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jmowreader

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111. The Singapore Summit prob. made the world more dangerous

Sun Jun 17, 2018, 11:06 AM

Jun 2018

Problem 1: immediately before going, he alienated all America’s allies at the G7 summit.

Problem 2: he basically promised to remove the US military from South Korea. The ROK Army is better now than it was when I was stationed there, but it’s going to need US reinforcements to fend off a dedicated North Korean People’s Army invasion. And it’s going to need them right then, not three days later - we have to stop them before they get a chance to get into the hills. (MASH fans know the 4077th sometimes got hundreds of casualties from a battle over one hill...well, that’s how the real war went. And now they have ten times the manpower, a 6-million-member Reserve Force, and an active defense industry. If North Korea invades the south, there are no guarantees they won’t turn the whole peninsula communist.

Problem 3: in exchange for giving KJU everything he wanted - entry into the world of nations and defanging the military opposing him - Trump got nothing real in return.

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Why Can't Democrats Give Trump Credit on North Korea? [View all] quartz007 Jun 2018 OP

Asinine bullshit. We stomped on an ally and got nothing in return. Squinch Jun 2018 #1

This article written by Peter Beinart! quartz007 Jun 2018 #2

His theory is... lame54 Jun 2018 #23

Yes! Trump will never admit any mistakes!! quartz007 Jun 2018 #35

Not valid... lame54 Jun 2018 #83

Trump always doubles down when he makes a mistake. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jun 2018 #86

I don't care what he identifies as, he was a vocal supporter of the 2003 U.S.-led invasion of Iraq still_one Jun 2018 #47

North Korea will not give up nukes Tavarious Jackson Jun 2018 #3

I have serious doubts about N Korea giving up nukes quartz007 Jun 2018 #12

Negative 100 recs ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #4

WTF? Where is there any proof that the Chubby Un is still not working on his nukes? LOL. Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #5

Article NOT written by a right winger... quartz007 Jun 2018 #8

So what? He is normalizing the insanity that is the Rump and bashing Dems ProudLib72 Jun 2018 #9

Frankly I was shocked Beinart thinks this way. nt quartz007 Jun 2018 #11

Why not? He supported the invasion of Iraq.... DonViejo Jun 2018 #65

Peter Beinart got it WRONG with the War in Irag, too.. his tweet.. Cha Jun 2018 #73

Doesn't matter.. Beinart's CRAP shouldn't be posted on DU. Cha Jun 2018 #17

How about sticking to the point rather than who wrote it? treestar Jun 2018 #60

Any article is never guarantee of being accurate quartz007 Jun 2018 #69

There is no peace process. Only a p.r. process unblock Jun 2018 #6

Well no rockets have been launched recently quartz007 Jun 2018 #10

That's because he blew himself up... lame54 Jun 2018 #26

Uh no they wrecked their underground test site Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #112

You're really showing your underwear in this thread. Squinch Jun 2018 #116

WTF. Give him a Nobel prize already dalton99a Jun 2018 #7

Turning a monster into a hero? randr Jun 2018 #13

Which one are you referring to, randr? nt sheshe2 Jun 2018 #34

Oh for fuck's sake. A position based solely on lies told by Trump about his phony meeting. MrsCoffee Jun 2018 #14

Peter Beinart's CRAP shouldn't be POSTED on DU. Cha Jun 2018 #15

Really? I always thought of him as a reliable quartz007 Jun 2018 #24

So, now you can say... lame54 Jun 2018 #28

Pretty much...I was actually surprised quartz007 Jun 2018 #32

Maybe the first for you, but others here remember him about Iraq. JHB Jun 2018 #104

Iraq was long ago, I have no recalls quartz007 Jun 2018 #108

This CRAP article is the one I'm talking about that shouldn't Cha Jun 2018 #29

Check out post #21 quartz007 Jun 2018 #33

So? I already did and I ain't buying.. Check out Cha Jun 2018 #41

Did you prefer what Rump was doing before the summit? quartz007 Jun 2018 #72

Peter Beinart Got his Support of the War on Iraq WRONG, too. Cha Jun 2018 #74

Could not disagree more about Iraq war quartz007 Jun 2018 #75

Why post his pro trump crap? rockfordfile Jun 2018 #96

If? n/t tazkcmo Jun 2018 #102

He was a vocal cheer leader for the bush invasion of Iraq, and his judgment in still_one Jun 2018 #58

Thanks for all the clarity, still_one, I appreciate it.. Cha Jun 2018 #71

I wasn't criticizing you Cha, and actually agreeing with you that Beinart's opinion is full of still_one Jun 2018 #80

I know! Cha Jun 2018 #81

The Atlantic is not a rw propaganda outlet Voltaire2 Jun 2018 #113

I didn't say it was. This piece of Beinart's is. Cha Jun 2018 #115

Successful in that Trump did NOT start a nuclear war. Ok. Sure. Freethinker65 Jun 2018 #16

No and nope! quartz007 Jun 2018 #76

Credit for what? TCJ70 Jun 2018 #18

Well stated, thank you, T thewhollytoast Jun 2018 #62

Sems lsewpershad Jun 2018 #19

Dems lsewpershad Jun 2018 #20

I tend to agree. If trump found world peace, healthcare for all, income equality, etc., he'd still Hoyt Jun 2018 #21

Well written post... quartz007 Jun 2018 #27

the problem with the is Orange Fuerhrer is taking credit treestar Jun 2018 #64

Much Worse was trading insults with Kim Jong UN quartz007 Jun 2018 #67

That's allowing him to create the problem and then solve it treestar Jun 2018 #68

Yes, that is his usual M.O. quartz007 Jun 2018 #70

Then cooling that off was the least he could do treestar Jun 2018 #106

Taken in I see lame54 Jun 2018 #31

Aren't things just back to pre-Trump threats to nuke NK? leftstreet Jun 2018 #49

No, it looks like we have a hard time giving trump credit for anything, me too. Hoyt Jun 2018 #53

Seriously? kcr Jun 2018 #89

Is that all you get out of that? Hardly said trump is not the problem. Hoyt Jun 2018 #93

You're a trump supporter. Why are you here? Trump is a traitor. rockfordfile Jun 2018 #94

I agree he's a traitor, but the summit was one semi-good thing. Apparently, you are too myopic Hoyt Jun 2018 #97

The summit was a Christmas present to NK, and Trump brought nothing back but a bill of goods. LanternWaste Jun 2018 #119

So much in this paragraph. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #122

This is one of the most inappropriate and stupid post I've ever seen ladjf Jun 2018 #22

Really! Kajun Gal Jun 2018 #25

Post written by Author, not me! quartz007 Jun 2018 #30

And you posted it here. Shit stirring crap. Again. Squinch Jun 2018 #39

Beinart BLEW IT on this one.. and you posted it. Cha Jun 2018 #42

I agree. This is the kind of crap that let Trump ,with of course Russia influence in the WH rockfordfile Jun 2018 #95

Beinart should be ashamed for normalizing bullshit. Another progressive, Rachel Maddow, says.... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2018 #36

Yes, Beinart is an Idiot on this POS. Thank you for Cha Jun 2018 #43

Because he normalized a mass murdering dictator? Initech Jun 2018 #37

Sorry, but this is the reality: catbyte Jun 2018 #38

Yes, Beinart was played and anyone else who doesn't Cha Jun 2018 #45

This! smirkymonkey Jun 2018 #54

Exactly right. GoCubsGo Jun 2018 #114

Credit for a photo op with a fellow tyrant? samir.g Jun 2018 #40

+1 uponit7771 Jun 2018 #44

Spoken like a true Trumplican . GeorgeGist Jun 2018 #46

Don't think Beinart is a Trumplican. quartz007 Jun 2018 #77

Beyond the obvious question of why would anyone give Trump credit for grantcart Jun 2018 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #55

Absolutely, surprised I used that word, would have bet $ 100 I had used "addict" grantcart Jun 2018 #61

Been there brother ... not a prob ... I knew what you meant ;) mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #85

I saw a video once of a motorcyclist riding too close to the car in front of him. Rustynaerduwell Jun 2018 #50

I'd give him credit for a well-staged stunt, myself ... unless proven otherwise (nt) mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #56

I can't say what I think. I will go to sleep instead and have nightmares rzemanfl Jun 2018 #51

Because I disagree that we are safer. ooky Jun 2018 #52

Much to early to say if summit was a success quartz007 Jun 2018 #78

No doubt for you it is. The rest of us are pretty clear. Squinch Jun 2018 #117

Glad you can see the future clearly! quartz007 Jun 2018 #118

Because he gave up so much for little in return. Dawson Leery Jun 2018 #57

Writer may have a point about 'optics' but you know what? I don't GAF ... I'm post-optics ... mr_lebowski Jun 2018 #59

We got fuck all! And I give Trump all the credit. dawg Jun 2018 #63

Give credit? For what? neeksgeek Jun 2018 #66

Trump would auction off Ivanka if the thought it would make him look good. YOHABLO Jun 2018 #79

Let me add, The Pig gets credit when he gets a signed treaty approved by the Senate. Thomas Hurt Jun 2018 #82

Your post is crap sarah FAILIN Jun 2018 #84

Hilarious. shanny Jun 2018 #87

If you think the path to lasting peace is through a bunch of autocrats glad-handing for the camera.. renegade000 Jun 2018 #88

Not my opinion, it is P Beinart's! nt quartz007 Jun 2018 #109

You keep digging in with that deflection, punkin! LanternWaste Jun 2018 #120

Peter Beinart is a well known and quartz007 Jun 2018 #123

Why can't we also believe in the tooth fairy? nolabels Jun 2018 #90

Because he deserves no credit. WTF did he do except give a murderous dictator legitimacy. Caliman73 Jun 2018 #91

Your post is right on points,,nt quartz007 Jun 2018 #124

There's no evidence anything actually happened: he flew off to Singapore, with essentially struggle4progress Jun 2018 #92

Because it was nothing but a photo op duforsure Jun 2018 #98

We do. tavernier Jun 2018 #99

it is a failure. The idea that we should count it as a success because with bolton it could be worse Demsrule86 Jun 2018 #100

total bullshit BlueJac Jun 2018 #101

Credit for what, exactly? All that's been done is that photo op in Singapore. JHB Jun 2018 #103

Yes, I do not like hawks of any feathers quartz007 Jun 2018 #110

The summit was all talk rock Jun 2018 #105

18.00 Sunday, 23C, Partly cloudy Stinky The Clown Jun 2018 #107

The Singapore Summit prob. made the world more dangerous jmowreader Jun 2018 #111

Clearly stated in the first two paragraphs. NCTraveler Jun 2018 #121