Jesus, hate , and fried chicken

[patrice]

55. I think you're right about "the vast majority of Christians", but do you know that there is no dogma

on what/where heaven is? Only some actions, by this or that pope to say what it isn't, like whichever pope it was that stopped the great Jesuit scientist Pierre Tielhard de Chardin from talking and writing about science and religion together.

So, those Christians may be right in principle, but wrong on the specifics about something that may be more it's own point, i.e. not elsewhere, not elsewhen, because it's all right here and right now and "heaven" is a primitive way of saying that one/we is/are in process towards apprehending that more honestly and, hence, more wholely.

The fancy words for this are teleological ontogeny, but they just mean that all of reality is a whole and it is its own point/purpose and all of it (including us) is in the process of knowing itself more completely.

One thing I like about this perspective is that it makes all of the errors we see about us part of a whole encoded there with everything else and contributing in their own ways to our learning. This is also one of the reasons why it is so important that we must identify and stand up to "errors", not to punish them with hate, but to learn from and to grow with them.