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LanternWaste

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2. I don't think that wearing a Democratic pin on our lapels cures us of racism.

Wed Apr 25, 2018, 03:16 PM

Apr 2018

I don't think that wearing a Democratic pin on our lapels cures us of racism (that's my starting premise rather than a snide remark).

It may compel us to mask it more, and use it much more subtly, but after reading the back and forth threads in regards to BLM, last year, or watching John Lewis' legacy get thrown under the bus, I sure as hell don't believe the the D next our names cures us... or even mitigates the symptoms.

At this point in my life, I simply can't make the presumption anymore than simply by walking into a party of progressives that I'm walking into a party that tolerates actual racial equality.

I imagine there's a percentage difference in the amount of racism in the GOP and in our party, but I don't imagine (anymore) that the number is as dramatic or as wide as it should be.

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Forget about Libertarians-Why do so many of the DEMOCRATS I encounter seem to have racial issues? [View all] EffieBlack Apr 2018 OP

I wish I did. It seems to be getting worse. LisaM Apr 2018 #1

Where I live (Seattle), it's getting more diverse every day. maxsolomon Apr 2018 #23

Where I live, In Seattle (White Center) ismnotwasm Apr 2018 #25

That is not my experience. The schools are only 47% white. But it is true pnwmom Apr 2018 #69

I don't think that wearing a Democratic pin on our lapels cures us of racism. LanternWaste Apr 2018 #2

Because they're Americans. TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #3

You don't get out much Sailor65x1 Apr 2018 #109

Actually I do you condescending little ... TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #115

Post removed Post removed Apr 2018 #127

It is a natural animal instinct to fear those different from us... cbdo2007 Apr 2018 #4

No it's not RandomAccess Apr 2018 #18

It's not necessarily taught, janx Apr 2018 #61

Since this is anecdotal perhaps its not "many DEMOCRATS" who have racial issues Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #5

So, racism isn't really the problem - people who "see racism where it is not" is? EffieBlack Apr 2018 #7

You knew someone was going to feel the need to splain. Because, Effie, what you think your Squinch Apr 2018 #29

I was hoping that maybe another point of view could be considered Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #32

I see people with racial issues here. Squinch Apr 2018 #37

Perhaps you can give some examples Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #39

No need. It is obvious to those who don't feel the need to splain it away. Squinch Apr 2018 #41

Or you can't back up your claims Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #49

You go with that. I'll pretend I'm devastated. Squinch Apr 2018 #52

Sarcasm after emojis? Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #75

Or perhaps that little gotcha has been played before. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #73

I was genuinely asking not playing a game Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #76

You asked her to call out DUers as racist by linking to their posts. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #81

And you make a personal attack here Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #122

You think this whole banning thing is just an excuse? MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #125

Yes, but Bradshaw tells me he didn't know that. He wants to know if, when I pointed that out to Squinch Apr 2018 #77

I certainly did get the gist. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #82

I imagine it will be many. I learned a new word today: Sealioning. It's very handy. Squinch Apr 2018 #83

That is very handy indeed. MrsCoffee Apr 2018 #86

Right? I've seen the tactic a million times before and never knew there was a word for it! Squinch Apr 2018 #88

I learned that phrase sometime ago from, BMUS. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #96

LOL! What a good teacher! Squinch Apr 2018 #97

Oh, yes. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #103

well you could talk about how many of the major afams DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #43

and here is some more DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #46

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Apr 2018 #50

I've seen nothing like that in my time here Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #48

well I can loook back to the wayback machine DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #54

your time here DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #55

Actually people here have said that one poster Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #68

I heed what many say.. DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #105

YOu know very well that if someone linked to a post as an example of racism here, they would Squinch Apr 2018 #56

No I don't know that Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #67

Well now you know. Squinch Apr 2018 #71

The hell with bravenak. MicaelS Apr 2018 #57

Oh, I don't know. Dismissing the overwhelmingly African American Democratic Party base in the South KitSileya Apr 2018 #135

Your point of view is well represented MaryMagdaline Apr 2018 #79

One suggestion. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #93

there's a broad spectrum though. You can be philisophically non-racist. You can mentally comport to JCanete Apr 2018 #11

This message was self-deleted by its author LanternWaste Apr 2018 #14

You post has an untenable premise: RandomAccess Apr 2018 #19

That's a completely unfounded and scurrilous charge Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #38

In this thread you attempted to define racism when speaking to a woman of color. You told her that Squinch Apr 2018 #42

+1 RandomAccess Apr 2018 #44

No I did no such thing Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #45

Kay. Squinch Apr 2018 #47

I guess when you can't back up your assertions Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #51

My assertions have been very amply and clearly backed up in this very thread. Squinch Apr 2018 #53

Naw, Boo, you did ... EffieBlack Apr 2018 #60

No those quotes don't show that at all Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #62

Those quotes show exactly that. Squinch Apr 2018 #63

Another baseless claim Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #65

You have people nicer than I patiently pointing out where you are showing bias. Squinch Apr 2018 #70

Yes, you DID RandomAccess Apr 2018 #84

Is it? RandomAccess Apr 2018 #58

Only one of those assertions is accurate Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #64

Yet when they do... sheshe2 Apr 2018 #104

I don't know how old Effie is, janx Apr 2018 #66

That is very much true Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #74

Bradshaw. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #108

I will DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #114

Thanks. sheshe2 Apr 2018 #116

Please don't make accusations that aren't true Bradshaw3 Apr 2018 #121

When friends describe it to you, yes, you can imagine it. janx Apr 2018 #131

with alll due respect DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #112

Read it again. n/t janx Apr 2018 #124

why? DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #129

Because as I explained, janx Apr 2018 #130

ok... DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #132

This is not a matter of "memories." That's just crazy. "Let it go"? WTF?? Squinch Apr 2018 #117

Read it again. Thanks. n/t janx Apr 2018 #123

Once again mcar Apr 2018 #119

They've been raised in this system, and the system is racist. Iggo Apr 2018 #6

I have never met any in my life. rockfordfile Apr 2018 #8

Care to explain what that means? brooklynite Apr 2018 #9

I am curious too. Tipperary Apr 2018 #13

Unevolved humans... TreasonousBastard Apr 2018 #10

Because Social Justice isn't the first thing on their agenda. MicaelS Apr 2018 #12

I'm a high earning black woman JustAnotherGen Apr 2018 #72

+1000 EffieBlack Apr 2018 #126

well understood, but DonCoquixote Apr 2018 #113

Democrats are more open to progressive change uponit7771 Apr 2018 #15

Important thing to remember in a conversation like this. Nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #87

I think Democrats are affected by the Right Wing...Stockholm syndrome? Demsrule86 Apr 2018 #16

I've always said that there's just as many Solomon Apr 2018 #17

Agree...there are two seperate societies, regardless of left or right HipChick Apr 2018 #22

Here is how I see it. safeinOhio Apr 2018 #20

I agree with this. I have been peeling that onion of my own racism for decades. When I think I Squinch Apr 2018 #31

Democrats are Americans peggysue2 Apr 2018 #21

I'm unaware of the political affiliation of the vast majority of people I meet or know. Kaleva Apr 2018 #24

I am not sure what you are referring to by "racial issues" HopeAgain Apr 2018 #26

I sort it out this way Fresh_Start Apr 2018 #27

Some people like to keep their privileges IronLionZion Apr 2018 #28

The treatment for Joy Reid over the couple days by supposed liberals TheSmarterDog Apr 2018 #30

Agreed! nt jrthin Apr 2018 #36

That has not been my experience hueymahl Apr 2018 #33

See Joy Reid. nt LexVegas Apr 2018 #34

You've got a good point gollygee Apr 2018 #35

Be lucky that you encounter so many democrats. I live surrounded by Ferrets are Cool Apr 2018 #40

Regardless of political affiliation, janx Apr 2018 #59

Because they don't think they have them, even though they were raised in a society built upon and WhiskeyGrinder Apr 2018 #78

Exactly. Being somewhat progressive, they Solomon Apr 2018 #133

Runs deep. +1 Nt NCTraveler Apr 2018 #80

This is a divisive post, which divides Democrats sharedvalues Apr 2018 #85

Thanks for your advice (aka 'splainin') EffieBlack Apr 2018 #89

You're taking the side of Rove, Bannon, Russia, and Paul Ryan sharedvalues Apr 2018 #91

Thanks again, but you can be done 'splainin' racism in America to me now. EffieBlack Apr 2018 #94

I'm talking about politics. sharedvalues Apr 2018 #98

If you want to talk about that, you should start a thread about that, rather than making this Squinch Apr 2018 #99

will do. Also, love your sig sharedvalues Apr 2018 #101

Thanks! Squinch Apr 2018 #102

In this post, a black woman, i.e. a member of the absolutely, hands down, most loyal Democratic Squinch Apr 2018 #90

That's fine, but the GOP's racism didn't get mentioned, so I wanted to add it sharedvalues Apr 2018 #92

Yes, that is worth talking about. But so is this. Not least becauuse it is a concern of members Squinch Apr 2018 #95

Oh, yes- the Dems should DEFINITELY work harder for minorities sharedvalues Apr 2018 #100

I'd start by listening when they voice concerns. Then, don't deny or try to silence those concerns. Squinch Apr 2018 #107

Why are they afraid of it if it works so well that they use it for propaganda? gollygee Apr 2018 #110

GOP is afraid of racism because it's kryptonite for them - they're trying counteraccusations sharedvalues Apr 2018 #120

Because it takes a bit of work to get the hell out of their bubble? nini Apr 2018 #106

Economic anxiety, I'm sure...nt SidDithers Apr 2018 #111

Totally. Squinch Apr 2018 #118

I don't think "so many" Democrats have racial issues. democratisphere Apr 2018 #128

Because racist propaganda is that good. Buzz cook Apr 2018 #134

Among Democrats or leftists, it's more a problem of dismissiveness than explicit racism. Garrett78 Apr 2018 #136

This is painfully true EffieBlack Apr 2018 #137

The Dem platform should incorporate... Garrett78 Apr 2018 #138

Because they're humans Sunsky Apr 2018 #139