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ProSense

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10. Let's talk
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:27 PM
Aug 2012

"Sorry I am just getting tired of this and want to talk about real issues"

...about taxes.

OFA's "Stretch" Ad gets rare Geppetto Checkmark from WaPo

by Jacoby Jonze

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Now this is the guy that called the Bain attacks false simply because Romney claimed that no matter what the SEC papers said, that he left in 1999. As more and more proof came to contradict the Romney claims Mr. Kessler stood firm - but recently he relented and said it is a grey area that neither side could prove or disprove given the current information available (though I don't believe he went back to change his Pinocchio's awarded).

While we hated him for his complete inability to be rational and look at the facts in the Bain case, I believe a lot of that came from the position that he first raised the potential for Romney criminality if he did sign off on the SEC papers and didn't work there. So he sort of really painted himself into a corner and either had to stick to his guns in trusting the Romney campaign or would be calling Romney a liar and criminal. But this episode will also give him credibility with the true undecideds and indies. Which brings me to his findings in the "Stretch ad" -

You can read his deconstruction of the ad here - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/a-tough-new-obama-ad-that----surprise----is-accurate/2012/08/02/gJQAuigQSX_blog.html

But the jist of it is that Romney by failing to release specifics in his policy ideas leaves himself open to interpretation and given that Kessler holds the non-partisan Tax Policy Center is really high regard (consists of serious tax policy folks from both sides of the political spectrum with veterans of Dem and GOP administrations involved) until Romney Camp releases more details (which they refused when Kessler requested more) to counter the findings, the Tax Policy Center paper will be accepted as fact on this matter.

The Pinocchio Test

This ad is tough, but we cannot fault the accuracy of its key points. To some extent, the Romney campaign has been hoist with its own petard by refusing to provide sufficient detail that shows how the numbers add up in Romney’s tax and budget plans. So we are left with the judgment of a respected and independent third party.

We hold campaign ads to a high standard, particularly attack ads. If Romney releases the missing details, and a new analysis finds that Romney can meet the stated goals of his tax plan, then we can certainly revisit this analysis. But, until then, for the first time in this frequently nasty campaign, we award a rare Geppetto Checkmark for a campaign ad.

What is the Geppetto Checkmark?

Statements and claims that contain “the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth” will be recognized with our prized Geppetto checkmark.

- more -

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/08/03/1116417/-OFA-s-Stretch-Ad-gets-rare-Geppetto-Checkmark-from-WaPo


New Obama ad: 'Romney's tax plan? He pays less. You pay more.'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021061091


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he is hiding the good stuff in his wife's tax return Evergreen Emerald Aug 2012 #1
then some folks will have mud on their face inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #2
You're so tired of this subject that you're talking about it lunatica Aug 2012 #8
ok inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #14
. lunatica Aug 2012 #18
you should try inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #46
Why aren't you off talking about 'real issues?' lunatica Aug 2012 #52
"I am just getting tired of this and want to talk about real issues" teamster633 Aug 2012 #9
back to robbing banks? nt inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #17
Let's talk ProSense Aug 2012 #10
now your post has substance inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #15
Well why aren't you discussing it then? lunatica Aug 2012 #20
Getting the answers requires that Romney level with the American people. Avalux Aug 2012 #16
real issues to me inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #21
Explain why Romney has never, in any contest, Solomon Aug 2012 #23
never? inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #26
You apparently didn't see this than... madmom Aug 2012 #38
That's right- NEVER! If you're saying he has released them, then the burden is on you coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #40
I made an assumption inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #43
You would give the Jesuits a run for their money with your coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #90
My biggest issue is integrity, simple honesty. Voice for Peace Aug 2012 #34
the tax issue is important cheezmaka Aug 2012 #71
The "real issue" is this: what is Mitt hiding and why???? - n/t coalition_unwilling Aug 2012 #39
This IS a real issue. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #45
I wish he was my pal inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #47
No you won't. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #85
"Me thinks mittens is laughing his ass off" mazzarro Aug 2012 #68
You suck at this. Marr Aug 2012 #72
Distraction from economy. emilyg Aug 2012 #75
I taske Romney at his word when he says... TeamPooka Aug 2012 #3
The longer it drags on the longer more questions develop... Historic NY Aug 2012 #4
Problem ProSense Aug 2012 #5
true, if it were just another one of his pranks Voice for Peace Aug 2012 #36
No way. Even if he released them it would be incriminating. JaneyVee Aug 2012 #6
And since "not releasing them" is already harmful a LOT... Amonester Aug 2012 #82
If so then there is another way for Dems to come back at him chowder66 Aug 2012 #7
Please do not compare this to Obama's birth certificate. Avalux Aug 2012 #11
Thank you for that first sentence. babylonsister Aug 2012 #25
That would be a stupid strategy, ie: creating bad press for yourself for a couple of months, stopbush Aug 2012 #12
it doesn't matter, hardly anyone cares about the tax thing quinnox Aug 2012 #13
yep! inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #27
Amen! Let's talk about the deficits caused by outsourcing, tax cuts for the super-rich CJCRANE Aug 2012 #35
now we have a common ground inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #42
You are just full of Right Wing talking points. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #49
+1 mac56 Aug 2012 #84
The BofA bailout was before Obama came into office, during the last days of the Bush administration. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #53
I lived it inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #60
Did you read the link I posted? The last bailout was Jan 16 '09. Obama came into office Jan 20. CJCRANE Aug 2012 #64
*crickets* Marr Aug 2012 #74
You deny Reality and Fact. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #77
I'll bite, inthemiddle catbyte Aug 2012 #79
"He's Dead, Jim." Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #83
People I talk to are well aware that Mitt is evading releasing his taxes. Ikonoklast Aug 2012 #78
He refused to release his returns when he ran for the Senate and governor of MA, Tanuki Aug 2012 #19
RWers always say "perception is reality". In this case the perception CJCRANE Aug 2012 #22
Highly unlikely, and here is why: sofa king Aug 2012 #24
everyone knows Mitt doesnt fight Enrique Aug 2012 #28
Hard to think that, when he's ALWAYS stretched this hard DirkGently Aug 2012 #29
Willard is the dope. tridim Aug 2012 #30
Do you really think his taxes are clean after all this? You give Mitt too much credit. MjolnirTime Aug 2012 #31
Wouldn't the IRS have noticed? Scratchee Aug 2012 #88
nobody is on that limb but Romney 2pooped2pop Aug 2012 #32
Been there. Done that. Palin. Romney. No one's running the show. randome Aug 2012 #33
OK, suppose he is DonCoquixote Aug 2012 #37
This is where a left wing echo chamber would be helpful.... NRaleighLiberal Aug 2012 #41
No, I think it has more to do with the tsuki Aug 2012 #44
BINGO inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #48
So you ProSense Aug 2012 #51
But those are the 'real issues'! lunatica Aug 2012 #55
no no inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #57
His ProSense Aug 2012 #58
I was being polite inthemiddle2 Aug 2012 #59
Clearly ProSense Aug 2012 #62
In what regard, Charlie? Brother Buzz Aug 2012 #67
I understand your concern, but Romney's history of wealth accumulation is an ugly one. David Zephyr Aug 2012 #50
naw its just a Dope-A-Dope strategy. grantcart Aug 2012 #54
He (mitt) has gone to long to turn this into a win. morningfog Aug 2012 #56
That is what I think. I mean the man obviously wanted to be president from applegrove Aug 2012 #61
Really? ProSense Aug 2012 #66
I think Romney didn't expect it because of the respect given to McCain CJCRANE Aug 2012 #73
Have you never heard the old saying... GoCubsGo Aug 2012 #63
rMoney has been doing this since he ran against Senator Kennedy back in the 90's. geckosfeet Aug 2012 #65
It would have to be a rope-a-dope that ran 10+ years, and that seems Marr Aug 2012 #69
The difference is Obama wasn't running for office at the time Major Nikon Aug 2012 #70
Funny thing about the Rmoney rope-a-dope...... Historic NY Aug 2012 #76
I was thinking this the other day... hughee99 Aug 2012 #80
THERE"S THERE THERE Betty Jo Aug 2012 #81
Is anything really "hidden" in the returns? Scratchee Aug 2012 #86
Romney is guilty as hell. DearAbby Aug 2012 #87
I highly doubt it Cali_Democrat Aug 2012 #89
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