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ProfessorPlum

(11,252 posts)
241. Well said
Tue Jul 24, 2018, 05:14 AM
Jul 2018

I thought the attitudes and defeatism in this article would be roundly condemned by Democrats at DU, who have heard this kind of "don't help anybody" kind of rhetoric before.

. stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #1
I call BS on the OP.. Awesome Dems are out there Winning All Over the Country and Actually Helping Cha Jul 2018 #198
Excellent post Cha. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #230
Our Dems ARE Helping People.. "terrified of Cha Jul 2018 #235
+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #232
plus++ a gazillion! Sunlei Jul 2018 #267
Same old same old... maybe it's time for a new strategy? InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #2
Hard to call Tim Ryan same old same old. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #11
I can't stand him. N/t Horse with no Name Jul 2018 #208
The "Sanders wing" won't "help people" if Democrats don't win the election. brooklynite Jul 2018 #3
All of them? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #8
How about Conor Lamb? RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #12
Doh ! OnDoutside Jul 2018 #34
OFFS Recursion Jul 2018 #13
the question was how many _could_ she win in? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #14
There's about 15 or 16 House districts she could win Recursion Jul 2018 #16
thank you for the look into the future, Kreskin ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #44
I dig how you indict others for the same things you do LanternWaste Jul 2018 #67
Thanks! ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #75
Amen. shanny Jul 2018 #106
You nailed it wryter2000 Jul 2018 #111
How many primaries have candidates like her won? mythology Jul 2018 #25
lol JNelson6563 Jul 2018 #187
I remember that Democrats are not the enemy. We are Democrats ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #207
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #221
Straw man. No one is promoting a one size KPN Jul 2018 #236
Well said ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #241
Highly inaccurate statement you are making here. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #193
you cant qazplm135 Jul 2018 #253
How has the Sanders wing helped people since we lost in 2016? brooklynite Jul 2018 #275
Stop attacking her. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #41
I had the real Chang last week ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #46
You should tly the fly lie. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #76
will. . . .not . .. . laugh . . . ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #80
Then u will cry alone!! Chickensoup Jul 2018 #85
literally LOLing now ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #87
for whatever it's worth I like u. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #179
Luckily for all of us, H2O Man Jul 2018 #132
i agree, especially when they are meeting together ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #143
+1000 G_j Jul 2018 #147
Exactly! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #272
Looks like the Republican owned media has found something to split the Democratic party again. docgee Jul 2018 #4
Exaxctly, they are even dusting off the term "third way." FSogol Jul 2018 #5
Third Way is the name of the think tank that hosted this get together ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #7
In the real world they are insignificant. On DU they are the most FSogol Jul 2018 #21
Third Way is the most powerful boogie-man on DU? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #36
"they are insignificant"? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #169
BS. The DLC did not become the Third Way. The third way is minor un-notable think tank, FSogol Jul 2018 #171
Useful as a bogeyman, though, neh? MineralMan Jul 2018 #173
Exactly. n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #174
The DLC and the Third Way as a policy, were tied to the hips. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #176
Pure Claptrap. FSogol Jul 2018 #178
Brilliant rebuttal LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #181
Ham and Cheese! FSogol Jul 2018 #183
All of this happened in the 80s and 90s. Catch up. Or at least Squinch Jul 2018 #199
Yup wryter2000 Jul 2018 #114
As a past supporter and actual delegate for Bernie randr Jul 2018 #6
Because last election there was too much protest voting. docgee Jul 2018 #9
If you have to explain it to them awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #39
A higher percentage of Saders voters voted for Clinton in 2016 mythology Jul 2018 #40
I absolutely don't believe the study that says 25% of Clinton voters went for McCain. LisaM Jul 2018 #96
CNN exit poll puts it at 17% voting for McCain. progressoid Jul 2018 #184
Not certain "a CNN exit poll" is a sufficiently accurate measure AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #225
This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #224
They should listen to Stacy Abrams, NY_20th Jul 2018 #10
great idea to stop pursuing Republican voters ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #15
The next governor of Georgia! oberliner Jul 2018 #17
She doesn't get the point of politics Renew Deal Jul 2018 #20
Which is why Republicans control all three branches of the fed government. They ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #24
Whenever I see folks try to bring up "well thats why republicans control all three branches" stuff stevenleser Jul 2018 #190
Whenever I see folks question the rightward shift of the party, disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #255
That has nothing to do with what I wrote. Your attempt at distraction does not change the facts stevenleser Jul 2018 #269
Yeah.. your right.. all is well - we're doing fine here.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #276
No sale. If you want to control people's behavior, which is really what this is about. You need to stevenleser Jul 2018 #277
Control peoples behavior??.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #278
Yep, that's what this is. You want people to do what you want them to do (vote a certain way) stevenleser Jul 2018 #279
I don't see it that way at all. NY_20th Jul 2018 #28
so THAT'S how the pukes win! shanny Jul 2018 #109
IKR? LOL ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #112
THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #33
I'm with Stacy. nt PunkinPi Jul 2018 #135
On MSNBC last week, one of the DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #168
Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #175
But isn't the Sanders wing trying to win republicans? ecstatic Jul 2018 #264
what the hell is a 'moderate Democrat?' bigtree Jul 2018 #18
I would use the term "pragmatic" to describe a moderate Democrat. honest.abe Jul 2018 #29
ah yes, "pragmatism" ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #32
There's always Pokemon Go. LuvLoogie Jul 2018 #45
If eating peas gets us back in power and removes that lunatic from the WH.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #47
"If eating peas gets us back in power" Relies on facts not in evidence ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #55
If all who claimed to be progressives supported and voted Democrats in the last election.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #61
I think a huge percentage of them did ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #66
Yes, perhaps, but clearly not all. honest.abe Jul 2018 #82
we could have used everyone's help, for sure ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #84
I'm not fully onboard with Democratic party candidate and incumbent corporate sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #124
for now, of course. We've built a huge, corrupt (and corrupting) system ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #127
Understood. I have strong qualms regarding divisiveness, purity testing, sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #144
that is my fervent hope ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #150
Gotta. Just gotta. sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #160
If union members had supported and voted Democrats in the last election... progressoid Jul 2018 #186
During the last election many Progressives relentlessly criticized us who supported Hillary Clinton. honest.abe Jul 2018 #194
I can't post some of the things I heard Hillary supporters say about Obama during the 08 campaign progressoid Jul 2018 #217
Not comparable at all. honest.abe Jul 2018 #220
Your suspicion would be incorrect. progressoid Jul 2018 #238
If you recall there was a group called the PUMAs back then. honest.abe Jul 2018 #242
Ah, the "No True Scottsman" comeback. progressoid Jul 2018 #246
Wasn't "pragmatism" the battle cry of the winning side of the primary this last round? TCJ70 Jul 2018 #149
It would have worked out fine.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #195
they are actually defined by what they vote for. I don't trust those votes. bigtree Jul 2018 #42
You have a "trust" problem. honest.abe Jul 2018 #49
doesn't take a genius to understand that this isn't just my problem bigtree Jul 2018 #53
OH! Let's bring the woodchuck back to life, shall we? MineralMan Jul 2018 #141
You must live in a very small world. Moderate Democrats are the backbone of the Party. tonyt53 Jul 2018 #182
I love the last part you wrote bigtree Jul 2018 #185
Democrats need to focus on getting elected Renew Deal Jul 2018 #19
they do if they encourage Democratic leaders and candidates to embrace progressive ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #27
I think we need to embrace whatever it takes to win back Congress and the WH. honest.abe Jul 2018 #43
please examine that list ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #58
For the most part "progressive" candidates have lost, and in many cases... George II Jul 2018 #102
"Third Way Dems" --- Oh brother! GMAFB! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #22
That term must have focus grouped very well in St Petersburg Generic Brad Jul 2018 #98
LOL! Exactly! Squinch Jul 2018 #142
Fuck that noise. murielm99 Jul 2018 #23
THIS sheshe2 Jul 2018 #192
Cheri Bustos for House Speaker! farmbo Jul 2018 #210
I think she may be house speaker someday, murielm99 Jul 2018 #237
The Democrats have been doing pretty well electorally since Trump was elected Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #26
this is true ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #30
I can't speak as to why that isn't happening Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #38
progressives are garroted pretty routinely by the party in primaries ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #52
Vote your conscience or preference in your primary pecosbob Jul 2018 #31
yes, a good strategy ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #48
yes...but never forget that a blue dog is in fact, still a dog. pecosbob Jul 2018 #50
I really don't care if the moderate wing is terrified of the liberal wing or Vinca Jul 2018 #35
Nicely put! awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #57
LOL Scurrilous Jul 2018 #37
Way too many divisive threads like this turning up. I'm suspicious. (nt) Paladin Jul 2018 #51
I'm suspicious, too. n/t murielm99 Jul 2018 #54
Yep. Names we haven't seen in ... why, it must be almost two years, now! How time flies. Squinch Jul 2018 #56
I arranged to have Third Way hold a meeting ridiculing progressives ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #59
Nice work!! hahaha!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #118
don't mention the numerous AOC attack threads bigtree Jul 2018 #63
Yes, exactly. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #180
Thank you, me too ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #239
Rising Tide Lifts All Boats colsohlibgal Jul 2018 #60
totally agree ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #62
Wouldn't it make more sense to go after republicans instead of fellow Democrats? George II Jul 2018 #64
Yeah... you'd *think*, wouldn't ya? NurseJackie Jul 2018 #68
By who? When is it going after other democrats and their messaging and when is it just being JCanete Jul 2018 #71
yep bigtree Jul 2018 #81
Third Way? kcr Jul 2018 #254
what a weird and insidious game you're playing here bigtree Jul 2018 #257
Really? Clarifying things by pointing out the facts is insidious? kcr Jul 2018 #260
you had your moment bigtree Jul 2018 #263
I'm heartbroken kcr Jul 2018 #265
+1000 stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #89
Moderate/Centrists are the true progressives poetshepherd Jul 2018 #65
I can make no sense of this post ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #73
I think some puffing is going on. FSogol Jul 2018 #78
and fluffing shanny Jul 2018 #113
there is no sense to make. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2018 #153
Welcome to DU. fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #189
Why do we need a new freedom caucus? Gothmog Jul 2018 #69
Better Believe It!! MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #70
LOL! Squinch Jul 2018 #146
I'm a bigger fan of the warren wing. And she doesn't use fear tactics against me. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #72
This exactly dansolo Jul 2018 #243
"Third Way Dems?" Again? MineralMan Jul 2018 #74
that's the name of their own organization ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #77
It's an out-of-date, slanderous shibboleth. MineralMan Jul 2018 #86
do not get ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #88
I won't waste any more of my time. MineralMan Jul 2018 #90
Ok, thanks. I didn't call them Third Way, it was the name of the group that organized the meeting ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #92
Of course you would call them those things. MineralMan Jul 2018 #94
Oh no. I wouldn't have said anything if I thought you would ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #95
I didn't realize your love for Cheri Bustos would brook no argument ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #100
Not my district. MineralMan Jul 2018 #104
Back from where ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #110
Posting stats are visible to everyone. MineralMan Jul 2018 #115
are you talking about this spring when I was battling cancer? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #120
You probably shouldn't melman Jul 2018 #137
I see. Haven't seen you around for a while. MineralMan Jul 2018 #138
You should take a closer look at those 'posting stats' melman Jul 2018 #140
I think you are starting to see boogeymen (boogeypersons?) hueymahl Jul 2018 #163
What's slanderous is tarring the entire Democratic party kcr Jul 2018 #258
Let me know when somebody does that ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #262
You. In your OP. kcr Jul 2018 #270
Strawman much? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #271
No. You only acted like it was the whole damn party. kcr Jul 2018 #273
welcome to ignore, you liar ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #274
Scary: Third-way Dems gonna git ya! FSogol Jul 2018 #83
It's where they met. It's where they're organizing bigtree Jul 2018 #91
Is the name of the think tank a problem? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #93
it's a good vehicle to steer around substance, and a trigger here at DU bigtree Jul 2018 #99
hmmm. thanks for the clarification. ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #101
Terrified? Nope Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #79
They always claim 'big tent' when they want us to vote for right wingers. nt RandiFan1290 Jul 2018 #97
How can there be a "Sanders wing" of the Democratic Party when Sanders isn't a Democrat? scheming daemons Jul 2018 #103
keep thinking. you'll figure it out ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #107
Sorry... if he isn't willing to register as a Democrat, I'm not willing to acknowledge his "wing" scheming daemons Jul 2018 #128
jesus, talk about old talking points ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #133
I Don't "like" BS always throwing insults at our Democratic Party.. here in his Own words.. Cha Jul 2018 #218
There Isn't.. and No one is "terrified" either.. it's Cha Jul 2018 #197
We'll see how helpful the "Sanders Wing" are, once the primaries are over. It shouldn't take that OnDoutside Jul 2018 #105
abolishing ICE as it exists now ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #108
You continue down the Abolish ICE trail and you will have saturation coverage of ads saying that OnDoutside Jul 2018 #116
We can have better sound bites and also better policies ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #121
Well then come up with sensible policies to reform ICE and campaign on that. That's something likely OnDoutside Jul 2018 #123
I'll let AOC pick her messaging, she seems to be doing just fine ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #130
It is analogous to killing NAFTA, Korean Trade Deal, and the Trans-Pacific Free Trade Agreement olegramps Jul 2018 #148
The thing is ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #156
icymi shanny Jul 2018 #117
Yes I saw it, but that's irrelevant to feeding Rep talking points. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #119
sorry but the pukes are going to have nasty over-the-top talking points shanny Jul 2018 #122
Then don't GIVE them a free gift of an over the top talking point !!! OnDoutside Jul 2018 #125
We could, for example, shove their love for ICE and their Nazi tactics ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jul 2018 #126
How much longer a we going to continue to drive a wedge in the Democratic Party SFnomad Jul 2018 #129
I agree ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #134
No, you don't agree SFnomad Jul 2018 #213
sorry, did I do that? Or did the people in the article separate themselves and ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #214
Yes, you have done it and you continue to do it n/t SFnomad Jul 2018 #215
I suspect it is not naivete. I suspect it is malicious. The tells are all there. Squinch Jul 2018 #152
We don't need division for crying outloud. Unity, Unity! olegramps Jul 2018 #155
Sanders Democrats want to bring the functions of ICE under some authority Sophia4 Jul 2018 #136
well stated ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #139
Tim Ryan makes around $147K vi5 Jul 2018 #145
Plz,,,,,,,These crooks would work with no salary,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2018 #157
you can almost support a family in the Boston area ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #158
Oh, I know that.... vi5 Jul 2018 #167
A little bit strange today... BittyJenkins Jul 2018 #151
. Squinch Jul 2018 #154
yeah, again, I'm not sure the threads (like mine) are the problem ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #159
You may not be sure, but most of the rest of us are. Squinch Jul 2018 #166
+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2018 #201
Thank you for keeping track of these type of threads, I've been seeing more of them also uponit7771 Jul 2018 #172
I guess losing it all in 16 wasn't enough...more losing with this sort of post. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #161
America is not a leftist country, will never be one, we are a beachbum bob Jul 2018 #162
"There's a lot of people that just don't really like protests and don't like yelling and screaming, riversedge Jul 2018 #164
isn't that nuts? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #165
Think it would be helpful if the "terrified" Dems worried about their own districts bigbrother05 Jul 2018 #170
Bingo! MineralMan Jul 2018 #177
Can we cut the decisive crap? we can do it Jul 2018 #188
Dah Komrade! whistler162 Jul 2018 #191
Lol! Squinch Jul 2018 #200
I call BULL on the OP.. We have Dems All Over the Country Actually HELPING PEOPLE... & No One is Cha Jul 2018 #196
Journalism School Drop Out That I am Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2018 #202
that was my own not subtle attempt at humor ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #205
Tim Ryan is a fool if he thinks he has a chance to be President. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #203
I think he's just an attention getter mvd Jul 2018 #204
We need to be more aggressive in taking credit for liberal beliefs. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #209
Kiss the mid-terms good-bye Adrahil Jul 2018 #206
Their strategy is nothing new. AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #211
Sanders never accomplished jack, get real man. lol. nt BootinUp Jul 2018 #212
Exactly. Cha Jul 2018 #219
This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Jul 2018 #216
I'm not terrified by the "Sanders wing." Just tired of them. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #222
+Millions! Cha Jul 2018 #223
"Terrified moderate Dems terrified" betsuni Jul 2018 #226
"Terrified!!!!!111" Cha Jul 2018 #228
Terrified of things that "might actually help people." betsuni Jul 2018 #231
Right.. well, that's what they're tying to push Cha Jul 2018 #234
Expecting the wealthy to pay their employees living wages TexasBushwhacker Jul 2018 #227
The incomparable Charlie Pierce: shanny Jul 2018 #229
+1 AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #233
Thank you ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #240
"Abolishing ICE" is a nonstarter position jmowreader Jul 2018 #244
ICE is only 15 years old ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #245
You miss the point entirely... brooklynite Jul 2018 #247
It is certainly a problem of both leadership and structure ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #249
La Migra was just as bad as ICE jmowreader Jul 2018 #248
call it what you will ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #250
What you would like... jmowreader Jul 2018 #251
Or even just any immigration security with adult supervision ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #261
You know who's pushing this Pro-Sander's message? Bernie Sanders.. brooklynite Jul 2018 #252
False hyperbole...no demoract is fearful but we do know how easy it is for beachbum bob Jul 2018 #256
The Sanders' Wing. Like the Buffalo Wing, but more terrifying. betsuni Jul 2018 #259
please don't attack any "wings" of D votes, we can't fly without wings. we need them ALL. Sunlei Jul 2018 #266
agreed, we should just let these Democrats ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #268
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