydogs Apr 2018 #201

Just consider it to be constructive criticism from an ally EffieBlack Apr 2018 #211

KnR! R B Garr Apr 2018 #223