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65. But, that is true of people in general and not just males.

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Tue Aug 28, 2018, 10:17 AM

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After the Jacksonville Shooting, We Need to Talk About White Male Rage [View all] Soph0571 Aug 2018 OP

Toxic masculinity is at the root of so many problems. ariadne0614 Aug 2018 #1

Great article! Dead on. Especially on the Wapo coverage of it. It infuriated me. Squinch Aug 2018 #2

You will enjoy this article also... Soph0571 Aug 2018 #3

Virtually all of these shooters are known to be dangerous by someone... Sancho Aug 2018 #4

Actually there is, and the government as well as his family failed to use it Lee-Lee Aug 2018 #12

I appreciate you explaining that so clearly. Kittycow Aug 2018 #82

I am a white male full of rage HopeAgain Aug 2018 #5

Big time. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #59

You sound like an enlightened ally to me. ariadne0614 Aug 2018 #144

K&R ck4829 Aug 2018 #6

" But that's the result of creating a society... Mister Ed Aug 2018 #7

As we stand on an ecological brink, they still think they are superior & should be in charge. CrispyQ Aug 2018 #90

Yep, and some of the ones who don't get to do the taking can't take it and end up taking it out... brush Aug 2018 #108

Amen WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #8

Hard to actually do I would think n/t el_bryanto Aug 2018 #24

Not hard WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #45

Well now I've never been to Stormfront or 4 Chan el_bryanto Aug 2018 #52

hahaha WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #56

4chan does a LOT more than provide a forum to right wingers Calista241 Aug 2018 #69

OK WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #71

So, i'll cop to being a huge nerd that likes science fiction. Calista241 Aug 2018 #75

"Warhammer 40k lore addiction". Sounds oddly familiar. Decoy of Fenris Aug 2018 #111

Nice username. ;) Calista241 Aug 2018 #139

I'll refrain from memeing further. :P Decoy of Fenris Aug 2018 #141

Fuck Erebus. Calista241 Aug 2018 #147

Crap. I think he heard you. Decoy of Fenris Aug 2018 #148

Would you advocate the same for non-white persons who display any hint of race based prejudice? Marengo Aug 2018 #42

????? WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #43

You didn't answer the question. Try again. Marengo Aug 2018 #44

Sorry about that I misunderstood WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #48

Was Syed Farook white? Omar Mateen? Aaron Alexis? Seung-Hui Cho? John Allen Muhammad? Marengo Aug 2018 #54

Oh WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #55

You are advocating life imprisonment of individuals with no criminal record based on gender, Marengo Aug 2018 #60

hahaha WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #64

Wow sarisataka Aug 2018 #74

Shocking when the shoe is put on the other foot, isn't it? Squinch Aug 2018 #103

wow WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #104

I get it, the fix is easy sarisataka Aug 2018 #114

hahaha WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #121

Yes that will do for now sarisataka Aug 2018 #123

This conversation has been a gas to follow. Decoy of Fenris Aug 2018 #125

. sarisataka Aug 2018 #128

I think you're bit extreme, hold on there WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #126

You have not been talking about the letter of the law sarisataka Aug 2018 #130

Big data WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #133

Given the choice between a world sarisataka Aug 2018 #135

Fair enough WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #137

When there is Injustice against the demographic sarisataka Aug 2018 #110

I don't understand? WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #120

I'm not surprised you would be confused. Those who promote fascist policies generally are... Marengo Aug 2018 #127

That's not very nice WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #136

You wrote: "As a society, this would be easy. Round them up, jail them and throw away the key" Marengo Aug 2018 #76

Oh WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #91

Reinhard Heydrich will be calling, he thinks you'd be a great fit for his organization. Marengo Aug 2018 #115

Who is that? WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #122

Please tell me you are joking. Marengo Aug 2018 #129

hahaha WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #131

I'm glad sarisataka Aug 2018 #124

It's something I would expect to see on Stormfront, not DU. Marengo Aug 2018 #132

It isn't aginst the law to demonstrate racism/white supremecy wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #70

huh? WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #107

The Jacksonville shooter displayed no political leanings RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #152

Oh WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #156

Because being schizophrenic is not illegal RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #157

True WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #160

There's punishment for mental illness where you are? RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #162

Now you're being facetious.. WestIndianArchie Aug 2018 #164

Silly Rabbit genxlib Aug 2018 #9

White males are often enraged by women, immigrants, minorities, etc. IronLionZion Aug 2018 #10

So you think a guy with a mental illness wouldn't have benefitted from more mental health treatment mythology Aug 2018 #40

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2018 #119

The mental health movement is largely ignored on DU RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #153

People who seek mental health treatment are often bullied for appearing weak IronLionZion Aug 2018 #165

Issue is privilege, not coddling. Need to raise whites and males as equals, not supreme. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Aug 2018 #11

It's both, they aren't mutually exclusive and it becomes a feedback loop. PunkinPi Aug 2018 #16

K&R PunkinPi Aug 2018 #13

Where do these men get this message? LittleGirl Aug 2018 #14

It may be hard to see because, as they say, you're soaking in it. WhiskeyGrinder Aug 2018 #37

thank you for that. LittleGirl Aug 2018 #50

There are studies of teachers that find boys get many more TIMES Squinch Aug 2018 #84

You know, LittleGirl Aug 2018 #149

Also, look up the Bechdel rule about women's roles in films. Squinch Aug 2018 #87

Ridiculous article. Sanctimonious crap. Trust Buster Aug 2018 #15

This post for the win Watchfoxheadexplodes Aug 2018 #17

Toxic masculinity has dominated pro gaming for years, and they are almost all white Tarc Aug 2018 #20

Post removed Post removed Aug 2018 #21

"crickets"... Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #36

Those crickets certainly got noisy, eh? LanternWaste Aug 2018 #83

Crickets certainly do give thorough, informative answers these days. Squinch Aug 2018 #88

I trust the crickets over the paid hacks. YMMV n/t. Fix The Stupid Aug 2018 #93

This message was self-deleted by its author Squinch Aug 2018 #95

I lulzed. Why don't you go ahead and rebut all those crickets. Squinch Aug 2018 #96

This thread is not about that. spicysista Aug 2018 #57

Oppression. Lack of opportunity. A multi-tiered legal system. NCTraveler Aug 2018 #61

Actually, sociologists do identify toxic masculinity as part of a "gang culture" mentality. haele Aug 2018 #66

could be; though likely more complex than that treestar Aug 2018 #86

And yet there have been hundreds of these tournaments RhodeIslandOne Aug 2018 #151

Your point doesn't override mine, they can both be in play. Tarc Aug 2018 #166

Yeah, well. At least he had access to all the guns and ammo he wanted, right? Paladin Aug 2018 #22

So do Americans of all colors, right ? Trust Buster Aug 2018 #23

Yeah, that's the hallmark of this country's mass murderers, all right: Paladin Aug 2018 #25

I live in Chicago. I had to roll my eyes at the op. Hassin Bin Sober Aug 2018 #39

If a black man is stopped by a cop and is found to be carrying, what Squinch Aug 2018 #94

Terribly off topic. Trust Buster Aug 2018 #97

Not really. You said every race has equal access to guns. I say they don't. Squinch Aug 2018 #98

Thank you! LuvNewcastle Aug 2018 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Aug 2018 #27

What kind of "fragility" would explain the explosive minority shootings that happen in major cities Trust Buster Aug 2018 #28

Perceived oppression promotes fragility. Real oppression really promotes fragility. Marcuse Aug 2018 #46

So, you are saying that all males believe that they "control and command" the universe ? Trust Buster Aug 2018 #47

Most of us can control and command our selfish instincts most of the time. Marcuse Aug 2018 #63

But, that is true of people in general and not just males. Trust Buster Aug 2018 #65

Yes, but we are discussing the people who strike out and why. Marcuse Aug 2018 #150

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Aug 2018 #51

So I can't honestly disagree with an OP that opens up a huge umbrella by suggesting that a Trust Buster Aug 2018 #58

You have a disagreement because you can't see the white male privilege Squinch Aug 2018 #92

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Aug 2018 #138

Clearly you do see it. I can understand how some don't, but Squinch Aug 2018 #142

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Aug 2018 #145

I'm a woman and I didn't see it at first either. For years. Maybe till my late thirties. Squinch Aug 2018 #154

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Aug 2018 #161

That reflection technique is great! Not a technique, but that Bechdel test that I referred to Squinch Aug 2018 #163

Calling Someone RobinA Aug 2018 #146

How many schizophrenic women have gone on shooting sprees? Squinch Aug 2018 #155

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Aug 2018 #140

Why, I think we have a very instructive example right in this thread! Squinch Aug 2018 #89

Lol! Funny how you edited that! It was a bit blatant. Squinch Aug 2018 #105

Criminals commit crimes against those closest to them. White criminals as well. brush Aug 2018 #112

I knew this would happen. zanana1 Aug 2018 #29

Courage ? The OP painted with a broad brush with respect to a 24 year old with past mental Trust Buster Aug 2018 #30

I think that was an example of white fragility. nt zanana1 Aug 2018 #32

What was an example of white fragility ? Trust Buster Aug 2018 #33

LOL! Squinch Aug 2018 #159

What is your guess on the percentage of mass killers being white males? It's pretty high. brush Aug 2018 #116

Thank you Calculating Aug 2018 #67

You're right DavidDvorkin Aug 2018 #134

What is the source of thie rage? Lonestarblue Aug 2018 #18

This kid was mentally ill. cate94 Aug 2018 #19

Of course. So were the umpteen other white males who shot up crowds. Squinch Aug 2018 #99

No, really read his history. cate94 Aug 2018 #117

Lots of anger, lots of rage. PatrickforO Aug 2018 #31

Capitalism has turned our economy into a zero sum game Calculating Aug 2018 #73

Is it "Fortnight" or something that is recruiting alt-righters? Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #34

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Aug 2018 #53

In this case yes. But, the alt-right is using war games online to inculcate Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author sfwriter Aug 2018 #143

Careful. As many people play Fortnite as voted in 2016. Decoy of Fenris Aug 2018 #62

I'm not sure if that was the game. I read where some alt-right messiah has Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #79

I mean, I can give my gaming anecdotes, but that's far from gospel truth, of course. Decoy of Fenris Aug 2018 #101

Thanks. i try to click on as few as possible on the internet. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #106

I can't say I blame you. Links are always suspect. Decoy of Fenris Aug 2018 #109

Thanks for boiling that down. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #113

As with all things, it's more nuanced than what I posted, but it's almost impossible to sum up. Decoy of Fenris Aug 2018 #118

Worth Thinking About Roy Rolling Aug 2018 #35

yep....if people carry guns people will use them yes small percentage dembotoz Aug 2018 #68

Not that different than the rage from the Oval Office. gordianot Aug 2018 #38

Obviously our laws are ineffective. Goodheart Aug 2018 #41

I would ignore most of the responces to this thread. They are usually not reasoned or lawful. wasupaloopa Aug 2018 #72

... Major Nikon Aug 2018 #49

Let's be honest: who amongst us hasn't sometimes wanted to go on a shooting spree struggle4progress Aug 2018 #77

I'm going on record with a big NOT ME. on this one. Crutchez_CuiBono Aug 2018 #81

Super Predators are they? jalan48 Aug 2018 #80

No surprise the violent, young, white male is again described as "troubled." LanternWaste Aug 2018 #85

There is no ONE thing that we should be talking about. Caliman73 Aug 2018 #100

Sure do... thanks for posting. InAbLuEsTaTe Aug 2018 #102

Says some fat guy at 'the daily banter'. Bonx Aug 2018 #158