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7. Do you think we will ever get to...

Mon Apr 9, 2018, 10:44 PM

Apr 2018

...the place of enlightenment where the only response we have to give when asked about race is "human?" I often fear not.

Of all the things I may have worried about for my sons, now 25 and 28, as a Caucasian mom, I never had to worry about anyone taking an instant dislike to them, or wanting to shoot them, because of the color of their skin. I take no pride in the color of my skin, and I am well aware that the accident of my birth has made my life easier.

Powerful and poignant words in your post, GaryCnf, and in Effie's. Thank you for them.

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May I acknowledge a DUer [View all] GaryCnf Apr 2018 OP

Thank you for your thoughtful, intelligent and thorough post. CaliforniaPeggy Apr 2018 #1

You might want to read it a little more carefully EffieBlack Apr 2018 #13

I agree Gothmog Apr 2018 #31

I saw that also as I read, montana_hazeleyes Apr 2018 #40

Agreed. yardwork Apr 2018 #65

I raised my spidey senses. GentryDixon Apr 2018 #106

Read it through twice. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #115

Clearly... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #150

you mean it is still WhiteTara Apr 2018 #163

I'm getting that the writer of this OP is AA. I'm still try to understand the motivation. brush Apr 2018 #176

Agreed NastyRiffraff Apr 2018 #181

Exactly. n/t Tarheel_Dem Apr 2018 #187

I apologize for reccing before fully absorbing ecstatic Apr 2018 #209

Effie Black irisblue Apr 2018 #2

This message was self-deleted by its author panader0 Apr 2018 #3

best post I've read on DU in some time - both Effie's part, and your response. Thank you (both!) NRaleighLiberal Apr 2018 #4

Actually, it is not... read it again radical noodle Apr 2018 #142

You should re-read this post- it is an attack on a DU poster Gothmog Apr 2018 #145

Of course it is Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #151

.... LexVegas Apr 2018 #5

Well aren't you special, LexVegas Hekate Apr 2018 #14

Effie is original and sincere. LexVegas Apr 2018 #19

I ended up being quite confused by both of them and dropped out of the thread Hekate Apr 2018 #206

Unfortunately the OP was a hit piece in Effie. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #89

Yes it was... Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #153

As I said to Lex, I ended up being quite confused by both of them and dropped out of the thread... Hekate Apr 2018 #207

You're right, Lex.. Effie takes excpetion to Cha Apr 2018 #17

Many of us know.... LexVegas Apr 2018 #21

Smart you! Cha Apr 2018 #24

This message was self-deleted by its author mcar Apr 2018 #6

Aloha, mcar.. Cha Apr 2018 #16

Do you think we will ever get to... 3catwoman3 Apr 2018 #7

Anymore, I am ashamed to be white and associated in any way with the judesedit Apr 2018 #102

You should not be ashamed to be White. That has never been the point. Caliman73 Apr 2018 #133

Beautifully said! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #140

Caliman is right. You should never be ashamed of who you are EffieBlack Apr 2018 #139

Serves no purpose for us white folk to shame ourselves I suppose Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #165

Incredible post Moral Compass Apr 2018 #8

Only if you think thinly veiled hit pieces on other DUers are incredible nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author oasis Apr 2018 #9

Kick dalton99a Apr 2018 #10

Hi dalton.. Aloha Cha Apr 2018 #18

Hi there, Cha dalton99a Apr 2018 #55

Very nicely done. BobTheSubgenius Apr 2018 #11

Interesting post EffieBlack Apr 2018 #12

Thank you, Effie.. I read the whole thing Cha Apr 2018 #15

I dont think many have read the whole thing. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #22

Glad I did.. Cha Apr 2018 #26

To be honest I only had to read a few sentences to see where he was going. George II Apr 2018 #110

It's really disgusting. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #111

I wish we could say what it really is, but we dont dare. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #158

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #159

We arent fooled. This OP is a thinly veiled attack. LexVegas Apr 2018 #20

Not thinly veiled enough radical noodle Apr 2018 #32

Thanks for the support EffieBlack Apr 2018 #39

Your reply to the OP was classy radical noodle Apr 2018 #46

We know EXACTLY what is going on here. I just wish to FUCK we didnt have to Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #160

Agree 100%, radical noodle. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #118

Well said. emulatorloo Apr 2018 #27

Thanks! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #28

Good response to the OP Gothmog Apr 2018 #29

It is really interesting, Effie. It shows how you live rent-free in some people's heads lunamagica Apr 2018 #34

Lol - you're right EffieBlack Apr 2018 #35

The OP is petty. betsuni Apr 2018 #38

+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #58

Whether 100 or 92 GaryCnf Apr 2018 #61

More LOL! I love the part where you compliment yourself. R B Garr Apr 2018 #190

I noticed the same thing. yardwork Apr 2018 #63

Hear hear! (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #75

Hey, I can do better that THAT Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #161

You have written some outstanding OPs brer cat Apr 2018 #78

Ive stopped being surprised at the gaslighting and other dishonest tactics from a certain segment stevenleser Apr 2018 #83

... redgreenandblue Apr 2018 #127

Nope, they don't, there is no opinion here. It's a thinly veiled hit piece on another DUer. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #137

It is, and we have NO idea who is who here as to certain things, do we. Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #162

And that has been no help really. stevenleser Apr 2018 #193

Your post displays far more class, intellect and dignity than the OP, Effie. ehrnst Apr 2018 #91

Thank you for addressing this Effie JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #104

Great response, Effie. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #117

It took me a while to finally read through all this. Tom Rinaldo Apr 2018 #135

Thank you Effie lunatica Apr 2018 #138

oooh, excellent response! I saw those true colors from R B Garr Apr 2018 #154

Sadly we will have this to reflect on for some time...personally I am so fucking angry Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #156

I still don't get the motivation behind this OP. AAs and other POCs have all experienced... brush Apr 2018 #180

The point was never to suggest that any AA or other POC GaryCnf Apr 2018 #188

Still don't get it. We all live, have lived, or have family members in one or the other worlds you.. brush Apr 2018 #196

Let me start here. GaryCnf Apr 2018 #199

Couldn't disagree more. We are not a monolith. Progressives understand that as well as anyone... brush Apr 2018 #201

I may disagree with GaryCnf Apr 2018 #204

Here is the issue BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #205

This is a tremendous post. N/T GaryCnf Apr 2018 #208

Promise? Empowerer Apr 2018 #198

It felt off immediately. xmas74 Apr 2018 #184

Someone is coming off as petty, insincere and dishonest in this OP lunamagica Apr 2018 #23

I cannot believe this is not obvious to people. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #25

IKR? The intent is crystal clear lunamagica Apr 2018 #33

Benefit of the doubt is wasted on the wrong people. betsuni Apr 2018 #42

most people probably didn't read the whole thing JI7 Apr 2018 #45

Everyone now has had the time to read it all, so continued recs of the OP here tells us Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #173

Water is also wet Gothmog Apr 2018 #30

You seem like a good person but apparently you will say anything to protect a certain politician emulatorloo Apr 2018 #36

Damn! EffieBlack Apr 2018 #41

I know, right! Cha Apr 2018 #48

BOOM! betsuni Apr 2018 #43

MaY I add RandySF Apr 2018 #44

+1 dalton99a Apr 2018 #56

Outstanding, emulatorloo! Cha Apr 2018 #49

Excellent! lunamagica Apr 2018 #51

Posts like the OP don't reflect well on the candidates they appear to be supporting. yardwork Apr 2018 #68

Very true. betsuni Apr 2018 #70

+1000 (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #84

Most importantly, he will be vetted by the voters as they've done already. BTW... George II Apr 2018 #109

Thats going to leave a mark... GulfCoast66 Apr 2018 #121

Damn is right! Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #174

THIS! RIGHT! HERE! Tarheel_Dem Apr 2018 #189

And of course, crickets in response to this well thought out post. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #194

DURec leftstreet Apr 2018 #37

Isn't there a rule against personal attacks? RandySF Apr 2018 #47

Not a very cool way to go about making this point, bruh (nt) mr_lebowski Apr 2018 #50

When is your biography of Effie coming out? What's the title? betsuni Apr 2018 #52

"I know Cha Apr 2018 #57

"And nobody has more respect for EffieBlack than I do" dalton99a Apr 2018 #59

smh.. Cha Apr 2018 #60

Subtitled "BUT...." George II Apr 2018 #112

CLASSIC Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #167

DU Rec!!!!!! Hassin Bin Sober Apr 2018 #53

A rose by any other name is the false equivalency that some would like to paint, in order to still_one Apr 2018 #54

Not a single Democrat or progressive or liberal or Socialist I know would ever mock and dismiss EffieBlack Apr 2018 #79

Bravo!!! Well said still_one Apr 2018 #119

Interesting how you have to dance so much, we all do, when what we should be Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #168

I think passive aggressive are the most cowardly among us. JNelson6563 Apr 2018 #62

I will remember this post. yardwork Apr 2018 #64

+1 nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #67

Might you try speaking for yourself... NCTraveler Apr 2018 #66

It occurred to me that the OP proves Effie's point. yardwork Apr 2018 #69

As I explained to Effie GaryCnf Apr 2018 #71

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Apr 2018 #73

And here I thought I was clicking on a something nice in this time of backbiting and snark. phylny Apr 2018 #72

Effie needs whitesplaining? Really? (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #74

I would say not. GaryCnf Apr 2018 #76

Oh, man...I cant wait for the response you get to this... TCJ70 Apr 2018 #77

That's what this is. LexVegas Apr 2018 #82

Did I happen to mention I am a black female lesbian astronaut? Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #169

#### ehrnst Apr 2018 #170

No you have not... tonedevil Apr 2018 #182

I saw this when it was first posted BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #80

The entire thing is a personal attack on Effie. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #81

Yes, I saw her responses last night BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #86

Excellent analysis. (nt) ehrnst Apr 2018 #85

Yep a thinly veiled hit piece at Effie. The OP thinks themselves too clever by a lot. stevenleser Apr 2018 #87

I don't think people have actually read this hit piece. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #88

I read it through twice. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #120

Disgusting is what it is. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #123

Excellent - and every word true. Thanks: EffieBlack Apr 2018 #90

What is sad is that as of this post time, it still has 84 recs BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #113

There are two groups of "reccers" stevenleser Apr 2018 #143

Spot on. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #144

Agree BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #146

It's very emblematic of the way JPR types discourse. Very dishonest, rife with logical fallacies and stevenleser Apr 2018 #147

Yup. BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #149

Yup. But that is only on JPR, right? sigh Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #171

Unfortunately not. :-( stevenleser Apr 2018 #195

Very well said. WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #94

Even though this will be incomplete GaryCnf Apr 2018 #97

You really should just let it go. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #100

To you GaryCnf Apr 2018 #103

And as a response BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #107

I'll just ignore GaryCnf Apr 2018 #114

You can take it any way you want BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #122

Yeah, you are right there. GaryCnf Apr 2018 #126

As my response BumRushDaShow Apr 2018 #129

Now you are the victim? MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #124

Amazing how that works right? They attack someone else and they are the victim. nt stevenleser Apr 2018 #141

So what do you suggest? All you post is negativity. yardwork Apr 2018 #131

It's worse than plain negativity which would be honest. It's negativity often presented deceptively. stevenleser Apr 2018 #148

My spidey sense is tingling. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #157

This message was self-deleted by its author WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #92

What an insulting post that is! George II Apr 2018 #95

After actually reading your entire post, I suggest you self-delete it. MineralMan Apr 2018 #96

Sorry GaryCnf Apr 2018 #99

It was just a suggestion. MineralMan Apr 2018 #101

Unfortunately GaryCnf Apr 2018 #105

It was blatant to anyone paying attention. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #116

I wish we could just end all this dancing. One person Eliot Rosewater Apr 2018 #185

No hope for that, I'm afraid. MineralMan Apr 2018 #186

Except that you forgot to use this: George II Apr 2018 #108

You do realize that you are not making friends and have alienated a large number of posters Gothmog Apr 2018 #172

Really? Cary Apr 2018 #98

I don't know what to think anymore IronLionZion Apr 2018 #125

Funny how many white DUers in this thread think they have identified the "right side" of an internal redgreenandblue Apr 2018 #128

... LexVegas Apr 2018 #134

Funny how committed some posters are to creating divisions, isn't it? yardwork Apr 2018 #136

This isn't an "internal discussion within the African-American community" EffieBlack Apr 2018 #152

I know, right? Nonsense. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #155

I expected better GaryCnf Apr 2018 #183

What a surprise, the higher one climbs, the lower they aim nolabels Apr 2018 #130

This message was self-deleted by its author lunatica Apr 2018 #132

Remember that movie "The Help"? FakeNoose Apr 2018 #164

Excellent OP and responses ... n/t bluecollar2 Apr 2018 #166

LOL! R B Garr Apr 2018 #175

Their record, 1/2 page double spaced, says it all. Wwcd Apr 2018 #178

It definitely reeks, all right. R B Garr Apr 2018 #191

There's no honest way to defend this bullsh** Wwcd Apr 2018 #192

Do not come for the Queen unless she calls you Empowerer Apr 2018 #177

No. You. Didnt. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #179

OMG! Cha Apr 2018 #197

I think that pretty much took care of it EffieBlack Apr 2018 #202

Yes, it's Cha Apr 2018 #203

My hat is off to those who read all the posts here. SleeplessinSoCal Apr 2018 #200