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ehrnst

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112. Well, you can hope she wins the general, and you can hope that

Mon Jul 2, 2018, 01:26 PM

Jul 2018

Democratic representatives elect a rookie to lead them in the House.

Saying that one hasn't happened, and the other is highly unlikely, no matter how much you yourself support it isn't "contrarian."

It's based in fact. And yes, people here on DU have accused me of "hating on politicians," of trying to "kill any momentum" when I point out that a given simplistic answer to a complicated problem really not based in an understanding of real life consequences, no matter who has promised it.

I think that we should be putting our energy into working towards the possible, and not disparage someone who points out what is not likely in the real world for harshing someone elses' buzz. Just because people cheerlead for something doesn't make it inevitable, and when it doesn't happen, it doesn't mean that it was prevented by nefarious or corrupt actors.

Sometimes it's just math. Sometimes it's a lack of understanding on the part of the cheerleaders of the full situation.

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This message was self-deleted by its author [View all] bigtree Jul 2018 OP

K&R. KPN Jul 2018 #1

They resent a brownp person having anything nice JI7 Jul 2018 #2

What does this have to do with her ethnicity? virgogal Jul 2018 #14

No. It really is bigoted. So there are no bathroom cleaners and other working JI7 Jul 2018 #17

Bigoted is right... some people have no shame! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #52

I believe she moved back to her mom's old neighborhood? If so, yeah bettyellen Jul 2018 #39

This message was self-deleted by its author George II Jul 2018 #44

She moved back to the condo her father owned in Parkchester. lapucelle Jul 2018 #254

Some people never notice that the right wing will attack... Beartracks Jul 2018 #47

They need only recall how the RW savaged Bill Clinton.. whathehell Jul 2018 #77

Of course they do... it sickens me! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #126

KnR dae Jul 2018 #3

Bottom-up style, a refreshing change. democrank Jul 2018 #4

That's for sure... I'm guessin Alexandria won't be out begging for corporate cash either. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #53

Yes, Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, they really are scared. Their distortions, lies & smears remind me populistdriven Jul 2018 #5

They SHOULD be afraid... be VERY afraid!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #54

John Cardillo's Misogyny is the Same Misogyny that Took Out Hillary & Denied Her the Presidency dlk Jul 2018 #6

talk radio will be used to attack her on a regular basis. limbaugh pronounces her name with the certainot Jul 2018 #94

Ooh, scoop: A brown person grew up in a nice area! forgotmylogin Jul 2018 #7

Good Grief, Wellstone ruled Jul 2018 #9

+1 Got to be a ghetto! appalachiablue Jul 2018 #10

hahaha. IKR!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #111

"That's a nice house for THEM!" Oneironaut Jul 2018 #167

A bit racist wot? ismnotwasm Jul 2018 #8

Her winning candidacy must be really mind-boggling to Trump bucolic_frolic Jul 2018 #11

And *this* is how you handle an attack by a Rethug. Tatiana Jul 2018 #12

Exactly. H2O Man Jul 2018 #36

K&R demmiblue Jul 2018 #13

Lol: demmiblue Jul 2018 #15

I like that she doesn't let these attacks go Bettie Jul 2018 #16

Notice he had to label it as "a very nice area" because it wouldn't be immediately obvious pnwmom Jul 2018 #18

Beautiful melman Jul 2018 #19

This is my home town - it was a place where a lot of cops/firefighter types could afford a home... Lucky Luciano Jul 2018 #20

My parents bought a home there in 1964 for $22k BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #176

My parents bought theirs in 1969 for $29,900! Hi neighbor! Lucky Luciano Jul 2018 #177

Lol; Mohansic Elementary was pretty much in my backyard BeyondGeography Jul 2018 #181

Nice! Me too! Class of 90. Lucky Luciano Jul 2018 #184

The house was purchased for $155K in 1989, sold for $355 in 2016. George II Jul 2018 #188

Recommended. H2O Man Jul 2018 #21

What? paleotn Jul 2018 #22

Looks like a pretty modest home. trof Jul 2018 #23

It is a very nice house...would go for 600,000 to a million depending on how big the rooms and Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #31

You know the house? trof Jul 2018 #34

I'm guessing based on neighborhood. Also, many homes that may have been affordable JI7 Jul 2018 #40

Check Zillow. The houses in that price range in Yorktown are quite a bit larger Sophia4 Jul 2018 #46

Yorktown as a whole is entirely different from Yorktown Heights. YH is generally higher priced. George II Jul 2018 #119

To clear up some confusion about Yorktown vs. Yorktown Heights: George II Jul 2018 #132

That house was sold for $355K in 2016. It's a lot of money in some parts of the country, pnwmom Jul 2018 #89

My working class blue collar parents sold their home in Queens NY that I grew up in tulipsandroses Jul 2018 #155

You can say that about Yorktown as a whole, this is Yorktown Heights which customarily has been.... George II Jul 2018 #118

That's my hometown George! It is very middle class. Lucky Luciano Jul 2018 #183

I know the area...hubs grew up in New York went to Manhattan and lived around the Bronx. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #41

No, the area. Although I be I have driven by it a time or two. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #63

"considered ivy league" melman Jul 2018 #42

I am aware of that ...but I lived in that area and BU was considered Ivy leage by many...great Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #61

I've lived in New England most of my life melman Jul 2018 #65

my husband's family lives in New Canaan Ct. As I said I went to High School in Ridgefield CT. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #71

I didn't say anything about an article melman Jul 2018 #74

Boom ChubbyStar Jul 2018 #78

I see...so it is a 'hit' tweet...well fuck Newmax! Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #84

Me too RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #152

I grew up on the east coast, and I had a nephew who went to BU. pnwmom Jul 2018 #87

Did you check Zillow before estimating a price? Sophia4 Jul 2018 #45

I know people that live there and looked at the house pic so that is how I came up with that number Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #59

Do you have a link for an ad on Zillow or any other website that shows a 2-bedroom Sophia4 Jul 2018 #62

Why don't google is Sophia...I put a range actually in terms of price. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #69

Here you go . . . . Sophia4 Jul 2018 #76

And you know it is a two bedroom how? I have never looked at that particular house but I have Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #82

lol RandiFan1290 Jul 2018 #83

LOL, I agree why don't you stop? Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #85

I live in Los Angeles where housing prices have skyrocketed in the past 30 years. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #109

The BU comment, the speculation on the price/worth of the house ChubbyStar Jul 2018 #79

I don't see what it matters...what does it matter? Obviously I am missing something here...I think Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #81

Well yes, you are missing her point... chesterslick Jul 2018 #99

It's was a 3-bedroom house and it's in Yorktown Heights, not Yorktown. George II Jul 2018 #120

Looked just like my mother's two-bedroom to me. Sophia4 Jul 2018 #133

Boston University is NOT Ivy League. yardwork Jul 2018 #50

Not technically but those of us who lived in the area considered it to be... just saying. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #57

I went to school in Massachusetts and so did one of my children, and a nephew. pnwmom Jul 2018 #88

No technically! It's not! RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #153

BU Ivy League? ornotna Jul 2018 #70

Utterly insane! regnaD kciN Jul 2018 #151

The NYTimes described it as a modest 2 bedroom, in an area with houses under $400 K. pnwmom Jul 2018 #86

It actually sold for $355K in 2016. pnwmom Jul 2018 #90

Apparently is was sold in probate so it could have been sold at less that market price. George II Jul 2018 #121

Boston University (and Boston College, too) have frequently been mistaken as "Ivy League".... George II Jul 2018 #124

The asshole tweeter should study before they tweet RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #154

No 300-350k. It's very small. I'm from that town originally. Lucky Luciano Jul 2018 #182

when she wins her house seat she should run for speaker nt msongs Jul 2018 #24

that would be awesome bigtree Jul 2018 #25

I have to disagree with you here. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #51

Exactly right. It takes time, she has time, she can shine (more) n/t Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #56

I hear you bigtree Jul 2018 #67

Have to agree, but still wouldn't you like to see this more often! chesterslick Jul 2018 #101

Right. A total neophyte is EXACTLY what we need in that position. RandomAccess Jul 2018 #29

Yes. This. Exactly. Thank you! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #32

Thank you, RandomAccess for saying what I came here to say. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #33

You're saying Alexandria could do no better? Experience doesn't always translate into results... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #58

Well, it's like this RandomAccess Jul 2018 #68

You make my case... politics is NOT brain surgery and Alexandria has a knack for politics... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #73

She is great, but I am saying that she would not do well. Caliman73 Jul 2018 #106

I'm not trying to be totally dismissive here but most of that is handled by the Clerk. joshcryer Jul 2018 #80

So you want new member to spend their time in organizing and admin work ? JI7 Jul 2018 #37

Why? George II Jul 2018 #43

That's not an entry level position. ehrnst Jul 2018 #48

Alexandria gets my vote! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #55

Well and good, but reps choose their own leader ehrnst Jul 2018 #95

Oh okay, maybe someday...haha you're funny! Scuse me for expressin my opinion on an opinion board... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #98

The facts are that reps elect their speaker, and she hasn't won the election. ehrnst Jul 2018 #100

Well that's a relief! Good to know that you think it's good that I recognize that I have an opinion! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #104

I hope you now understand that someone pointing out facts isn't "being contrarian," ehrnst Jul 2018 #108

Yes, thanks for reminding me on the difference between facts and opinions... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #110

Well, you can hope she wins the general, and you can hope that ehrnst Jul 2018 #112

Not HOPING anything; I'm PREDICTING based on known facts that Alexandria will easily win in November InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #114

And I never stated that she would not win, only that she has yet to do so. ehrnst Jul 2018 #115

Alexandria has yet to win? Wow, the things you learn here. InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #122

The primary and the general are two different elections. ehrnst Jul 2018 #150

And That's What She Needs To Focus On Me. Jul 2018 #146

A speaker needs to have thorough knowledge of house rules, and experience pnwmom Jul 2018 #91

Yes, especially not someone who hasn't previously networked with national political leaders Tom Rinaldo Jul 2018 #96

I am often surprised to see how little importance actual experience is valued now in candidates. ehrnst Jul 2018 #102

No, she has no experience. I want someone with that all american girl Jul 2018 #148

Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jul 2018 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author heaven05 Jul 2018 #27

Nothing more stimulating and crowd-pleasing than democrank Jul 2018 #64

K&R suffragette Jul 2018 #28

If Trumpsters lived in that house, the NYT would write about their economic anxiety. RandySF Jul 2018 #30

That's exactly what i got from it. Would anyone show a house like that as an example JI7 Jul 2018 #38

I think it's pretty. lapucelle Jul 2018 #196

+1 leftstreet Jul 2018 #72

She kicked his lying ass. Hat tip to AOC and thanks for posting! emulatorloo Jul 2018 #35

Very good on her part. Don't let that bullshit get legs. nt Blue_true Jul 2018 #49

She's a breath of fresh air. NY_20th Jul 2018 #60

Looks like she busted her hump to get ahead gratuitous Jul 2018 #66

Alexandria sure did.. maybe SHE'S the one who should be doing the mentoring... InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #125

Great response. nt Honeycombe8 Jul 2018 #75

Suburbs are cheaper than the city IronLionZion Jul 2018 #92

K&R ck4829 Jul 2018 #93

Message auto-removed Name removed Jul 2018 #97

Yes - and All Democratics have to treat each other well JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #103

Duckworth said her policies are 'too far left' bigtree Jul 2018 #105

I wasn't aware that Duckworth JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #113

what Duckworth said was indefensible bigtree Jul 2018 #116

Duckworth told the truth JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #123

A few things I find interesting in the tweets and subsequent discussion: George II Jul 2018 #117

Duckworth attacked Ocasio-Cortez, not the other way around bigtree Jul 2018 #127

No she didn't. She was asked a question during an interview, and her response.... George II Jul 2018 #129

her answer was an attack on Ocasio-Cortez bigtree Jul 2018 #131

Here's a link to the transcript (CNN doesn't have the full interview online yet). George II Jul 2018 #134

Jake Tapper is a pot stirrer. NY_20th Jul 2018 #135

Because it's common knowledge JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #139

I'll just shut my mind down, pretend I'm a political neophyte (and Duckworth, as well) bigtree Jul 2018 #137

What Duckworth said, in an unemotional way, is that politics in the Bronx is different than.... George II Jul 2018 #144

do you know what it is about Ocasio-Cortez's economic policies bigtree Jul 2018 #147

Exactly, George.. Thank You! Cha Jul 2018 #157

She Has More Than Earned The Right To Speak Me. Jul 2018 #159

Duckworth brings baby along to Capitol immigration protest Cha Jul 2018 #160

That so called insult, "too far left" was in reference to THE MIDWEST, not Queens/the Bronx. George II Jul 2018 #187

Exactly G II.. and the Objective is to WIN House Seats! Not to play Cha Jul 2018 #191

Actually metro (like Bronx/Queens) areas are Obama/Clinton Dem strongholds, radius777 Jul 2018 #185

I can't find the results down to the district level, but Clinton won the Bronx 70-30, Queens 62-38.. George II Jul 2018 #186

.. Cha Jul 2018 #192

Here are the district level results. lapucelle Jul 2018 #195

Yep- still not seeing the insult JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #141

there's a good chance Duckworth didn't either bigtree Jul 2018 #142

In what way was she "wrong". You keep saying that but are never specific. What did she say.... George II Jul 2018 #158

either you're being obtuse, or you just disagree bigtree Jul 2018 #163

No I'm not. You vaguely say she was "wrong" and then mis-characterize what she said.... George II Jul 2018 #164

this is sea-lioning George bigtree Jul 2018 #165

Hey George, Thanks for quoting Senator T Duckworth.. Cha Jul 2018 #170

That's an interesting analysis. Thanks. George II Jul 2018 #171

Yes, and I think the news on the "Establishment Dems" Cha Jul 2018 #172

Sorry, but you haven't answered that, otherwise you could direct me to the answer, and you could.... George II Jul 2018 #173

George bigtree Jul 2018 #174

bigtree, yet you still can't tell us specifically what was objectionable about... George II Jul 2018 #175

what is this heaven05 Jul 2018 #220

Not much different than the Conor Lamb situation, where he was attacked for being too "conservative" George II Jul 2018 #145

I'm not comfortable with the party associated with 'conservative' anything bigtree Jul 2018 #149

Ahhh-men JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #161

YES! Conor Lamb won on Health issues.. backing President Obama's Cha Jul 2018 #217

I stand with Senator Tammy Duckworth.. FWIW! Cha Jul 2018 #156

this is not true heaven05 Jul 2018 #221

Amen to all of this JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #128

Duckworth attacked Ocasio-Cortez, not the other way around bigtree Jul 2018 #130

See my post #134. I don't see an attack in Duckworth's response to the question. George II Jul 2018 #136

Duckworth didn't insult her JustAnotherGen Jul 2018 #138

god help her state's liberal voters bigtree Jul 2018 #140

++1000 heaven05 Jul 2018 #219

Duckworth is hardly ruling class. murielm99 Jul 2018 #162

this is a neat trick bigtree Jul 2018 #166

My outrage is not invented. murielm99 Jul 2018 #168

first, you jumped in on another discussion bigtree Jul 2018 #169

Good on You, Muriel! You Are a Warrioress! Cha Jul 2018 #194

except this isn't a thread about Duckworth bigtree Jul 2018 #197

I stand with Senator Tammy Duckworth and I stand with Cha Jul 2018 #213

so what? bigtree Jul 2018 #215

"where she is" heaven05 Jul 2018 #222

this is gibberish. bigtree Jul 2018 #226

to you heaven05 Jul 2018 #227

more important that the party stay 'loyal' to the issues and concerns she brings to Congress bigtree Jul 2018 #230

it had already heaven05 Jul 2018 #231

DU voted overwhelmingly for Sanders in the primary bigtree Jul 2018 #232

Whoa heaven05 Jul 2018 #233

all you can do with this is try and trash this thread you keep kicking up to the top bigtree Jul 2018 #234

I'm never alone heaven05 Jul 2018 #235

you are on this thread bigtree Jul 2018 #236

I am on a mission heaven05 Jul 2018 #237

you're all by yourself on this thread bigtree Jul 2018 #239

not really heaven05 Jul 2018 #240

+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #241

you're afraid to take this to the wider DU bigtree Jul 2018 #245

no, I'm not "afraid" heaven05 Jul 2018 #247

Post removed Post removed Jul 2018 #248

Cortez should not try heaven05 Jul 2018 #250

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez was responding to Duckworth bigtree Jul 2018 #251

I don't skulk heaven05 Jul 2018 #252

Thanks for posting this picture murielm99 Jul 2018 #253

Not all alone. betsuni Jul 2018 #242

this poster is trying to exploit a picture of AOC and Susan Sarandon on this thread bigtree Jul 2018 #243

As if photos of Hillary Clinton and Henry Kissinger weren't standard divisive bullshit for years. betsuni Jul 2018 #244

what the hell does that mean bigtree Jul 2018 #246

the idiot replied and was smacked down good: robbedvoter Jul 2018 #107

Growing up in Iowa I lived in a nice blue collar neighborhood all american girl Jul 2018 #143

Texas Is Poised To Elect Its First Latina Congresswoman Gothmog Jul 2018 #178

That's great melman Jul 2018 #180

Because I am proud of these two Latinas who are doing things in the real world Gothmog Jul 2018 #189

That's great melman Jul 2018 #190

Me for one ... sheshe2 Jul 2018 #193

It will be interesting to see which of these new Congresswomen are able to get bills adopted Gothmog Jul 2018 #200

Texas Poised To Make History With First Two Latina Congresswomen Gothmog Jul 2018 #179

Is someone trying to... tonedevil Jul 2018 #198

AOC and Senator Garcia have a great deal in common Gothmog Jul 2018 #199

Sadly, not that different than what I've heard from a lot of Democrats towards AOC..... vi5 Jul 2018 #201

As for your final point, Our Revolution is already doing some of that. George II Jul 2018 #202

I haven't seen anything from Our Revolution distancing themselves from her... vi5 Jul 2018 #203

I was referring to this: George II Jul 2018 #204

I know.....note the "from the party" portion of that. vi5 Jul 2018 #205

I get emails from Democratic Party office-holders from all over the country soliciting funding..... George II Jul 2018 #209

And I don't see why anyone in the Democratic party... vi5 Jul 2018 #212

No one has distanced themselves, at least as of 8 days after her primary victory..... George II Jul 2018 #214

that was said without any evidence presented at all bigtree Jul 2018 #216

**crickets** bigtree Jul 2018 #218

What that translates to.... vi5 Jul 2018 #224

what was the point in raising 'Our Revolution' in response George? bigtree Jul 2018 #206

It was in response to this, which I've already pointed out: George II Jul 2018 #207

apples and oranges, George bigtree Jul 2018 #208

Not so. Our Revolution didn't even exist during Sanders' campaign. He and Jane established it... George II Jul 2018 #210

entirely true, George. Our Revolution is a splinter off of the Sanders campaign bigtree Jul 2018 #211

that last line heaven05 Jul 2018 #238

what's with this photo heaven05 Jul 2018 #223

what does that have to do with the op? bigtree Jul 2018 #225

has everything to heaven05 Jul 2018 #228

got all that from a photo, didya? bigtree Jul 2018 #229

Oh my. demmiblue Jul 2018 #249