General Discussion

Downtown Hound

(12,618 posts)

135. So after asking several times for an answer as to how to better fight white supremecists

Thu May 10, 2018, 04:10 PM

May 2018

your big answer is to essentially let the police handle it after they kill somebody. Sorry, not good enough. Those same police pretty much stood back the entire time in Charlottesville and did nothing to intervene.

If you've forgotten already, in the aftermath of the Charlottesville riots the Nazis we're all full of bravado and claiming that they were going to start doing this everywhere. That all changed when they started getting doxxed.

http://wjla.com/news/nation-world/white-supremacists-from-charlottesville-rally-being-outed-on-social-media

They started getting fired from their jobs, they started getting shunned in their communities, they started getting ostracized socially. Today, they are in hiding, the alt right is practically non-existent, and they're even having trouble getting enough money to keep their website open.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/04/white-supremacist-website-stormfront-is-running-out-of-money.html

I'm not even going to sit here and try and tell you that it's not a tragedy when it happens to an innocent person. But ultimately, those people were cleared in the end and had their names restored. If I have to choose between that and allowing fascism and white supremacy to flourish and thrive under the guise of being anonymous, I'm afraid I'll have to choose the former. There's about 10 million victims of the Nazis and countless victims of lynchings and KKK terrorism in the United States that if I had to wager, I'd wager they'd see it my way.

Edit history

Please sign in to view edit histories.

Recommendations

0 members have recommended this reply (displayed in chronological order):

281 replies

= new reply since forum marked as read

Highlight:

the white woman who called the police on a napping black girl at yale has been doxxed [View all] catsudon May 2018 OP

white privilege rears its ugly head again. WhiteTara May 2018 #1

Given Her Bio, Her Reaction To The Sleeping Woman Me. May 2018 #2

I guess if she had been wearing a hijab she would have been left alone ProudLib72 May 2018 #3

People are complicated mythology May 2018 #4

+1,000 malaise May 2018 #26

She is a bigot. This was not the first time. I have no use for bigots...they are frauds...yes Demsrule86 May 2018 #161

I hope that Yale takes some action against the white student Gothmog May 2018 #275

"she appears to be a woman's right marcher too, which comes as a surprise to me." WhiskeyGrinder May 2018 #5

Much worse and bigger than even I had thought as little as 3 yrs ago. Eliot Rosewater May 2018 #78

Agreed. Wonder if they are a part of the 53% of white women who voted for trump? brush May 2018 #107

I doubt that it statistical higher then in other groups. CentralMass May 2018 #120

amazing how threatened she was by a sleeping black woman. TeamPooka May 2018 #6

Seriously, now people have to worry bout sleeping while black?!?! WTF?!?! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #254

Right? nt 2naSalit May 2018 #277

Wow. She claims she's more progressive than thou? Anon-C May 2018 #7

She's a special kind of idiot mercuryblues May 2018 #8

Not special they are everywhere So concerned &gonna make everything all right even if it's not wrong lunasun May 2018 #11

You misread RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #20

you're right mercuryblues May 2018 #22

Based on what she wrote jes06c May 2018 #9

She wants to ban burqas in the US ? I guess a lot of things don't belong where they are to her.... lunasun May 2018 #10

Good. I was just about to write a post suggesting she get doxxed. Crunchy Frog May 2018 #12

She felt threatened by a sleeping black woman. kwassa May 2018 #13

Some people might call her a mercuryblues May 2018 #23

+1 Blue_Tires May 2018 #28

Verified? silat13 May 2018 #14

Good point left-of-center2012 May 2018 #15

seems to be verified Exotica May 2018 #38

Exactly. I HATE internet mob justice. alarimer May 2018 #195

From my twitter feed Gothmog May 2018 #274

By "woman's rights marcher", do you mean "feminist"? N/T lapucelle May 2018 #16

"Neither Whores Nor Submissives" RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #17

Doxxing people sucks. meadowlander May 2018 #18

Thanks. I totally agree. Ron Obvious May 2018 #27

Nah, she did it twice to black people in that dorm. Google it. She totally deserves... brush May 2018 #111

That should result in death threats and blacklisting for life should it? Ron Obvious May 2018 #127

Not sure from your response what side of the issue you are on but Sarah Braasch... brush May 2018 #129

I often find DU nauseating lately Ron Obvious May 2018 #133

What's your opinion? Racists should be free to sic cops on innocent black people... brush May 2018 #141

This is a sickening thread. cwydro May 2018 #200

Vigilantism is awesome Loki Liesmith May 2018 #142

Yep, that's exactly what Sarah Braasch did. brush May 2018 #144

I don't care Loki Liesmith May 2018 #148

So you're opposed to Sarah Braasch's vigilantism against innocent black people? brush May 2018 #149

Don't be foolish. Loki Liesmith May 2018 #168

Discuss what should be the penalty for siccing cops on innocent black people then,.. brush May 2018 #176

This message was self-deleted by its author brush May 2018 #178

This message was self-deleted by its author brush May 2018 #179

No, vigilantism is not calling the cops treestar May 2018 #169

However you define it, she sicced the cops on an innocent black person so that... brush May 2018 #175

that is evil but not vigilantism treestar May 2018 #177

Fuck that shit... Maybe if more of these excitable white folks WERE doxxed Blue_Tires May 2018 #29

Maybe they should just institute sensitivity training for wypipo on campus to help InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #54

Not sure what that would do Blue_Tires May 2018 #57

Oh okay, didn't realize Yale already had such sensitivity training... good for them. InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #173

Seriously? Downtown Hound May 2018 #68

Who said sensitivity training is the "magic answer for everything"? InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #174

It's increasingly being reported, maybe because more people are aware of it. And cell phone... hunter May 2018 #67

Agree. She knows damn well what happens to black people when you call the police MaryMagdaline May 2018 #130

From what the victim said during the video, this avebury May 2018 #60

When it happens two times it's not a mistake womanofthehills May 2018 #83

I was confident someone would criticize the act of identifying a racist while ignoring the racism. LanternWaste May 2018 #108

Nah, she deserves it. This is the second time Sarah Braasch called cops on innocent black... brush May 2018 #110

Not to mention harassing women about wearing burqas MaryMagdaline May 2018 #136

Yes. And she has nothing to say about nuns wearing habits. brush May 2018 #140

Yep. MaryMagdaline May 2018 #147

I agree I hate the whole Doxing thing TNLib May 2018 #211

Boo fuckin' hoo for her! Maybe that'll teach her a valuable lesson & she'll cut out the wypipo BS! InAbLuEsTaTe May 2018 #256

Hold on Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #19

I'd say its the Dump Effect gyroscope May 2018 #21

I don't think the young Native men were Mohawks geardaddy May 2018 #92

They are Mohawk and moved from New York suffragette May 2018 #150

OK, thanks. geardaddy May 2018 #199

That's what TIME magazine reported. Haggis for Breakfast May 2018 #183

OK, thanks for the clarification geardaddy May 2018 #198

When she finishes grad school irisblue May 2018 #24

As progressives, we think progressives are beyond this kind of thing gollygee May 2018 #25

Oh yeah? cagefreesoylentgreen May 2018 #36

Huh? Iggo May 2018 #50

Your post is a lie. Inkfreak May 2018 #61

What she wrote is eight years old RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #125

What makes me think she might consider herself to be a progressive is that she was in the women's gollygee May 2018 #172

Atheist doesn't mean progressive kcr May 2018 #30

I don't think you'll find many women's rights marchers who aren't progressive. nt gollygee May 2018 #31

Many of them are kcr May 2018 #32

Some don't even think into that much gollygee May 2018 #34

But does she self label as such? kcr May 2018 #35

There's always exceptions: Blue_Tires May 2018 #86

I suspect she considers herself a progressive gollygee May 2018 #99

I am morbidly curious to know Blue_Tires May 2018 #134

Oh God it said that too gollygee May 2018 #171

I saw and responded to that in some other thread... Blue_Tires May 2018 #201

Exactly......think Ayn Rand. AJT May 2018 #128

She sounds crazy as hell. Tipperary May 2018 #33

I think a lot of people here didn't really watch this video sarah FAILIN May 2018 #37

I agree Exotica May 2018 #39

Yikes MountCleaners May 2018 #153

Did *you* watch the video? moriah May 2018 #53

Yes I did. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #65

Yeah, and the woman's on tape also saying she "can't sleep there". moriah May 2018 #66

Well no.. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #70

They lived on different floors, watch the video. moriah May 2018 #73

Why did she go to the 12th floor then? sarah FAILIN May 2018 #79

Article mentioned there was no 5th floor common area. womanofthehills May 2018 #84

Don't you think you're trying awfully hard to determine how to blame the victim? happy feet May 2018 #93

I'm trying to point out we don't have all the facts sarah FAILIN May 2018 #96

We have lots of facts, but you're pretending they don't exist. Nt moriah May 2018 #101

We have 1 side sarah FAILIN May 2018 #104

But you keep insisting the verified facts aren't correct. moriah May 2018 #105

No they do not sarah FAILIN May 2018 #119

You can't possibly be serious. You blame the black woman for falling asleep cramming? brush May 2018 #121

You blame the victim...what she has to jump though hoops for this racist scumbag...maybe racist girl Demsrule86 May 2018 #162

I'll just trash the thread so I quit getting notifications sarah FAILIN May 2018 #97

She could have worked by laptop and ambient light, or they could be on a motion sensor timer thing- bettyellen May 2018 #94

Video, which you really obviously didn't watch, explains no 5th floor common area. moriah May 2018 #100

I did watch the video and it is rude of you to say I didn't. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #106

Yours certainly is. LanternWaste May 2018 #109

Jeebus... rusty fender May 2018 #74

The white woman LITERALLY THINKS SOME SLAVES LIKED SLAVERY obamanut2012 May 2018 #103

On the wrong side of literally EVERY issue. Codeine May 2018 #113

It was between neighbors. Should've been handle that way instead of siccing... brush May 2018 #117

She knew EXACTLY what she was doing when she got the cops involved. It's called racist intimidation ecstatic May 2018 #249

She deleted her Twitter account.. HipChick May 2018 #40

Woman's right marcher ? dreamland May 2018 #41

woman's rights marchers don't try to make wearing any garment even a burqa illegal. Demsrule86 May 2018 #163

It may not have been a black/white thing at all. LiberalArkie May 2018 #42

Sounds like a black/white thing to me. kwassa May 2018 #45

Watch the whole video sarah FAILIN May 2018 #47

I still don't understand the poor comment. kwassa May 2018 #48

Idk sarah FAILIN May 2018 #49

But WHY would she think the black woman was homeless ?????!!!!! kwassa May 2018 #55

I'm not meaning the one that called the police sarah FAILIN May 2018 #64

It wasn't in public gollygee May 2018 #71

Who says? sarah FAILIN May 2018 #72

Don't you think any sane person would have noticed all her books and papers? womanofthehills May 2018 #85

The lights were off. How did she see any books? sarah FAILIN May 2018 #95

I think your answers show your prejudice and white privilege. kwassa May 2018 #131

Your comment shows your poor reading comprehension. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #159

Pls stop. You're losing and your privilege is showing. brush May 2018 #123

Really... sarah FAILIN May 2018 #157

You still don't get it. You've been wasting yours. brush May 2018 #158

Goodbye. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #160

A Yale student on twitter noted that a "homeless person" Blue_Tires May 2018 #152

I don't see a lot of homeless people period. sarah FAILIN May 2018 #156

It's *obvious* that's exactly both what chick and police were thinking. moriah May 2018 #59

How the hell are homeless people wandering into Yale dorms? RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #146

No it was a neighbor thing sarah FAILIN May 2018 #46

I have encountered a barefoot white woman sleeping in my stairwell IronLionZion May 2018 #51

Or it may have been exactly what it looks like. Iggo May 2018 #52

Poor? gollygee May 2018 #56

Oh, please. Watch the video. Read the story, google it for God's sake. brush May 2018 #122

No way in hell... Blue_Tires May 2018 #151

But targeted poor 'people' just happened to be Black? Sure............... Demsrule86 May 2018 #164

I am honestly not OK with this sort of thing. Initech May 2018 #43

+1 nt backtoblue May 2018 #44

Same here! regnaD kciN May 2018 #115

Nah, Sarah Braasch is a repeat offender. If you followed the story you know that. brush May 2018 #124

The victims of these sort of things are usually named and face doxing too...so not feeling the Demsrule86 May 2018 #165

Anyone else notice the racist overtones to the title of this thread? Even we on DU are not immune. unitedwethrive May 2018 #58

I noticed that, too. Demit May 2018 #82

I did too...I have been shocked at some of the posts by some involving race. Demsrule86 May 2018 #166

Unnecessarily/inappropriately calling the police gets people killed. RockRaven May 2018 #62

If you watch both videos of the incident, the avebury May 2018 #63

To everyone complaining about this woman being doxxed Downtown Hound May 2018 #69

Innocent people are sometimes mistakenly doxxed, and in cases where the correct individual is... Marengo May 2018 #75

Doxxing white supremacist groups is one of the most effective tools against them Downtown Hound May 2018 #76

It's a dangerous practice which should be criminalized IMO. It's also my opinion that anyone who... Marengo May 2018 #80

I don't really care what you think about my character Downtown Hound May 2018 #81

Maybe you should ask Norma Zahory and Kyle Quinn how they feel about doxxing. Be sure to tell... Marengo May 2018 #88

Maybe you should talk to Heather Heyer's mom Downtown Hound May 2018 #98

James Alex Fields was arrested fleeing the scene after killing Heather Heyer, doxxing didn't help... Marengo May 2018 #118

So after asking several times for an answer as to how to better fight white supremecists Downtown Hound May 2018 #135

You are obviously devoted to this tactic despite acknowledging the potentiality for collateral... Marengo May 2018 #184

Yes, I'm dedicated to tactics that work Downtown Hound May 2018 #213

I had a feeling you would resort to the same unprincipled tactic as other poster. Guess I shouldn't Marengo May 2018 #236

And the self imposed regulator of all things principled Downtown Hound May 2018 #237

Rep. Katherine Clark (D-MA) is sponsoring a bill, the Online Safety Modernization Act of 2017, Marengo May 2018 #238

More like an out of touch, centrist politician Downtown Hound May 2018 #239

She's "out of touch" because she apparently recognizes the potential for harm to innocent persons... Marengo May 2018 #252

Or maybe she just fails to recognize the much greater Downtown Hound May 2018 #257

And again you clearly demonstrate you don't give a shit about those that have been harmed. It's... Marengo May 2018 #260

Oh blah, blah, blah, I've already answered that multiple times Downtown Hound May 2018 #262

You insinuate anyone who doesn't support doxxing to be accepting of racism, yet label me an... Marengo May 2018 #268

Still haven't answered the question Downtown Hound May 2018 #269

Back for more? I thought you were done? Marengo May 2018 #270

Just checking to see if you were going to answer it for once Downtown Hound May 2018 #271

Run along and accuse someone else of being a racist for not buying your bullshit. Marengo May 2018 #272

Downtown Hound, you rock. brush May 2018 #276

Seconded ck4829 May 2018 #279

What gets me in most of these cases are that the racists are so f**king dumb - (hello cellphones) womanofthehills May 2018 #89

A head scratcher for certain, especially considering the RW engages in doxxing as well and one... Marengo May 2018 #91

That's your opinion. I otoh am glad the Charlottesville racists were doxxed... brush May 2018 #154

+1. Best way to avoid publicity: Don't act like a racist asshole in public. dalton99a May 2018 #181

Good advice, and I'd add in private as well. brush May 2018 #182

The potentiality of exposing innocent persons to potential harm by misidentification is acceptable.. Marengo May 2018 #185

Tamir Rice, John Crawford and on and on and on brush May 2018 #204

How is the Tamir Rice case relevant to a discussion on doxxing? Marengo May 2018 #206

Huh? If you don't know why are you even in this discussion? brush May 2018 #208

LOL! Try again with something relevant. The 911 caller in the Rice case clearly stated be believed.. Marengo May 2018 #212

You really are uninformed. Google Tamir Rice and educate yourself. brush May 2018 #215

Nope. You're just spitting out words to see where they splatter, to paraphase The Duke. It's not... Marengo May 2018 #216

You're uninformed and not worth further discussion. brush May 2018 #218

As I expected with you as well. You attempted an unprincipled tactic, got called on it, and are... Marengo May 2018 #221

You declaring it to be always unprincipled does not automatically make it so Downtown Hound May 2018 #225

I most certainly am inhabiting the high ground on this issue, and have considerable company. Your... Marengo May 2018 #228

Fine. Downtown Hound May 2018 #230

I'm "elitist" for believing the rule of law is preferable to vigilantism for the protection of... Marengo May 2018 #234

LOL! Downtown Hound May 2018 #235

If you bothered to research the real-life experiences of mistakenly doxxed persons, you would Marengo May 2018 #240

I wouldn't give a shit about the neo-Nazis Downtown Hound May 2018 #242

Oh, so because you would be okay with being mistakenly doxxed, everyone else should as well? Marengo May 2018 #245

Should minorities have to live with organized, underground, violent opposition against them Downtown Hound May 2018 #246

I wonder what the members of this community might think of your absolute disdain for what... Marengo May 2018 #250

No one is showing them contempt Downtown Hound May 2018 #255

You are showing them contempt. Repeatedly in this discussion. EOD Marengo May 2018 #259

If doxxing was fool proof, Norma Zahory would never have been misidentified. There's absolutely... Marengo May 2018 #248

I never said there was a guarantee Downtown Hound May 2018 #258

When it does happen, it's no dig deal according to you. Collateral damage well worth the cost. Marengo May 2018 #261

Same thing to you with victims of racial profiling and other abuses Downtown Hound May 2018 #263

Your apparent belief that doxxing is the only effective method to counter racial profiling etc.,... Marengo May 2018 #267

If you're asking that question then you're really not paying attention. Downtown Hound May 2018 #219

Oh, I know the answer. It's not relevant, but nice try. Marengo May 2018 #220

Um, actually it is relevant Downtown Hound May 2018 #222

LOL! Again, it's not. As I know you must be aware of this, I must wonder what your intent to... Marengo May 2018 #224

You openly admit you understand how it's relevant Downtown Hound May 2018 #226

LOL! Now I must seriously question your reading comprehension in addition to your intelligence. Marengo May 2018 #229

Question away. Downtown Hound May 2018 #231

Doxxing is one method where black people don't get killed MaryMagdaline May 2018 #138

Indeed. Downtown Hound May 2018 #139

Thank you. Quayblue May 2018 #180

The neo-Nazis engage in doxxing as well. To suggest that only culpable persons can be harmed by... Marengo May 2018 #186

I'm suggesting no such thing MaryMagdaline May 2018 #189

Oh, so you're okay with collateral damage on innocent people. What does that say about your... Marengo May 2018 #191

It says that I'm sick to hell of people violating civil rights of others MaryMagdaline May 2018 #192

Democrats enthusiastically support a tactic widely... Marengo May 2018 #193

You're having a nice debate with yourself MaryMagdaline May 2018 #194

LOL! As I expected, thanks for the confirmation. Marengo May 2018 #197

We lock criminals up in prison Downtown Hound May 2018 #223

Weak ass argument. There is no formal system in place that regulates the practice of doxxing that Marengo May 2018 #232

Hardly. Downtown Hound May 2018 #233

This message was self-deleted by its author MaryMagdaline May 2018 #280

+1 MaryMagdaline May 2018 #281

What was low-life was Sarah Braasch siccing cops on black people... brush May 2018 #126

Someone who doesn't support doxxing is a racist? Marengo May 2018 #187

Where did you read that? brush May 2018 #203

Oh please, try that bullshit with someone else. Marengo May 2018 #205

Speaking of bs, don't make up things. I didn't write that and you know it. brush May 2018 #207

LOL! Transparent pretending is transparent. Save the "who me???" act for someone incapable of... Marengo May 2018 #210

How would you overcome the First Amendment to criminalize it? NutmegYankee May 2018 #155

I don't hold a JD degree, but I can't imagine that would be impossible considering the intent and... Marengo May 2018 #190

It's easy to overcome that bill. NutmegYankee May 2018 #247

You may be right. On the other hand, if it can be proven the doxxer was aware of the potentiality... Marengo May 2018 #251

That very scenario would make the law unconstitutional. NutmegYankee May 2018 #253

All good points, and philosophically I agree. However, having been on the receiving end of vicious, Marengo May 2018 #264

I do understand your valid concerns with our data everywhere modern world. NutmegYankee May 2018 #266

I agree. Demsrule86 May 2018 #167

LOL, you're not going to get a satisfactory answer ck4829 May 2018 #209

Exactly. Downtown Hound May 2018 #214

I'd rather see her fined by the University for fake calls to the police TNLib May 2018 #217

You really think that would happen? LOL. Downtown Hound May 2018 #227

wonder what would happen if that were pullled on white people ?. AllaN01Bear May 2018 #77

so much for the "she was a progressive" talking points Blue_Tires May 2018 #87

Good. She sounds like complete nutjob. geardaddy May 2018 #90

She is also a licensed attorney in NYS obamanut2012 May 2018 #102

It makes sense RhodeIslandOne May 2018 #132

No wonder rockfordfile May 2018 #145

It was a mistake. Leave her alone. IluvPitties May 2018 #112

So she picked up the phone and her fingers slipped on the 9 and the 1 and then the 1 again? nt gollygee May 2018 #114

Bad decision. IluvPitties May 2018 #116

Not her only "mistake." johnp3907 May 2018 #137

Not a mistake. That's how she does. Iggo May 2018 #244

Her actions show the true character rockfordfile May 2018 #143

She's a women's rights marcher? Well the people in charge of it EllieBC May 2018 #170

Wow, this thread speaks volumes about some people here. Tipperary May 2018 #188

Why, what do you mean? betsuni May 2018 #196

Read the damn thread. Tipperary May 2018 #265

The link didn't work catrose May 2018 #202

+1. She was identified, not "doxxed" dalton99a May 2018 #278

White woman, black girl? cyclonefence May 2018 #241

Doxxing sucks. She's an asshole. (n/t) Iggo May 2018 #243

Yale Student Is Demanding The White Woman Who Called The Police On Her Be Expelled Gothmog May 2018 #273