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kcr

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270. You. In your OP.

Tue Jul 24, 2018, 11:09 AM

Jul 2018

Unless you really believe that everyone outside the Bernie movement loves those guys. Everyone, the whole wide Dem party, and all their supporters are all conspiring to push out the Bernie left because we are all ideologically just like the Third Way. If so, that's embarrassingly stupid. Otherwise, it's the typical argument that leaves out other details by omission to leave the reader to fill in their own blanks. No nuance whatsoever. It serves Bernie's interests because he wants voters to think he and is acolytes are the only solution in an otherwise corrupt and evil world. He doesn't seem to care that hurts everyone else.

I'm sorry. I just can't take it seriously that you are getting so up in arms about one supposed meeting. Sabotage! End of the fucking world! And yet primarying incumbents is totally harmless! That's just democracy!

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Terrified moderate Dems terrified by the "Sanders Wing" that might actually help people [View all] ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 OP

. stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #1

I call BS on the OP.. Awesome Dems are out there Winning All Over the Country and Actually Helping Cha Jul 2018 #198

Excellent post Cha. sheshe2 Jul 2018 #230

Our Dems ARE Helping People.. "terrified of Cha Jul 2018 #235

+1 betsuni Jul 2018 #232

plus++ a gazillion! Sunlei Jul 2018 #267

Same old same old... maybe it's time for a new strategy? InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #2

Hard to call Tim Ryan same old same old. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #11

I can't stand him. N/t Horse with no Name Jul 2018 #208

The "Sanders wing" won't "help people" if Democrats don't win the election. brooklynite Jul 2018 #3

All of them? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #8

How about Conor Lamb? RhodeIslandOne Jul 2018 #12

Doh ! OnDoutside Jul 2018 #34

OFFS Recursion Jul 2018 #13

the question was how many _could_ she win in? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #14

There's about 15 or 16 House districts she could win Recursion Jul 2018 #16

thank you for the look into the future, Kreskin ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #44

I dig how you indict others for the same things you do LanternWaste Jul 2018 #67

Thanks! ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #75

Amen. shanny Jul 2018 #106

You nailed it wryter2000 Jul 2018 #111

How many primaries have candidates like her won? mythology Jul 2018 #25

lol JNelson6563 Jul 2018 #187

I remember that Democrats are not the enemy. We are Democrats ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #207

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #221

Straw man. No one is promoting a one size KPN Jul 2018 #236

Well said ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #241

Highly inaccurate statement you are making here. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #193

you cant qazplm135 Jul 2018 #253

How has the Sanders wing helped people since we lost in 2016? brooklynite Jul 2018 #275

Stop attacking her. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #41

I had the real Chang last week ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #46

You should tly the fly lie. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #76

will. . . .not . .. . laugh . . . ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #80

Then u will cry alone!! Chickensoup Jul 2018 #85

literally LOLing now ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #87

for whatever it's worth I like u. Chickensoup Jul 2018 #179

Luckily for all of us, H2O Man Jul 2018 #132

i agree, especially when they are meeting together ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #143

+1000 G_j Jul 2018 #147

Exactly! peggysue2 Jul 2018 #272

Looks like the Republican owned media has found something to split the Democratic party again. docgee Jul 2018 #4

Exaxctly, they are even dusting off the term "third way." FSogol Jul 2018 #5

Third Way is the name of the think tank that hosted this get together ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #7

In the real world they are insignificant. On DU they are the most FSogol Jul 2018 #21

Third Way is the most powerful boogie-man on DU? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #36

"they are insignificant"? LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #169

BS. The DLC did not become the Third Way. The third way is minor un-notable think tank, FSogol Jul 2018 #171

Useful as a bogeyman, though, neh? MineralMan Jul 2018 #173

Exactly. n/t FSogol Jul 2018 #174

The DLC and the Third Way as a policy, were tied to the hips. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #176

Pure Claptrap. FSogol Jul 2018 #178

Brilliant rebuttal LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #181

Ham and Cheese! FSogol Jul 2018 #183

All of this happened in the 80s and 90s. Catch up. Or at least Squinch Jul 2018 #199

Yup wryter2000 Jul 2018 #114

As a past supporter and actual delegate for Bernie randr Jul 2018 #6

Because last election there was too much protest voting. docgee Jul 2018 #9

If you have to explain it to them awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #39

A higher percentage of Saders voters voted for Clinton in 2016 mythology Jul 2018 #40

I absolutely don't believe the study that says 25% of Clinton voters went for McCain. LisaM Jul 2018 #96

CNN exit poll puts it at 17% voting for McCain. progressoid Jul 2018 #184

Not certain "a CNN exit poll" is a sufficiently accurate measure AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #225

This message was self-deleted by its author AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #224

They should listen to Stacy Abrams, NY_20th Jul 2018 #10

great idea to stop pursuing Republican voters ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #15

The next governor of Georgia! oberliner Jul 2018 #17

She doesn't get the point of politics Renew Deal Jul 2018 #20

Which is why Republicans control all three branches of the fed government. They ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #24

Whenever I see folks try to bring up "well thats why republicans control all three branches" stuff stevenleser Jul 2018 #190

Whenever I see folks question the rightward shift of the party, disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #255

That has nothing to do with what I wrote. Your attempt at distraction does not change the facts stevenleser Jul 2018 #269

Yeah.. your right.. all is well - we're doing fine here.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #276

No sale. If you want to control people's behavior, which is really what this is about. You need to stevenleser Jul 2018 #277

Control peoples behavior??.. disillusioned73 Jul 2018 #278

Yep, that's what this is. You want people to do what you want them to do (vote a certain way) stevenleser Jul 2018 #279

I don't see it that way at all. NY_20th Jul 2018 #28

so THAT'S how the pukes win! shanny Jul 2018 #109

IKR? LOL ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #112

THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS!!! EffieBlack Jul 2018 #33

I'm with Stacy. nt PunkinPi Jul 2018 #135

On MSNBC last week, one of the DeminPennswoods Jul 2018 #168

Well said Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jul 2018 #175

But isn't the Sanders wing trying to win republicans? ecstatic Jul 2018 #264

what the hell is a 'moderate Democrat?' bigtree Jul 2018 #18

I would use the term "pragmatic" to describe a moderate Democrat. honest.abe Jul 2018 #29

ah yes, "pragmatism" ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #32

There's always Pokemon Go. LuvLoogie Jul 2018 #45

If eating peas gets us back in power and removes that lunatic from the WH.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #47

"If eating peas gets us back in power" Relies on facts not in evidence ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #55

If all who claimed to be progressives supported and voted Democrats in the last election.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #61

I think a huge percentage of them did ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #66

Yes, perhaps, but clearly not all. honest.abe Jul 2018 #82

we could have used everyone's help, for sure ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #84

I'm not fully onboard with Democratic party candidate and incumbent corporate sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #124

for now, of course. We've built a huge, corrupt (and corrupting) system ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #127

Understood. I have strong qualms regarding divisiveness, purity testing, sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #144

that is my fervent hope ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #150

Gotta. Just gotta. sprinkleeninow Jul 2018 #160

If union members had supported and voted Democrats in the last election... progressoid Jul 2018 #186

During the last election many Progressives relentlessly criticized us who supported Hillary Clinton. honest.abe Jul 2018 #194

I can't post some of the things I heard Hillary supporters say about Obama during the 08 campaign progressoid Jul 2018 #217

Not comparable at all. honest.abe Jul 2018 #220

Your suspicion would be incorrect. progressoid Jul 2018 #238

If you recall there was a group called the PUMAs back then. honest.abe Jul 2018 #242

Ah, the "No True Scottsman" comeback. progressoid Jul 2018 #246

Wasn't "pragmatism" the battle cry of the winning side of the primary this last round? TCJ70 Jul 2018 #149

It would have worked out fine.. honest.abe Jul 2018 #195

they are actually defined by what they vote for. I don't trust those votes. bigtree Jul 2018 #42

You have a "trust" problem. honest.abe Jul 2018 #49

doesn't take a genius to understand that this isn't just my problem bigtree Jul 2018 #53

OH! Let's bring the woodchuck back to life, shall we? MineralMan Jul 2018 #141

You must live in a very small world. Moderate Democrats are the backbone of the Party. tonyt53 Jul 2018 #182

I love the last part you wrote bigtree Jul 2018 #185

Democrats need to focus on getting elected Renew Deal Jul 2018 #19

they do if they encourage Democratic leaders and candidates to embrace progressive ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #27

I think we need to embrace whatever it takes to win back Congress and the WH. honest.abe Jul 2018 #43

please examine that list ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #58

For the most part "progressive" candidates have lost, and in many cases... George II Jul 2018 #102

"Third Way Dems" --- Oh brother! GMAFB! NurseJackie Jul 2018 #22

That term must have focus grouped very well in St Petersburg Generic Brad Jul 2018 #98

LOL! Exactly! Squinch Jul 2018 #142

Fuck that noise. murielm99 Jul 2018 #23

THIS sheshe2 Jul 2018 #192

Cheri Bustos for House Speaker! farmbo Jul 2018 #210

I think she may be house speaker someday, murielm99 Jul 2018 #237

The Democrats have been doing pretty well electorally since Trump was elected Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #26

this is true ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #30

I can't speak as to why that isn't happening Proud Liberal Dem Jul 2018 #38

progressives are garroted pretty routinely by the party in primaries ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #52

Vote your conscience or preference in your primary pecosbob Jul 2018 #31

yes, a good strategy ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #48

yes...but never forget that a blue dog is in fact, still a dog. pecosbob Jul 2018 #50

I really don't care if the moderate wing is terrified of the liberal wing or Vinca Jul 2018 #35

Nicely put! awesomerwb1 Jul 2018 #57

LOL Scurrilous Jul 2018 #37

Way too many divisive threads like this turning up. I'm suspicious. (nt) Paladin Jul 2018 #51

I'm suspicious, too. n/t murielm99 Jul 2018 #54

Yep. Names we haven't seen in ... why, it must be almost two years, now! How time flies. Squinch Jul 2018 #56

I arranged to have Third Way hold a meeting ridiculing progressives ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #59

Nice work!! hahaha!! InAbLuEsTaTe Jul 2018 #118

don't mention the numerous AOC attack threads bigtree Jul 2018 #63

Yes, exactly. LiberalLovinLug Jul 2018 #180

Thank you, me too ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #239

Rising Tide Lifts All Boats colsohlibgal Jul 2018 #60

totally agree ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #62

Wouldn't it make more sense to go after republicans instead of fellow Democrats? George II Jul 2018 #64

Yeah... you'd *think*, wouldn't ya? NurseJackie Jul 2018 #68

By who? When is it going after other democrats and their messaging and when is it just being JCanete Jul 2018 #71

yep bigtree Jul 2018 #81

Third Way? kcr Jul 2018 #254

what a weird and insidious game you're playing here bigtree Jul 2018 #257

Really? Clarifying things by pointing out the facts is insidious? kcr Jul 2018 #260

you had your moment bigtree Jul 2018 #263

I'm heartbroken kcr Jul 2018 #265

+1000 stonecutter357 Jul 2018 #89

Moderate/Centrists are the true progressives poetshepherd Jul 2018 #65

I can make no sense of this post ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #73

I think some puffing is going on. FSogol Jul 2018 #78

and fluffing shanny Jul 2018 #113

there is no sense to make. NRaleighLiberal Jul 2018 #153

Welcome to DU. fleabiscuit Jul 2018 #189

Why do we need a new freedom caucus? Gothmog Jul 2018 #69

Better Believe It!! MrsCoffee Jul 2018 #70

LOL! Squinch Jul 2018 #146

I'm a bigger fan of the warren wing. And she doesn't use fear tactics against me. NCTraveler Jul 2018 #72

This exactly dansolo Jul 2018 #243

"Third Way Dems?" Again? MineralMan Jul 2018 #74

that's the name of their own organization ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #77

It's an out-of-date, slanderous shibboleth. MineralMan Jul 2018 #86

do not get ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #88

I won't waste any more of my time. MineralMan Jul 2018 #90

Ok, thanks. I didn't call them Third Way, it was the name of the group that organized the meeting ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #92

Of course you would call them those things. MineralMan Jul 2018 #94

Oh no. I wouldn't have said anything if I thought you would ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #95

I didn't realize your love for Cheri Bustos would brook no argument ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #100

Not my district. MineralMan Jul 2018 #104

Back from where ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #110

Posting stats are visible to everyone. MineralMan Jul 2018 #115

are you talking about this spring when I was battling cancer? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #120

You probably shouldn't melman Jul 2018 #137

I see. Haven't seen you around for a while. MineralMan Jul 2018 #138

You should take a closer look at those 'posting stats' melman Jul 2018 #140

I think you are starting to see boogeymen (boogeypersons?) hueymahl Jul 2018 #163

What's slanderous is tarring the entire Democratic party kcr Jul 2018 #258

Let me know when somebody does that ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #262

You. In your OP. kcr Jul 2018 #270

Strawman much? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #271

No. You only acted like it was the whole damn party. kcr Jul 2018 #273

welcome to ignore, you liar ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #274

Scary: Third-way Dems gonna git ya! FSogol Jul 2018 #83

It's where they met. It's where they're organizing bigtree Jul 2018 #91

Is the name of the think tank a problem? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #93

it's a good vehicle to steer around substance, and a trigger here at DU bigtree Jul 2018 #99

hmmm. thanks for the clarification. ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #101

Terrified? Nope Freethinker65 Jul 2018 #79

They always claim 'big tent' when they want us to vote for right wingers. nt RandiFan1290 Jul 2018 #97

How can there be a "Sanders wing" of the Democratic Party when Sanders isn't a Democrat? scheming daemons Jul 2018 #103

keep thinking. you'll figure it out ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #107

Sorry... if he isn't willing to register as a Democrat, I'm not willing to acknowledge his "wing" scheming daemons Jul 2018 #128

jesus, talk about old talking points ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #133

I Don't "like" BS always throwing insults at our Democratic Party.. here in his Own words.. Cha Jul 2018 #218

There Isn't.. and No one is "terrified" either.. it's Cha Jul 2018 #197

We'll see how helpful the "Sanders Wing" are, once the primaries are over. It shouldn't take that OnDoutside Jul 2018 #105

abolishing ICE as it exists now ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #108

You continue down the Abolish ICE trail and you will have saturation coverage of ads saying that OnDoutside Jul 2018 #116

We can have better sound bites and also better policies ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #121

Well then come up with sensible policies to reform ICE and campaign on that. That's something likely OnDoutside Jul 2018 #123

I'll let AOC pick her messaging, she seems to be doing just fine ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #130

It is analogous to killing NAFTA, Korean Trade Deal, and the Trans-Pacific Free Trade Agreement olegramps Jul 2018 #148

The thing is ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #156

icymi shanny Jul 2018 #117

Yes I saw it, but that's irrelevant to feeding Rep talking points. OnDoutside Jul 2018 #119

sorry but the pukes are going to have nasty over-the-top talking points shanny Jul 2018 #122

Then don't GIVE them a free gift of an over the top talking point !!! OnDoutside Jul 2018 #125

We could, for example, shove their love for ICE and their Nazi tactics ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #131

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Jul 2018 #126

How much longer a we going to continue to drive a wedge in the Democratic Party SFnomad Jul 2018 #129

I agree ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #134

No, you don't agree SFnomad Jul 2018 #213

sorry, did I do that? Or did the people in the article separate themselves and ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #214

Yes, you have done it and you continue to do it n/t SFnomad Jul 2018 #215

I suspect it is not naivete. I suspect it is malicious. The tells are all there. Squinch Jul 2018 #152

We don't need division for crying outloud. Unity, Unity! olegramps Jul 2018 #155

Sanders Democrats want to bring the functions of ICE under some authority Sophia4 Jul 2018 #136

well stated ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #139

Tim Ryan makes around $147K vi5 Jul 2018 #145

Plz,,,,,,,These crooks would work with no salary,,,, Cryptoad Jul 2018 #157

you can almost support a family in the Boston area ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #158

Oh, I know that.... vi5 Jul 2018 #167

A little bit strange today... BittyJenkins Jul 2018 #151

. Squinch Jul 2018 #154

yeah, again, I'm not sure the threads (like mine) are the problem ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #159

You may not be sure, but most of the rest of us are. Squinch Jul 2018 #166

+1. (n/t) FreepFryer Jul 2018 #201

Thank you for keeping track of these type of threads, I've been seeing more of them also uponit7771 Jul 2018 #172

I guess losing it all in 16 wasn't enough...more losing with this sort of post. Demsrule86 Jul 2018 #161

America is not a leftist country, will never be one, we are a beachbum bob Jul 2018 #162

"There's a lot of people that just don't really like protests and don't like yelling and screaming, riversedge Jul 2018 #164

isn't that nuts? ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #165

Think it would be helpful if the "terrified" Dems worried about their own districts bigbrother05 Jul 2018 #170

Bingo! MineralMan Jul 2018 #177

Can we cut the decisive crap? we can do it Jul 2018 #188

Dah Komrade! whistler162 Jul 2018 #191

Lol! Squinch Jul 2018 #200

I call BULL on the OP.. We have Dems All Over the Country Actually HELPING PEOPLE... & No One is Cha Jul 2018 #196

Journalism School Drop Out That I am Dyedinthewoolliberal Jul 2018 #202

that was my own not subtle attempt at humor ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #205

Tim Ryan is a fool if he thinks he has a chance to be President. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #203

I think he's just an attention getter mvd Jul 2018 #204

We need to be more aggressive in taking credit for liberal beliefs. LiberalFighter Jul 2018 #209

Kiss the mid-terms good-bye Adrahil Jul 2018 #206

Their strategy is nothing new. AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #211

Sanders never accomplished jack, get real man. lol. nt BootinUp Jul 2018 #212

Exactly. Cha Jul 2018 #219

This message was self-deleted by its author Oneironaut Jul 2018 #216

I'm not terrified by the "Sanders wing." Just tired of them. EffieBlack Jul 2018 #222

+Millions! Cha Jul 2018 #223

"Terrified moderate Dems terrified" betsuni Jul 2018 #226

"Terrified!!!!!111" Cha Jul 2018 #228

Terrified of things that "might actually help people." betsuni Jul 2018 #231

Right.. well, that's what they're tying to push Cha Jul 2018 #234

Expecting the wealthy to pay their employees living wages TexasBushwhacker Jul 2018 #227

The incomparable Charlie Pierce: shanny Jul 2018 #229

+1 AtomicKitten Jul 2018 #233

Thank you ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #240

"Abolishing ICE" is a nonstarter position jmowreader Jul 2018 #244

ICE is only 15 years old ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #245

You miss the point entirely... brooklynite Jul 2018 #247

It is certainly a problem of both leadership and structure ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #249

La Migra was just as bad as ICE jmowreader Jul 2018 #248

call it what you will ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #250

What you would like... jmowreader Jul 2018 #251

Or even just any immigration security with adult supervision ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #261

You know who's pushing this Pro-Sander's message? Bernie Sanders.. brooklynite Jul 2018 #252

False hyperbole...no demoract is fearful but we do know how easy it is for beachbum bob Jul 2018 #256

The Sanders' Wing. Like the Buffalo Wing, but more terrifying. betsuni Jul 2018 #259

please don't attack any "wings" of D votes, we can't fly without wings. we need them ALL. Sunlei Jul 2018 #266

agreed, we should just let these Democrats ProfessorPlum Jul 2018 #268