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In reply to the discussion: Romney's Tax Returns - What if it's the Rope-A-Dope strategy? [View all]ProSense
(116,464 posts)10. Let's talk
"Sorry I am just getting tired of this and want to talk about real issues"
...about taxes.
OFA's "Stretch" Ad gets rare Geppetto Checkmark from WaPo
by Jacoby Jonze
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Now this is the guy that called the Bain attacks false simply because Romney claimed that no matter what the SEC papers said, that he left in 1999. As more and more proof came to contradict the Romney claims Mr. Kessler stood firm - but recently he relented and said it is a grey area that neither side could prove or disprove given the current information available (though I don't believe he went back to change his Pinocchio's awarded).
While we hated him for his complete inability to be rational and look at the facts in the Bain case, I believe a lot of that came from the position that he first raised the potential for Romney criminality if he did sign off on the SEC papers and didn't work there. So he sort of really painted himself into a corner and either had to stick to his guns in trusting the Romney campaign or would be calling Romney a liar and criminal. But this episode will also give him credibility with the true undecideds and indies. Which brings me to his findings in the "Stretch ad" -
You can read his deconstruction of the ad here - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/a-tough-new-obama-ad-that----surprise----is-accurate/2012/08/02/gJQAuigQSX_blog.html
But the jist of it is that Romney by failing to release specifics in his policy ideas leaves himself open to interpretation and given that Kessler holds the non-partisan Tax Policy Center is really high regard (consists of serious tax policy folks from both sides of the political spectrum with veterans of Dem and GOP administrations involved) until Romney Camp releases more details (which they refused when Kessler requested more) to counter the findings, the Tax Policy Center paper will be accepted as fact on this matter.
What is the Geppetto Checkmark?
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/03/1116417/-OFA-s-Stretch-Ad-gets-rare-Geppetto-Checkmark-from-WaPo
by Jacoby Jonze
<...>
Now this is the guy that called the Bain attacks false simply because Romney claimed that no matter what the SEC papers said, that he left in 1999. As more and more proof came to contradict the Romney claims Mr. Kessler stood firm - but recently he relented and said it is a grey area that neither side could prove or disprove given the current information available (though I don't believe he went back to change his Pinocchio's awarded).
While we hated him for his complete inability to be rational and look at the facts in the Bain case, I believe a lot of that came from the position that he first raised the potential for Romney criminality if he did sign off on the SEC papers and didn't work there. So he sort of really painted himself into a corner and either had to stick to his guns in trusting the Romney campaign or would be calling Romney a liar and criminal. But this episode will also give him credibility with the true undecideds and indies. Which brings me to his findings in the "Stretch ad" -
You can read his deconstruction of the ad here - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/a-tough-new-obama-ad-that----surprise----is-accurate/2012/08/02/gJQAuigQSX_blog.html
But the jist of it is that Romney by failing to release specifics in his policy ideas leaves himself open to interpretation and given that Kessler holds the non-partisan Tax Policy Center is really high regard (consists of serious tax policy folks from both sides of the political spectrum with veterans of Dem and GOP administrations involved) until Romney Camp releases more details (which they refused when Kessler requested more) to counter the findings, the Tax Policy Center paper will be accepted as fact on this matter.
The Pinocchio Test
This ad is tough, but we cannot fault the accuracy of its key points. To some extent, the Romney campaign has been hoist with its own petard by refusing to provide sufficient detail that shows how the numbers add up in Romneys tax and budget plans. So we are left with the judgment of a respected and independent third party.
We hold campaign ads to a high standard, particularly attack ads. If Romney releases the missing details, and a new analysis finds that Romney can meet the stated goals of his tax plan, then we can certainly revisit this analysis. But, until then, for the first time in this frequently nasty campaign, we award a rare Geppetto Checkmark for a campaign ad.
This ad is tough, but we cannot fault the accuracy of its key points. To some extent, the Romney campaign has been hoist with its own petard by refusing to provide sufficient detail that shows how the numbers add up in Romneys tax and budget plans. So we are left with the judgment of a respected and independent third party.
We hold campaign ads to a high standard, particularly attack ads. If Romney releases the missing details, and a new analysis finds that Romney can meet the stated goals of his tax plan, then we can certainly revisit this analysis. But, until then, for the first time in this frequently nasty campaign, we award a rare Geppetto Checkmark for a campaign ad.
What is the Geppetto Checkmark?
Statements and claims that contain the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth will be recognized with our prized Geppetto checkmark.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/03/1116417/-OFA-s-Stretch-Ad-gets-rare-Geppetto-Checkmark-from-WaPo
New Obama ad: 'Romney's tax plan? He pays less. You pay more.'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021061091
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That's right- NEVER! If you're saying he has released them, then the burden is on you
coalition_unwilling
Aug 2012
#40
That would be a stupid strategy, ie: creating bad press for yourself for a couple of months,
stopbush
Aug 2012
#12
Amen! Let's talk about the deficits caused by outsourcing, tax cuts for the super-rich
CJCRANE
Aug 2012
#35
The BofA bailout was before Obama came into office, during the last days of the Bush administration.
CJCRANE
Aug 2012
#53
Did you read the link I posted? The last bailout was Jan 16 '09. Obama came into office Jan 20.
CJCRANE
Aug 2012
#64
He refused to release his returns when he ran for the Senate and governor of MA,
Tanuki
Aug 2012
#19
Do you really think his taxes are clean after all this? You give Mitt too much credit.
MjolnirTime
Aug 2012
#31
I understand your concern, but Romney's history of wealth accumulation is an ugly one.
David Zephyr
Aug 2012
#50
rMoney has been doing this since he ran against Senator Kennedy back in the 90's.
geckosfeet
Aug 2012
#65