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48. Beyond the obvious question of why would anyone give Trump credit for

Sat Jun 16, 2018, 09:11 PM

Jun 2018

a destabilizing empty photo op that is not going to increase safety because it raises expectations which North Korea will only smash down the road so that they can get more concession is the whole methodology.

One of the great achievements of the Obama administration is in reinforcing the patient stable diplomacy of multilateral diplomacy which creates a wide net of stable structure rather than the bull in the china shop of bilateral bullying.

Just as he has created chaos in unilateral trade actions Trumps go it alone method simply creates a metric for all of the crazy authoritarians who want to leverage particular advantages to carve out individual state advantages.

This same article could have been written for Neville Chamberlain. In this case not just one dictator has been emboldened but two. You have now fed Trump on glorifying the great leader like giving a crack addict a newer more potent drug.

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Why Can't Democrats Give Trump Credit on North Korea? [View all] quartz007 Jun 2018 OP

Asinine bullshit. We stomped on an ally and got nothing in return. Squinch Jun 2018 #1

This article written by Peter Beinart! quartz007 Jun 2018 #2

His theory is... lame54 Jun 2018 #23

Yes! Trump will never admit any mistakes!! quartz007 Jun 2018 #35

Not valid... lame54 Jun 2018 #83

Trump always doubles down when he makes a mistake. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #86

I don't care what he identifies as, he was a vocal supporter of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq still_one Jun 2018 #47

North Korea will not give up nukes Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #3

I have serious doubts about N Korea giving up nukes quartz007 Jun 2018 #12

Negative 100 recs ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #4

WTF? Where is there any proof that the Chubby Un is still not working on his nukes? LOL. Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #5

Article NOT written by a right winger... quartz007 Jun 2018 #8

So what? He is normalizing the insanity that is the Rump and bashing Dems ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #9

Frankly I was shocked Beinart thinks this way. nt quartz007 Jun 2018 #11

Why not? He supported the invasion of Iraq.... DonViejo Jun 2018 #65

Peter Beinart got it WRONG with the War in Irag, too.. his tweet.. Cha Jun 2018 #73

Doesn't matter.. Beinart's CRAP shouldn't be posted on DU. Cha Jun 2018 #17

How about sticking to the point rather than who wrote it? treestar Jun 2018 #60

Any article is never guarantee of being accurate quartz007 Jun 2018 #69

There is no peace process. Only a p.r. process unblock Jun 2018 #6

Well no rockets have been launched recently quartz007 Jun 2018 #10

That's because he blew himself up... lame54 Jun 2018 #26

Uh no they wrecked their underground test site Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #112

You're really showing your underwear in this thread. Squinch Jun 2018 #116

WTF. Give him a Nobel prize already dalton99a Jun 2018 #7

Turning a monster into a hero? randr Jun 2018 #13

Which one are you referring to, randr? nt sheshe2 Jun 2018 #34

Oh for fuck's sake. A position based solely on lies told by Trump about his phony meeting. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #14

Peter Beinart's CRAP shouldn't be POSTED on DU. Cha Jun 2018 #15

Really? I always thought of him as a reliable quartz007 Jun 2018 #24

So, now you can say... lame54 Jun 2018 #28

Pretty much...I was actually surprised quartz007 Jun 2018 #32

Maybe the first for you, but others here remember him about Iraq. JHB Jun 2018 #104

Iraq was long ago, I have no recalls quartz007 Jun 2018 #108

This CRAP article is the one I'm talking about that shouldn't Cha Jun 2018 #29

Check out post #21 quartz007 Jun 2018 #33

So? I already did and I ain't buying.. Check out Cha Jun 2018 #41

Did you prefer what Rump was doing before the summit? quartz007 Jun 2018 #72

Peter Beinart Got his Support of the War on Iraq WRONG, too. Cha Jun 2018 #74

Could not disagree more about Iraq war quartz007 Jun 2018 #75

Why post his pro trump crap? rockfordfile Jun 2018 #96

If? n/t tazkcmo Jun 2018 #102

He was a vocal cheer leader for the bush invasion of Iraq, and his judgment in still_one Jun 2018 #58

Thanks for all the clarity, still_one, I appreciate it.. Cha Jun 2018 #71

I wasn't criticizing you Cha, and actually agreeing with you that Beinart's opinion is full of still_one Jun 2018 #80

I know! Cha Jun 2018 #81

The Atlantic is not a rw propaganda outlet Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #113

I didn't say it was. This piece of Beinart's is. Cha Jun 2018 #115

Successful in that Trump did NOT start a nuclear war. Ok. Sure. Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #16

No and nope! quartz007 Jun 2018 #76

Credit for what? TCJ70 Jun 2018 #18

Well stated, thank you, T thewhollytoast Jun 2018 #62

Sems lsewpershad Jun 2018 #19

Dems lsewpershad Jun 2018 #20

I tend to agree. If trump found world peace, healthcare for all, income equality, etc., he'd still Hoyt Jun 2018 #21

Well written post... quartz007 Jun 2018 #27

the problem with the is Orange Fuerhrer is taking credit treestar Jun 2018 #64

Much Worse was trading insults with Kim Jong UN quartz007 Jun 2018 #67

That's allowing him to create the problem and then solve it treestar Jun 2018 #68

Yes, that is his usual M.O. quartz007 Jun 2018 #70

Then cooling that off was the least he could do treestar Jun 2018 #106

Taken in I see lame54 Jun 2018 #31

Aren't things just back to pre-Trump threats to nuke NK? leftstreet Jun 2018 #49

No, it looks like we have a hard time giving trump credit for anything, me too. Hoyt Jun 2018 #53

Seriously? kcr Jun 2018 #89

Is that all you get out of that? Hardly said trump is not the problem. Hoyt Jun 2018 #93

You're a trump supporter. Why are you here? Trump is a traitor. rockfordfile Jun 2018 #94

I agree he's a traitor, but the summit was one semi-good thing. Apparently, you are too myopic Hoyt Jun 2018 #97

The summit was a Christmas present to NK, and Trump brought nothing back but a bill of goods. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #119

So much in this paragraph. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #122

This is one of the most inappropriate and stupid post I've ever seen ladjf Jun 2018 #22

Really! Kajun Gal Jun 2018 #25

Post written by Author, not me! quartz007 Jun 2018 #30

And you posted it here. Shit stirring crap. Again. Squinch Jun 2018 #39

Beinart BLEW IT on this one.. and you posted it. Cha Jun 2018 #42

I agree. This is the kind of crap that let Trump ,with of course Russia influence in the WH rockfordfile Jun 2018 #95

Beinart should be ashamed for normalizing bullshit. Another progressive, Rachel Maddow, says.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #36

Yes, Beinart is an Idiot on this POS. Thank you for Cha Jun 2018 #43

Because he normalized a mass murdering dictator? Initech Jun 2018 #37

Sorry, but this is the reality: catbyte Jun 2018 #38

Yes, Beinart was played and anyone else who doesn't Cha Jun 2018 #45

This! smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #54

Exactly right. GoCubsGo Jun 2018 #114

Credit for a photo op with a fellow tyrant? samir.g Jun 2018 #40

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #44

Spoken like a true Trumplican . GeorgeGist Jun 2018 #46

Don't think Beinart is a Trumplican. quartz007 Jun 2018 #77

Beyond the obvious question of why would anyone give Trump credit for grantcart Jun 2018 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #55

Absolutely, surprised I used that word, would have bet $ 100 I had used "addict" grantcart Jun 2018 #61

Been there brother ... not a prob ... I knew what you meant ;) mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #85

I saw a video once of a motorcyclist riding too close to the car in front of him. Rustynaerduwell Jun 2018 #50

I'd give him credit for a well-staged stunt, myself ... unless proven otherwise (nt) mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #56

I can't say what I think. I will go to sleep instead and have nightmares rzemanfl Jun 2018 #51

Because I disagree that we are safer. ooky Jun 2018 #52

Much to early to say if summit was a success quartz007 Jun 2018 #78

No doubt for you it is. The rest of us are pretty clear. Squinch Jun 2018 #117

Glad you can see the future clearly! quartz007 Jun 2018 #118

Because he gave up so much for little in return. Dawson Leery Jun 2018 #57

Writer may have a point about 'optics' but you know what? I don't GAF ... I'm post-optics ... mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #59

We got fuck all! And I give Trump all the credit. dawg Jun 2018 #63

Give credit? For what? neeksgeek Jun 2018 #66

Trump would auction off Ivanka if the thought it would make him look good. YOHABLO Jun 2018 #79

Let me add, The Pig gets credit when he gets a signed treaty approved by the Senate. Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #82

Your post is crap sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #84

Hilarious. shanny Jun 2018 #87

If you think the path to lasting peace is through a bunch of autocrats glad-handing for the camera.. renegade000 Jun 2018 #88

Not my opinion, it is P Beinart's! nt quartz007 Jun 2018 #109

You keep digging in with that deflection, punkin! LanternWaste Jun 2018 #120

Peter Beinart is a well known and quartz007 Jun 2018 #123

Why can't we also believe in the tooth fairy? nolabels Jun 2018 #90

Because he deserves no credit. WTF did he do except give a murderous dictator legitimacy. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #91

Your post is right on points,,nt quartz007 Jun 2018 #124

There's no evidence anything actually happened: he flew off to Singapore, with essentially struggle4progress Jun 2018 #92

Because it was nothing but a photo op duforsure Jun 2018 #98

We do. tavernier Jun 2018 #99

it is a failure. The idea that we should count it as a success because with bolton it could be worse Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #100

total bullshit BlueJac Jun 2018 #101

Credit for what, exactly? All that's been done is that photo op in Singapore. JHB Jun 2018 #103

Yes, I do not like hawks of any feathers quartz007 Jun 2018 #110

The summit was all talk rock Jun 2018 #105

18.00 Sunday, 23C, Partly cloudy Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #107

The Singapore Summit prob. made the world more dangerous jmowreader Jun 2018 #111

Clearly stated in the first two paragraphs. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #121