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In reply to the discussion: Fucking Welfare Queens [View all]progree
(12,749 posts)130. "But your right, let's go back to the halcyon day's of the 80's" - cut the crap
But your right, let's go back to the halcyon days of the 80's, welfare was going real well back then.
Absolutely NOTHING, NOTHING I said indicated I wanted to go back to the halcyon days of the 80's, or that I thought welfare was going real well back then. NOTHING. I pay $14,000/year in federal income and state income taxes, and it sucks. I am a taxpayer, not a tax-eater. Giving a waiver on some 10 hour (if that's the number, where do you get that, by the way????) to the single mom with 3 kids to get through med school sooner rather than later is to save the taxpayers money, so that she transitions from tax-eater to taxpayer sooner. There is NO GOOD PURPOSE to putting her on some kind of county make-work project like looking for the teeniest bit of litter in an already very clean park (where I live there are far more people assigned to community service than there is real work to do).
By the way, have you done ANYTHING to look into what the real story is, rather than circulating some RW deliberately and grossly misleading half truths? ANYTHING?????.
Again, do you think Obama, before an election, decided to become a bleeding heart liberal and ban work requirements? NO HE DID NOT.
Do you think those 29 governors, including Romney, wanted waivers because they are secretly bleeding heart liberals that think people should sit on their asses all day? If you think that, well, never mind. Well, to put it nicely, I think you are really gullible to fall for these RW deliberately grossly misleading half-truths without even a bit of skepticism or curiosity. Just swallow whatever you hear on right wing hate radio, or right wing hate TV, or right wing hate email.
Have you even looked at the letter to find out why waivers might be a good idea in their minds? Obviously you didn't. Because all you seem to want to do is circulate RW crap.
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Obama Administration Defends Change to Welfare-to-Work Program, By REBECCA BERG, 7/19/12
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/07/19/obama-administration-defends-change-to-welfare-to-work-program/
In a letter dated Wednesday and signed by Kathleen Sebelius, the Health and Human Services secretary, the agency called its proposal one that strengthens the laws purpose to move people off of welfare and into jobs by utilizing state-based innovation. ... Our goal is to accelerate job placement by moving more Americans from welfare to work, and no policy which undercuts that goal or waters down work requirements will be considered or approved by the department, the letter read.
... At issue is a directive released last week that would enable states to experiment with changes to their welfare-to-work programs, primarily as a means to bypass burdensome paperwork and reporting requirements. The letter to Mr. Camp and Mr. Hatch clarified that waivers would only be granted if states aimed to increase work placement by 20 percent, and waivers would be rescinded unless states demonstrated clear progress toward that goal within the first year.
... Speaking to reporters on Wednesday, Jay Carney, White House press secretary, maintained that the administration opposes any effort to undermine those [work] requirements and called Republican opposition hypocritical. (and the article goes on to mention the 2005 letter signed by 29 governors, and also last year by 5 governors - 2 of them Republican)
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Here's the ***** 29 Republican governors' 2005 letter. Basically they are saying the federal law is a patchwork mess and that Congress isn't able to fix it because of politics, so let the states deal with it.
http://democrats.waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/112/2005_Romney_Letter.pdf
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Actually, I think Obama caved to the Republicans by letting them increase the work requirements and tighten up on other rules. But the RW noise machine turns that into a propaganda campaign about Obama -- the Kenyan Mau Mau Socialist food stamp president -- ending the work requirement.
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I keep bringing up how many of the 1% must actually make more directly from taxpayers than
brewens
Aug 2012
#1
it seems like the upper middle class pays the taxes and the top 1% collects them.
HiPointDem
Aug 2012
#18
The average itemized deductions for those with income $200k or more is $64k.
LiberalFighter
Aug 2012
#45
Hasn't that almost always been the case with the ruling class. They just didn't used to
brewens
Aug 2012
#58
This is DISCRETIONARY spending, Social Security, Welfare, Food stamps etc are NOT included
happyslug
Aug 2012
#77
I think pretty much the same. In a second term, fighting climate change must...
Amonester
Aug 2012
#16
...and there's all the HLS and other covert op costs which are covered in secrecy.
L0oniX
Aug 2012
#13
Well, there's certainly been enough reporting on the egregious and massive corruption since
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#40
You never answered my question, 'what % of the National Budget goes to the poor'?
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#90
Welfare, Food Stamps and Social Security are under "NON-Discretionary" spending.
happyslug
Aug 2012
#79
Do you have any idea how much those "perfectly capable men" (a judgment you leap to with
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#56
I am not conservative, I have an opinion that I wish more people would share.
crimson77
Aug 2012
#59
Reading your post and replies leaves only one possible conclusion. Yes, you are a conservative.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#65
Ask the 29 RepubliCON governors including Mitt Robme why they wanted the waiver. I don't know.
progree
Aug 2012
#86
I think the RWers are pulling your leg - they are great at telling half truths and manufacturing
progree
Aug 2012
#108
"But your right, let's go back to the halcyon day's of the 80's" - cut the crap
progree
Aug 2012
#130
How many people do you know personally that you believe is "taking advantage" of the system?
JaneyVee
Aug 2012
#88
Where on earth do you live where all these 'undeserving poor' are managing to get all these
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#89
i hate to tell you but those places won't take the case unless they know they can win.
ejpoeta
Aug 2012
#103
So you know one person who in your opinion is scamming the system for what is, actually a pittance
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#120
You still haven't commented on the Welfare Queens who are getting trillions of dollars
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#125
More generalizations about the working class poor. Keep going, I'm enjoying your posts, they
sabrina 1
Aug 2012
#87
Would you spend $50,000,000.00 for an alarm system to protect a 73 Ford Pinto?
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2012
#20
"This country is and will continue to be the greatest country in the history of civilization."
Spitfire of ATJ
Aug 2012
#29
The out-of-control MIC, of which Ike warned us, and a chillingly regressive tax scheme, perpetrated
indepat
Aug 2012
#35
The "Black Budget" is included, it is buried in the Defense Budget somewhere.
happyslug
Aug 2012
#82
And when people suggest cutting military spending, the Teabaggers throw a shit fit!
Crowman1979
Aug 2012
#61
We spent $80 Billion over 10 years to re-build Afghanistan Electric grid and schools....
lib2DaBone
Aug 2012
#69
What the bullies of the world spend the most on ... MIC ... and corporate welfare. n/t
RKP5637
Aug 2012
#78
I have to disagree, but excluding non-discretionary spending, this chart is missing half the budget.
happyslug
Aug 2012
#83
Indeed +1. The numbers are right there, from independent NGO's to the U.N.
Egalitarian Thug
Aug 2012
#98
We used to call these people "war profiteers", and when we caught them they got hung for treason.
baldguy
Aug 2012
#100