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TheKentuckian

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30. Capable and effective aren't always the same thing.
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:14 PM
Aug 2012

I'd argue as a movement we are failing in epic fashion in dealing with income and wealth disparity, floundering on the best day in protecting civil liberties, and are between mediocre and dicey on equality.

I also lean in the direction that if we don't deal with the economics successfully all the rest will wither and die. No bucks, no Buck Rogers.

Of course equality is far from a distraction, the distraction is trying to use government as the tool to enforce thought and speech control because it seems like an amazingly poorly thought out reaction likely to have a much greater net downside than any possible gain.

There also seems to be a desire among many who identify on the left to focus on social issues and largely let the economics go. The idea that anything like actual equality can come out of this system seems absurd.

I'm just not seeing much walking or gum chewed over the last several decades, in fact we are going backward pretty damn fast and ever more free trade, corporate power, and concentration of wealth while workers have less and less hand by the year and opportunity dwindles.

Walking and chewing gum at the same time sounds good but is it actually true in real world outcomes? In a corporatist nation there are no rights or self determination. Empty pockets and scurrying between low wage jobs to maintain the home fires makes any trip to the mountaintop damn near impossible.

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nah RobertEarl Aug 2012 #1
I think your post is homophobic. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #6
That's kinda harsh, xchrom. NYC_SKP Aug 2012 #10
thanks for the defence Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #15
Remember Uncle Leo in Seinfeld? And how he thought everyone and his mother was an Anti-Semite? tritsofme Aug 2012 #31
So I guess protests against segregated lunch counters were nothing? xchrom Aug 2012 #43
I don't see where I said anything that could reasonably resemble anything from your post. tritsofme Aug 2012 #48
I'd never heard of them before this discussion started Pyrzqxgl Aug 2012 #3
we are capable of multitasking arely staircase Aug 2012 #4
we had a demotivated gop base Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #9
Shhh. Don't overtly support the gays during an election year. Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #34
yeah i wouldn't want to get them riled up arely staircase Aug 2012 #39
+1 n/t fishwax Aug 2012 #24
Capable and effective aren't always the same thing. TheKentuckian Aug 2012 #30
more arely staircase Aug 2012 #44
"We" don't tell the nation what to do. Hide thread is your friend. MADem Aug 2012 #5
You're right- I haven't seen a good gun thread in days. hay rick Aug 2012 #7
I agree. Callmecrazy Aug 2012 #8
Post removed Post removed Aug 2012 #11
Agreed it will only give fuel fo Fox to say liberals are mean kimbutgar Aug 2012 #12
Yes, let it go and let them move on to their next outrage. Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #13
Agreed. SnohoDem Aug 2012 #16
Do you not understand that this IS debating them on "the issues"? MNBrewer Aug 2012 #26
I understand that this is a serious issue and it's a debate that we need to have. Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #50
As if LGBTQ equality is not an issue. Luminous Animal Aug 2012 #36
I never said it wasn't an issue. I just think that by vilifying CFA, we are giving the RWer's Arkansas Granny Aug 2012 #46
I am sick of hearing about it. I agree with you. You can beat a dead horse to death. southernyankeebelle Aug 2012 #14
All it is doing is filling the pockets of the Chicken Coops CEO. liberal N proud Aug 2012 #17
it was driven by the GOP more than the CEO Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #18
What was the kick back to huckleberry? liberal N proud Aug 2012 #20
Agreed. nt Raine Aug 2012 #19
just curious: how many of y'all fine DUers that want us to shut up and move on are gay? Raster Aug 2012 #21
They wouldn't say this bullshit if it was about race. xchrom Aug 2012 #23
Not I MNBrewer Aug 2012 #25
I'm not gay but I'm shocked and appalled by this thread. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #42
Wrong. Zoeisright Aug 2012 #22
It will go away and very soon. The right wingers have short memory spans. Lint Head Aug 2012 #27
I hope so nt Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #28
As a gay man I am conflicted jpbollma Aug 2012 #29
we are all conflicted Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #32
I'm not conflicted. When something is wrong, you fight it. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #37
L.A., NY - - places like that. xchrom Aug 2012 #38
yes it takes more courage Fresh_Start Aug 2012 #45
NO! We can't be quiet! IF Chick Fil A is a rally point for the Right WE need to Justice wanted Aug 2012 #33
I think part of what we do as Democrats is to stand up for civil rights. Chorophyll Aug 2012 #35
Well Climate Change is Already Dead jpbollma Aug 2012 #40
we? spanone Aug 2012 #41
I have heard this request before just a few short years ago. unapatriciated Aug 2012 #47
It's the 'you can't build in THIS city' that started the backlash Zax2me Aug 2012 #49
I would only say they can't build if they jpbollma Aug 2012 #51
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