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wonkwest

(463 posts)
66. I'll take a crack at this
Fri Jun 1, 2018, 12:23 AM
Jun 2018

1. It divides black commentators from white allies who desire to listen and learn. Speaking only for me, if I see wypipo in an article's title, I am no longer receptive to what that person has to say. It speaks to their character, and if a person needs a juvenile racial pejorative to net eyeballs, I don't imagine anything else they have to say is particularly useful. It tells me they don't want to engage. They want back pats and snickers from people who already agree with them. And if it comes at the cost of other people's discomfort, so be it. A person who behaves in that way is not someone I'm paying any heed.

2. I enjoy engaging in racial discussions, listening, and learning. I am in a mixed race relationship and have dated nonwhite people for many, many years now. I always like listening, learning, debating, trying to see things from different angles and perspectives. What the word has done is put white allies on the defensive unnecessarily.

I've heard a lot of, "You're uncomfortable? Good!" But there is good discomfort and bad discomfort. Facing uncomfortable truths, seeing and recognizing one's own behavior and complicity in discrimination and privilege, realizing you could have and should have done a lot more. That is good discomfort. Having someone mock, poke fun, and deride an ethnicity? Bad discomfort. That people cannot parse the difference between the two is a big problem in social justice activism these days. Discomfort in and of itself is thought of as an absolute good.

It is not. It can be corrosive, dismissive, and turn people off from what you're trying to explain to them.

3. Me personally? No. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. Racial pejoratives are wrong, by the way. Just because it's anti-privilege or only after a "certain kind of white person" doesn't ameliorate the practical effects the word has on people. "I can mock your ethnicity, and you just have to take it! Because oppression and privilege!" No one older than nineteen should be thinking this way.

4. Non-applicable.

But I'll add my own.

5. Wypipo is wrong in the way other racial pejoratives are. Warning, I'm going to write out some slurs in the following. Note, these pejoratives aren't only uttered by white people. Any person of any ethnicity can and has said these things about the targeted ethnicity.

- "Oh, he's a nice black/colored fella. He's not one of those n---ers."

- "Oh, she's the nicest oriental girl. She isn't a chink, ya know?"

- "Yeah, he's queer, but he isn't a faggot."

- "Sure, they're a Jew, ya know, but not like a kike or anything."

- "She's a hard-ass bitch, but she's not really a cunt."

(I just cannot spell out the n-word. Part of my programming. I feel deeply uncomfortable at the thought of it).

In all of the above, people think they can use slurs and yet still somehow compliment people. The target is supposed to be flattered! "You're one of the good ones. That word doesn't apply to you."

No, that's really bad. None of it is ok.

Wypipo isn't ok, no matter how many white people give permission. A lot of my gay friends use faggot in various ways to various purposes. They have zero problem with it. Some of my gay friends are deeply uncomfortable around that word, no matter the intent behind it. Once they make that known, we don't use it around that person. We respect their feelings, because we value them as a person. We want them to feel comfortable and included.

So why this abject resistance to respecting the feelings of white people here who don't like it? And there has been a lot of use of that word as little mocking jabs meant to rub people's noses in it. Let's not deny that. It's beneath us.

Why so married to it? Why this ardent, prolific defense of it? White people have said it makes them bad uncomfortable. That alone should be enough to discourage its use. Yet, on a liberal board, here we are.

And let's go with 6. here.

6. This gives amazing amounts of ammunition to the Right. "See? Told ya they hate white people." Let's just get an actual video of Michelle Obama calling someone whitey. Might as well. Because that's pretty much the effect this cutesy little internet speak is going to have if it ever gets out into the white mainstream.

7. Bonus round. This super cool word is being propagated by a guy who told people not to vote for Clinton in the general.

I don't get it. Why be an asshole to allies and potential allies? What's the point? That people find it amusing or worth constantly subjecting people to it speaks to their maturity level. And it doesn't say anything amazingly good.

I'm not offended. I'm irritated. Because the kind of damage this shit does to social justice should be screamingly obvious. That it's not, that it's defended in a liberal space means a lot of people took a very wrong turn somewhere in the evolution of their thinking.

Re Wypipo and Divisiveness [View all] EffieBlack May 2018 OP
Calling people a racial epithet is a way of "talking about race"? Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #1
I'll put you down as "Can't provide a definition" EffieBlack May 2018 #5
That would probably be more comfortable for you than engaging Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #7
LOL EffieBlack May 2018 #8
No, you're denying. mythology May 2018 #20
Wait a second here. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #58
It is shorthand, and simple. guillaumeb May 2018 #2
👍 NurseJackie May 2018 #6
I've seen these types of arguments by racists many times before Renew Deal May 2018 #3
It's not divisive nini May 2018 #4
You said "they" like that's the vilified "others", people who are intrinsically different procon May 2018 #39
Yawn nini May 2018 #53
I'm not a teenager, so you're safe. nt procon May 2018 #54
Another yawn nini Jun 2018 #62
Wow, being asked to take time to think is somehow a revenge? bettyellen Jun 2018 #79
A race is being used as an insult... TCJ70 May 2018 #9
You haven't answered the questions EffieBlack May 2018 #10
Change the W word to the N word and reread your OP Renew Deal May 2018 #16
No. But I do suggest you reread your OP and consider deleting it. EffieBlack May 2018 #22
Of course you won't. That would reveal your hypocrisy Renew Deal May 2018 #48
As I was saying ... EffieBlack Jun 2018 #95
What? The "W" word is a relatively recent word and isn't used derogatorily, just descriptively.... George II Jun 2018 #59
Woah. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #64
Little Rock 1959: George II Jun 2018 #65
I think I saw that kid somewhere... sheshe2 Jun 2018 #67
Sadly we come across people like that almost every day. George II Jun 2018 #94
And you can find them in all kinds of places, too. Most of them not clever enough to Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #113
Sometimes I am AMAZED Barack got elected. Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #122
There was more of us than them. sheshe2 Jun 2018 #123
I've heard that from Roseanne supporters recently radical noodle Jun 2018 #72
Change the history of the US... tonedevil Jun 2018 #78
You are claiming an equivalence that does not exist. nt gollygee Jun 2018 #100
Hmmm... TCJ70 May 2018 #17
But you didn't declare your smartness. Obviously you lose the discussion mythology May 2018 #27
Donald! Donald Trump, is that really you? procon May 2018 #47
That's life! George II Jun 2018 #61
It is a racial epithet Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #11
When an ally begs you to stop and you don't... ecstatic May 2018 #12
Allies are the worst "wypipo" Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #13
That's pretty hopeless treestar May 2018 #21
Yes. Internalize that. Bok_Tukalo May 2018 #26
According to that article, Hillary is the worst. Crunchy Frog May 2018 #34
No definition - he doesn't even mention the term "divisive" much less define it EffieBlack May 2018 #36
I was talking (to the previous poster) about the definition of the "w" word. Crunchy Frog May 2018 #41
I'm shocked to see WHO the essayist considers to be among the worst "wypipo"! Petrushka May 2018 #40
Oh man, that is awful wonkwest Jun 2018 #71
Two ways to look at something written by someone with life experiences you have NO POSSIBLE Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #114
'Splain to them why they're wrong? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #125
Something you seem to enjoy doing. Bok_Tukalo Jun 2018 #143
You STILL haven't answered the question EffieBlack May 2018 #15
I don't know if anyone compared wyp** to n***, so I can't speak on it ecstatic May 2018 #24
Scroll up EffieBlack May 2018 #43
Interesting. nt ecstatic May 2018 #45
DU is a community of thousands of people. Many of them are allies. Lots of them are not EffieBlack May 2018 #46
ok, but when does it become bullying? I'm sure I offend ecstatic May 2018 #51
Why is it your job to tell people what they can or cannot say on this site? sheshe2 Jun 2018 #75
I didn't say that. I said I don't get to determine what another person finds offensive. ecstatic Jun 2018 #77
But the OP is telling you, on multiple occasions, what they find offensive Tarc Jun 2018 #99
That sounds nice kcr Jun 2018 #102
error_overflow Sailor65x1 May 2018 #14
Hell no! sheshe2 May 2018 #18
A lot of the folks throwing fits about "Wypipo" were the same ones telling us back in 2015-16 that EffieBlack May 2018 #25
Basically. sheshe2 May 2018 #37
Yep and almost EVERY last one of them has one other thing in common from that time period Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #115
Hmmm EffieBlack Jun 2018 #124
LOL I almost pm'd you before I read the whole sentence... Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #126
I'd post a funny Wypipo gif Docreed2003 May 2018 #19
Divisive drmeow May 2018 #23
Thank you for offering a definition and a very thoughtful answer. EffieBlack May 2018 #30
After I posted drmeow Jun 2018 #60
the article done by the guy that coined it DonCoquixote May 2018 #28
Yes. I've read it. It doesn't answer my question EffieBlack May 2018 #31
Michael Harriot, author of: "Why I Could Never Vote For Hillary Clinton" oberliner May 2018 #33
Hey, Boo - I was SO excited when I saw a link to Harriott because I KNEW that would smoke you out EffieBlack May 2018 #35
Thanks oberliner May 2018 #44
Good questions mcar May 2018 #29
I will be the final arbiter of this long standing dispute ProudLib72 May 2018 #32
I LOVE it! EffieBlack May 2018 #38
All of the "splainin" you are receiving here today, wow, record breaking Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #116
Not only am gettin some good splainin, but did you know I've been given a new job? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #120
You are the BEST! Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #121
So are you EffieBlack Jun 2018 #127
You realize I was being super facetious, right? ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #136
Oh lord yes, in fact, I didnt read your post until now, I was referring to the usual Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #137
These are great questions oberliner May 2018 #42
+1 progressoid May 2018 #52
Why is North Carolina divided over the best BBQ sauce? fescuerescue May 2018 #49
It's divisive because that is the intent LostinRed May 2018 #50
I am unfamiliar with HDSam May 2018 #55
Dont know about divisive, but it is rather obnoxious. nt LexVegas May 2018 #56
White people by and large ismnotwasm May 2018 #57
K&R. Interesting how I found this thread. K&R uppityperson Jun 2018 #63
I'll take a crack at this wonkwest Jun 2018 #66
Nice post LostinRed Jun 2018 #80
Well said. n/t ms liberty Jun 2018 #86
Thank you. Well said. elehhhhna Jun 2018 #101
I went HDSam Jun 2018 #68
Those were mostly originally used by whites to describe lower class poor whites. betsuni Jun 2018 #73
Good Grief shadowmayor Jun 2018 #69
Anybody at anytime can claim anything is divisive it is a subjective term.I believe intent of the njhoneybadger Jun 2018 #70
When I hear it actually spoken verbally Alea Jun 2018 #74
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #81
Not necessarily wonkwest Jun 2018 #82
My take on what you witnessed ecstatic Jun 2018 #83
Thanks for your reply! wonkwest Jun 2018 #84
White BASHING? Get the HELL Out of here with that CRAP Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #117
K&R Gothmog Jun 2018 #76
Since you chose not to use a dictionary, I'll help you doxyluv13 Jun 2018 #85
Thanks for the response. But you really believe "discord" should be verboten on DU? EffieBlack Jun 2018 #98
Who said anything about "forbidden"? doxyluv13 Jun 2018 #139
It's a slur, and discourages some people who might be inclined to alliance. Orsino Jun 2018 #87
Oh my god this reminds me of you better give me a reason Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #118
This shiksa is fine cyclonefence Jun 2018 #88
Who cares? Dorian Gray Jun 2018 #89
Comes down to: if you're walking down the street and someone yells betsuni Jun 2018 #90
:thumbsup: Heidi Jun 2018 #91
And if you're walking down the street and hear someone say "Wypipo" you might not like it but that's EffieBlack Jun 2018 #96
K Me. Jun 2018 #92
I haven't been following these wypipo threads too closely because of time Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #93
GREAT post EffieBlack Jun 2018 #97
BB DonCoquixote Jun 2018 #104
Wow. Thank you, I will. Baitball Blogger Jun 2018 #109
Post removed Post removed Jun 2018 #103
In spoken language, how does WYPIPO work? philly_bob Jun 2018 #105
Oh, good Lord EffieBlack Jun 2018 #106
That's the way that dog whistle language works fescuerescue Jun 2018 #107
Illuminating response, FR philly_bob Jun 2018 #108
You apparently don't understand what "dog whistle" is EffieBlack Jun 2018 #112
You still haven't responded to the question philly_bob Jun 2018 #129
I don't intend to answer your question on demand EffieBlack Jun 2018 #130
And yet you demand answers from everyone else melman Jun 2018 #132
Actually I don't. But nice of you to pop in to try to stir things up. EffieBlack Jun 2018 #134
At the risk of whitesplaining... tonedevil Jun 2018 #135
I am a 60 yr old cis white man, and I think... MicaelS Jun 2018 #110
Thanks EffieBlack Jun 2018 #111
I hope there are 200 more if that is what it takes to get the point across Eliot Rosewater Jun 2018 #119
the only place i have heard read seen that word in print is on DU....so what gives? samnsara Jun 2018 #128
Google it EffieBlack Jun 2018 #131
Or better yet, Twitter it. philly_bob Jun 2018 #138
As a white, older (67) male Dyedinthewoolliberal Jun 2018 #133
K&R betsuni Jun 2018 #140
I don't think the term is divisive. Captain Stern Jun 2018 #141
And I ask what's wrong with divisiveness? We SHOULD divide white people in general against wypipo ck4829 Jun 2018 #142
White fragility is very much in force, even on DU.(nt) ehrnst Jun 2018 #144
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