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RZM

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19. Indeed

Tue Aug 7, 2012, 12:56 AM

Aug 2012

But I do have to say that I'd rather have people thinking than not, even if they temporarily arrive at the wrong destination. Many folks who go towards the fringe neo-Nazi shit eventually abandon it because they realize it's nonsense. The key is to keep people thinking and questioning. When you do that, you rarely end up where you started.

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Let's discuss the difference between punk rock and hate music. [View all] stevedeshazer Aug 2012 OP

As you know, punks have always been big liberals RZM Aug 2012 #1

More of a mixture.... physioex Aug 2012 #2

That's true as well RZM Aug 2012 #3

Some are, some aren't. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #34

I agree Mosby Aug 2012 #61

Van Halen is also the ONLY band in history Ken Burch Aug 2012 #64

Punk Rock was co-opted by RW hate groups, it's origins are Left-wing working class, JaneyVee Aug 2012 #62

SOME of punk was co-opted. Ken Burch Aug 2012 #65

Great point. JaneyVee Aug 2012 #69

There is supposed to be an inherent honesty in punk music JenniferJuniper Aug 2012 #4

Unforutnately, I think they are honest RZM Aug 2012 #13

Few things are more sad than someone thoughtfully and rationally arriving at the wrong conclusion arcane1 Aug 2012 #17

Indeed RZM Aug 2012 #19

I'm referring to universal truths JenniferJuniper Aug 2012 #18

It's funny you mention unviversal truths RZM Aug 2012 #21

I guess. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #5

Not really RZM Aug 2012 #9

No need to change lyrics. If they're a crappy local hardcore band you can't decipher them anyway arcane1 Aug 2012 #11

LOL. Speaking of recipes, I can't help but post this (love the song, BTW) RZM Aug 2012 #14

This reminds me of AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #22

I have to go with 'Moskau,' which is probably my favorite Rammstein song RZM Aug 2012 #24

They are fun to watch, I have to admit AsahinaKimi Aug 2012 #28

It's really bad metal. Lint Head Aug 2012 #6

Bad metal is Ratt. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #8

Ok then... It's metal played by people who can't play. opiate69 Aug 2012 #12

Exactly. Lint Head Aug 2012 #15

Pat yourself on the back, condescender. I am the same and have played for 46 years. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #20

Well then.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #23

No. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #26

But...but...but....he's a trained professional! Genuflect! kurtzapril4 Aug 2012 #29

Only in music.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #33

Hmm.. Dire Straits had a song about mediocrity in art... Fumesucker Aug 2012 #45

Are you a member of local AFM 257? I'm proud AFLCIO Union member. Lint Head Aug 2012 #42

well, you see.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #52

Thanks. Lint Head Aug 2012 #54

As a musician who at one time was clearly a "metal-head", I feel your pain arcane1 Aug 2012 #7

The former would be the best description. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #10

I was just listening to this, and I don't have an inclination to get a gun. Gregorian Aug 2012 #16

I'm not exactly doing "punk rock" now... GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #25

Respect. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #27

Thanks, I try...nt GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #30

New Wave Theater!!!! Bluenorthwest Aug 2012 #44

Peter Ivers was great! GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #46

how is this being blamed on punk? seanpencil Aug 2012 #31

I like what you're saying. limpyhobbler Aug 2012 #32

The "technical term" is Hate Rock. nt ErikJ Aug 2012 #35

Hate has no musical genre. rocktivity Aug 2012 #36

Nazis stoled the skinhead, name, look and dress UnrepentantLiberal Aug 2012 #37

"Skinhead" in the UK is something completely different from US skinheads. In the UK they call our Erose999 Aug 2012 #60

Oi music Rosa Luxemburg Aug 2012 #78

People blame guns, music, religion, etc The Straight Story Aug 2012 #38

Nazi Skinheads were a creepy sideshow to the LA punk scene Romnopoly Aug 2012 #39

And I always noticed Nevernose Aug 2012 #43

Not just the early �80s...they're still around. a la izquierda Aug 2012 #82

My brother was into punk Shankapotomus Aug 2012 #40

Sorry but... Spider Jerusalem Aug 2012 #41

Punk includes racist elements, just as humans include racist elements. yardwork Aug 2012 #47

I think part of the misunderstanding comes from the provincialism of the UK music press. Romulox Aug 2012 #50

Mick Jones of the Clash who is Jewish JenniferJuniper Aug 2012 #51

Don`t forget also.... opiate69 Aug 2012 #53

Johnny Ramone was a Republican and Raygun and Dubya supporter JenniferJuniper Aug 2012 #55

never meant to imply any Nazi tie... opiate69 Aug 2012 #57

Punk was/is essentially left wing but there are always gonna be a few rebels... JenniferJuniper Aug 2012 #58

Always saw it as more Anarchist, opiate69 Aug 2012 #59

As Triumph the Insult Comic Dog said . . . RZM Aug 2012 #63

Point taken. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #66

Still my music of choice...albeit old school. as they say... Tikki Aug 2012 #48

Henry Rollins fronted Black Flag obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #49

Our band opened for Black Flag. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #67

Very cool! obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #68

We played with Black Flag, actually, we booked em... GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #70

My band was The Stiphnoyds, from Portland. stevedeshazer Aug 2012 #73

Both of those clips are what real punk is all about... GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #76

RIP Steve grasswire Aug 2012 #80

Like I said in the thread about Steve's passing... GReedDiamond Aug 2012 #81

There's a lot of truly hateful bands in underground music. Initech Aug 2012 #56

Easy. flvegan Aug 2012 #71

I like the punk movement a bit more than the music, in general. Zorra Aug 2012 #72

The only obnoxious trait I've encountered in actual punks is a tendency for snide hippie-bashing. Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #74

Bet it totally Cramps their style when you do that. nt Zorra Aug 2012 #75

Yah Warren DeMontague Aug 2012 #79

I thought "hate music" had something to do with disco jberryhill Aug 2012 #77