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Awsi Dooger

(14,565 posts)
31. Very good summary
Wed Aug 29, 2018, 11:10 PM
Aug 2018

For reference purposes, the Florida exit polls from 2014 and 2016:

* 2014 midterm: 40% self-identified conservatives, 22% liberals
* 2016 presidency: 36% self-identified conservatives, 25% liberals.

At face value that's a shift of 3-4% each way, but keep in mind 2014 was a heavy GOP advantage nationwide. That won't apply to 2018 which figures to be a Democratic slant. So although I'm not sure we can have a 36/25 split like a Florida presidential norm, it shouldn't be too far away. And not out of the question it does resemble a presidential ideological share.

If so, then Gillum has a huge chance. Trump only managed 48.6% in Florida. Never lose sight of those numbers. The guy won despite 46% nationwide and in one pivotal state after another he did not reach 50%. If the Republican candidates mirror the Trump slice then one after another is going down. Scott only managed 48% during reelection in 2014. It's not as if these Florida Republicans have been establishing 53 or 55% and we have to shove them down a half dozen points or more.

Otherwise, racism may not be a prevalent as misogyny. I mentioned in the Florida forum two weeks ago that the white nutcases I have known for 35 years dating to Las Vegas are more accepting of voting for a scandal plagued black male than a traditional white woman. It sounds out of whack but that's the way they think. Women in positions of power are threatening to them.

Besides, the white split has been like 68-32 recently. How much lower can it go? I view it like Trump approval rating. We may wish that into the 20s but it's not happening. Likewise I'm sure right wingers wish and believe that Democratic white split into the 20s. It's not happening. If a charismatic well spoken guy like Gillum runs a solid campaign and connects with the working class whites willing to listen, he may gain a couple of unexpected points.

Keep in mind that most voters expected Hillary to win in 2016. There is kind of an under reported reflexive desire to split government. So many of those voters who ended up with Trump in 2016 without much conviction could easily shift back to Democrats in statewide and federal races in 2018, likewise without much conviction but it simply feels like the right thing to do. Not all of this is ultra sophisticated. I know that from hosting debate watching parties for many years and listening carefully to all the discussions. That split government theme came up all the time, far more often than it is touted on political programs.

Also, Hispanics need to show up. They were 18% of the Florida electorate in 2016 but only 13% during the 2014 midterm. That difference accounted for the white share at 69% in 2014 compared to 62% in Florida 2016. Blacks were 14% each time.

Hispanic women were 10% of the Florida vote in 2016 but only 6% in 2014. They outnumbered Hispanic males in 2016 but were lower than Hispanic males in 2014. And that is representative of our biggest problem by far in midterms every time -- Democratic leaning women simply don't bother to show up, especially young single women.

He has to get out the African American vote janterry Aug 2018 #1
The Hispanic vote in FL is much larger SkyDancer Aug 2018 #2
Many Latinos in Florida are conservative. While Gillum does need to win a majority... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #8
On CNN just now SkyDancer Aug 2018 #9
Actually, Puerto Rico is socially conservative ehrnst Aug 2018 #42
He did get out the African American vote- ehrnst Aug 2018 #6
Ex-Actly, ehrnst! Just what I was thinking! Cha Aug 2018 #27
It's going to be tough, but I think it can be done Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2018 #3
Gillum/Graham ticket? RandySF Aug 2018 #4
Any Florida Democrat who doesn't vote for our nominee mcar Aug 2018 #24
Florida is not Mississippi. Even the panhandle has blue areas GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #5
How about a Gillum/Graham ticket? RandySF Aug 2018 #16
That would be our best hope GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #22
Gwen Graham's been the best! Cha Aug 2018 #28
Last week I suggested a Graham- Gillum ticket csziggy Aug 2018 #32
Clean up in Dade Broward and duval MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #7
He should be able to run ahead in the I-4. Blue_true Aug 2018 #12
He grew up in Gainesville so that helps MaryMagdaline Aug 2018 #18
Florida in mid-terms is typically red and more purple in presidential years. So... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #10
Yep. Middle class and higher vote at a high rate. GulfCoast66 Aug 2018 #23
It's certainly to our advantage (one would think) that FL, GA, KS and OK have all... Garrett78 Aug 2018 #37
Very good summary Awsi Dooger Aug 2018 #31
Good info. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #38
Old Dems showing up as usual, young Dems showing up for a change. gulliver Aug 2018 #11
He will have to win the youth vote and drive up minority turnout. OrlandoDem2 Aug 2018 #13
I agree with all your points. yardwork Aug 2018 #43
Florida rso Aug 2018 #14
Yes, but our turnout in presidential years is stronger relative to Republicans. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #15
Florida rso Aug 2018 #19
Yes. It helps immensely that Trump's preferred candidates keep winning. Garrett78 Aug 2018 #20
This message was self-deleted by its author rzemanfl Aug 2018 #21
Obama-Romney was extremely close in Florida oberliner Aug 2018 #40
Broward County. FM123 Aug 2018 #17
He needs to pull Hillary's numbers but turn around the Cuban-american vote Takket Aug 2018 #25
Guns and Glades GusBob Aug 2018 #26
Yes on both counts Algernon Moncrieff Aug 2018 #36
Yes I dunno, Randy. You're the one in the know. What do YOU think? hedda_foil Aug 2018 #29
I pnly have a general idea of Florida. That's why I asked. RandySF Aug 2018 #30
I think Gillum has some trends going in his favor DemocraticSocialist8 Aug 2018 #33
This is much greater opportunity than Georgia or Texas races Awsi Dooger Aug 2018 #34
Hard to say. Stacey Abrams is a much better campaigner. RandySF Aug 2018 #35
Than Gillum? oberliner Aug 2018 #41
I don't care about campaigner compared to ideology of the state Awsi Dooger Aug 2018 #46
It is pretty clear quaker bill Aug 2018 #39
It's possible that it might be a little different this year. yardwork Aug 2018 #44
you will get no argument from me quaker bill Aug 2018 #45
Same as Obama's in Florida JCMach1 Aug 2018 #47
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