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86. I think it is more complicated than that

Mon May 28, 2018, 03:12 PM

May 2018

Poor white people may have a better ladder than minorities, but they don't have the same ladder as middle class white people and especially not the same ladder as rich white people and middle class white people don't have the same ladder as the rich. Many of them have been brainwashed into believing that minorities are the cause of their misery the true source of many of their problems is actually the wealthy white political and business class largely conservative.

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"White Privilege" explained in three tweets: [View all] EffieBlack May 2018 OP

Privilege is about a sense of entitlement bucolic_frolic May 2018 #1

Privilege and sense of entitlement are two different things. EffieBlack May 2018 #2

Some people have ladders that are too short to reach their goals? oberliner May 2018 #4

I disagree mcar May 2018 #8

And for some people in those circumstances, reaching their goal isn't just harder. It's impossible. EffieBlack May 2018 #12

Yes mcar May 2018 #14

Less chance, yes - but not no chance oberliner May 2018 #13

I would suggest that James is the exception that proves the rule mcar May 2018 #15

I agree with what you are saying oberliner May 2018 #18

Sorry, but I'm not interested in quibbling about metaphors mcar May 2018 #29

Yes! n/t ariadne0614 May 2018 #76

Nitpicking about a metaphor is what you think is important in this discussion? Squinch May 2018 #56

I think you're right. Captain Stern May 2018 #71

Oh, please. Everybody's not Lebron James, nor should they have to possess extraordinary nearly EffieBlack May 2018 #16

I understand that oberliner May 2018 #19

No, Boo - I just think your nitpicking is rather silly and your "concern" is well, what it always is EffieBlack May 2018 #24

You said it way better than me mcar May 2018 #30

Johnny on the spot with that concern, too blm May 2018 #47

+1000 stonecutter357 May 2018 #70

Bringing up Lebron James wellst0nev0ter May 2018 #105

And he could be shot dead at a traffic stop by cops that "feared for their lives" sheshe2 May 2018 #20

I laughed at that shit too Docreed2003 May 2018 #51

Chris Rock has a great riff on this EffieBlack May 2018 #55

Lmmfao...that so funny and yet sadly so true! Docreed2003 May 2018 #57

There is not a white man in the room that would trade places with me and I am RICH! Marcuse May 2018 #95

He is so dead on EffieBlack May 2018 #97

That is like anybody can become president. Unforturnately, this has been proven true. olegramps May 2018 #79

So the moral of the story is that all those AAs in reduced circumstances are just there because Squinch May 2018 #64

You are talking about the same. tonedevil May 2018 #99

And when he gets stopped by the police, he has to hope he can get his "Honorary White Person" card EffieBlack May 2018 #101

Yeah. sheshe2 May 2018 #17

Thanks for sharing your insights oberliner May 2018 #22

Oh, oberliner... sheshe2 May 2018 #27

Spoken like someone who has never experienced a barrier other than his own lack of ability. Squinch May 2018 #73

Absolutely spot on. thucythucy May 2018 #111

That's a "straight white male" kind of privelege, that there is. And they're all absolutely certain Squinch May 2018 #113

Thanks for this info. And we can't leave out the sharecropping that... brush May 2018 #90

Seriously? Everyone is capable? NoMoreRepugs May 2018 #21

I think there has got to be a more effective way to communicate oberliner May 2018 #23

Of course u don't pull someone out of line and tell them NoMoreRepugs May 2018 #28

I think there has got to be a more effective way to hijack a good discussion than Squinch May 2018 #58

But when that's all you got ... EffieBlack May 2018 #60

And when that's the skill you practice so assiduously... Squinch May 2018 #62

Assiduously, but not well EffieBlack May 2018 #63

I've seen one or two. My reaction is generally, "Pffft." Squinch May 2018 #66

Amen! Seems to happen a lot with certain posters here. brush May 2018 #92

Their agenda is pretty clear. Squinch May 2018 #94

There does seem to be quite an obsessive cluelessness EffieBlack May 2018 #100

I object to the metaphorical use of both "hijack" AND "nitpicking"... lapucelle May 2018 #102

Well, I'm going to HAVE to take issue with your use of the word "metaphorical." The reason being Squinch May 2018 #103

"Also, nitpicking IS a gross word, isn't it?" lapucelle May 2018 #107

Your right. Nobody should be told that it's impossible stmac May 2018 #26

Do you really believe that speaking the truth about racism and prvilege in America is "poisonous?" EffieBlack May 2018 #31

To be clear, I'm in favor of making individuals aware of obstacles stmac May 2018 #33

Yet we can look at adults and acknowledge that they never really had a fair chance. bettyellen May 2018 #34

You don't need to "make individuals aware of obstacles hey have to deal with." EffieBlack May 2018 #37

Oh JHFC what a minefield. I don't believe anybody should be told their dreams stmac May 2018 #41

Yes. You are indeed whitesplaining EffieBlack May 2018 #44

"None of us need to be "told" that we face obstacles that white people do not" stmac May 2018 #48

I sincerely doubt you are even half as obtuse as you're pretending to be EffieBlack May 2018 #49

Nobody who looks intelligently at statistics and news while having brown skin needs to be told Squinch May 2018 #68

It's not a minefield. Its an area where white people need to listen rather than try to instruct. Squinch May 2018 #67

Fascinating, isn't? EffieBlack May 2018 #72

Errr... Those most affected by racism haven't noticed that it makes things harder for them betsuni May 2018 #35

Yeah, you pretty much nailed it. EffieBlack May 2018 #39

The system needs to be changed gollygee May 2018 #77

Functional fixedness pamela May 2018 #91

Well said. brush May 2018 #93

'Telling black people they are born with a too-short ladder isn't exactly a news flash for them." EffieBlack May 2018 #98

K&R because of this ProudLib72 May 2018 #36

You've misread my post I think bucolic_frolic May 2018 #50

No, I didn't misread it. EffieBlack May 2018 #53

I agree Effie. There are many privileged people who don't believe they OregonBlue May 2018 #80

Class matters little? guillaumeb May 2018 #7

In terms of white entitlement cyclonefence May 2018 #32

Pretty poor explanation from "SnappyChickpea" oberliner May 2018 #3

Hey, Boo EffieBlack May 2018 #5

Here's a good one that I found oberliner May 2018 #10

I have a problem with this. It takes all responsibility for the exercise of privilege away from Squinch May 2018 #61

Being identified as white confers the privilege. guillaumeb May 2018 #6

And sometimes so far away it is impossible to actually attain. EffieBlack May 2018 #9

Excellent post. Again. eom guillaumeb May 2018 #11

The best explanation I've seen of this EVER! Thanks Effie and Mr. Blow. George II May 2018 #25

Great explanation, just needs to add that one ladder is made of metal and the other old wood. Afromania May 2018 #38

And look at the other bookend EffieBlack May 2018 #42

No chance at all. Or could you imagine if Obama had the same track record as smirkymonkey May 2018 #52

And to anyone who even THINKS of claiming this was about money, not race, I have two words: EffieBlack May 2018 #45

Trump is THE BIGGEST and CLEAR example of White hetero xtian Male privilege JI7 May 2018 #46

Yep ck4829 May 2018 #75

K&R uppityperson May 2018 #40

K&R Gothmog May 2018 #43

What so many fail to see in this is Docreed2003 May 2018 #54

This is beautiful, Doc EffieBlack May 2018 #59

Thanks...it's just a small thing in the bigger picture Docreed2003 May 2018 #65

K&R ! stonecutter357 May 2018 #69

K&R ck4829 May 2018 #74

It's very tempting for those of us who are white gollygee May 2018 #78

I think most people can understand and agree with those descriptions xor May 2018 #81

Agree with the first tweet wholeheartedly. Collimator May 2018 #82

Excellent post EffieBlack May 2018 #84

Trump is the poster boy of white privilege True_Blue May 2018 #83

Trump exemplifies White Privilege more than anything else. Yavin4 May 2018 #85

I think it is more complicated than that standingtall May 2018 #86

Actually, it's not complicated at all EffieBlack May 2018 #87

Change "many" to "every one of them who keeps voting Republican" Collimator May 2018 #88

I agree with much of what you said. EffieBlack May 2018 #96

Thank you, EffieBlack, Collimator May 2018 #104

I agree with you 100% on this. EffieBlack May 2018 #110

These statements should not be controversial. They are just stating the obvious. SunSeeker May 2018 #89

I once heard this explanation: Amaryllis May 2018 #106

That is both succinct Collimator May 2018 #114

THere are many who hold power and also have empathy. I am very fortunate to have two gread senators, Amaryllis May 2018 #115

Privilege is about economics - racism covers the rest KentuckyWoman May 2018 #108

The fact that you can do things that other people can't do is privilege - even if everyone SHOULD be EffieBlack May 2018 #109

Well KentuckyWoman May 2018 #112