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106. Sanders supporters by the numbers were more loyal to the party then were Hillary supporters in 2008

Mon Sep 3, 2018, 09:02 PM

Sep 2018

By a 2:1 margin.

Depending on which stats you use in the studies mentioned either 94% or 88% of Sanders primary voters voted for the nominee, Hillary. Versus only 76% of Hillary voters who voted for Senator Obama in 2008. Relative to recent elections the number of Sanders voters who voted for the nominee when their candidate lost was high.

The study concludes that these Sanders - tRump voters were not Democrats to begin with and were never going to vote for Hillary

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2017/08/24/did-enough-bernie-sanders-supporters-vote-for-trump-to-cost-clinton-the-election/

We got our asses kicked by trump for a myriad of reasons in states that Democrat should not have lost.

Voter turnout was the lowest in 20 years.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/wp/2016/11/10/why-did-trump-win-in-part-because-voter-turnout-plunged/

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Why is Kavanaugh getting a hearing? Why? [View all] onecaliberal Sep 2018 OP

You have to ask Watchfoxheadexplodes Sep 2018 #1

Republicans are hiding his papers. I'm sick of us rolling over. We yawn while the right constantly onecaliberal Sep 2018 #4

Rolling over? manor321 Sep 2018 #5

55,000 votes in PA, WI, and MI DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 #8

They did? You mean the ones on the computer in Russia? Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #22

+1000 Anon-C Sep 2018 #62

They did? You mean the ones on the computer in Russia? LenaBaby61 Sep 2018 #79

This didn't start with the 2016 presidential race EffieBlack Sep 2018 #133

DO we have proof of this? fallout87 Sep 2018 #83

google it? Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #84

I just did and nothing from a Mainstream source comes up fallout87 Sep 2018 #86

There is no proof that the Russians changed, or added votes, john657 Sep 2018 #87

I didn't think we did... fallout87 Sep 2018 #93

A few in particular, but when you ask them for proof or links to john657 Sep 2018 #96

How would Ruskies on computers change vote totals? AncientGeezer Sep 2018 #111

They wouldn't and there's no proof john657 Sep 2018 #114

Preachin' to the choir AncientGeezer Sep 2018 #120

18 percent of the electorate voted for Trump Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #108

Democratic voters showed up at the polls. Hillary got 3 million Autumn Sep 2018 #135

It's not the Senate Dems who are rolling over - it was Dem voters who rolled over in 2010 and 2014 EffieBlack Sep 2018 #13

+1, exactly. n/t FSogol Sep 2018 #52

Thanks DonCoquixote Sep 2018 #54

The Democrats do not have the votes to block a hearing Gothmog Sep 2018 #90

They control the Senate, in part because we failed to support some Dems we disparagingly pnwmom Sep 2018 #18

Joe Manchin again? Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #23

It's why we need Joe Manchin. If we lost him we'd be one vote even farther from the majority. pnwmom Sep 2018 #32

Manchin and two other Democrats voted to confirm Gorsuch. Bluepinky Sep 2018 #41

Gorsuch had enough votes without their votes. So when the Senate majority leader allowed pnwmom Sep 2018 #43

That makes sense, I actually heard that at the time. Bluepinky Sep 2018 #85

Some folks refuse to learn this Eliot Rosewater Sep 2018 #102

Yes but, thankfully, they're Democrats. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #50

Their votes meant nothing except to dispel the idea that Dems are 100% partisan. bettyellen Sep 2018 #72

You get it, bettyellen. A progressive's progressive wouldn't be electable there. pnwmom Sep 2018 #78

Vote with their party? john657 Sep 2018 #80

You are making too much sense Bradshaw3 Sep 2018 #56

This should be fun to watch Kilgore Sep 2018 #77

If you are sick of it, why are you rolling over? Kaleva Sep 2018 #137

because the GOP has 51 votes dsc Sep 2018 #2

Math continues to be undefeated. Pope George Ringo II Sep 2018 #53

Perfect! EffieBlack Sep 2018 #61

It's rare when someone online gets me to actually chuckle out loud. Well done. n/t Decoy of Fenris Sep 2018 #104

50 beats 49. DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2018 #3

A president under criminal investigation should not ever be able to nominate anyone for a lifetime. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #6

That is not the precedence at140 Sep 2018 #10

He was under investigation for lying about a blow job, not treason. Nothing related to his onecaliberal Sep 2018 #11

I guess lying about anything in court at140 Sep 2018 #20

So they were the same in your mind...and Breyer turned out to be evidence of same? Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #29

Clinton is the reason I could retire early at140 Sep 2018 #66

You speak the truth here. N/T john657 Sep 2018 #82

You're absolutely right onecalliberal. Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #24

You are correct. bronxiteforever Sep 2018 #31

True. But there's nothing in the constitution that says this. And that's what we're stuck with pnwmom Sep 2018 #33

Yes, not even a close comparison. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #51

Because they, the GOP, can. They might not get the opportunity to ever again. Freethinker65 Sep 2018 #7

Because elections have consequences bottomofthehill Sep 2018 #9

Thank you. EffieBlack Sep 2018 #17

What ARE the consequences for illegitimate ones? And when does the court injunct?) all action until Crutchez_CuiBono Sep 2018 #37

Thank you for articulating my thoughts so much better than I did. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #49

So what exactly would you propose to fight this? Bradshaw3 Sep 2018 #58

The Dems should be screaming from the roof. On every show, do not attend the hearing onecaliberal Sep 2018 #59

So mass protests and screaming on tv are the answer? Bradshaw3 Sep 2018 #60

It's gotten us here. Completely fucked onecaliberal Sep 2018 #63

Nowhere in my posts did I say anything like that Bradshaw3 Sep 2018 #81

Your point is do nothing. I'm not advocating for that. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #91

No that wasn't my point at all so you did it again Bradshaw3 Sep 2018 #95

Onecaliberal doesn't like your answer because it's based in fact and not in emotion like theirs is. bearsfootball516 Sep 2018 #105

Thank you Bradshaw3 Sep 2018 #130

Screaming on tv is a strategy? EffieBlack Sep 2018 #64

exactly. The election was aberrant. Perhaps extra-constitutional. It needs to be adjudicated... Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #109

Has anyone in authority, say the Judicial Branch, john657 Sep 2018 #115

I guess you've forgotten about the birther lawsuits onenote Sep 2018 #116

Is there a Finding of an "illegitimate " election? AncientGeezer Sep 2018 #113

Sanders supporters by the numbers were more loyal to the party then were Hillary supporters in 2008 CentralMass Sep 2018 #106

Can't we file a lawsuit halting the hearings until the requested documents have been obtained Bluepinky Sep 2018 #12

We can't filibuster -- the rules were changed to prevent that. And there is no basis for a lawsuit. pnwmom Sep 2018 #15

Senators are required to advise re: any Supreme Court nominee. Bluepinky Sep 2018 #26

As long as there is a quorum TexasTowelie Sep 2018 #70

As long as a majority of Senators feel that they have adequately advised, that's all that matters, pnwmom Sep 2018 #88

This. I just wonder what they're doing. I don't see them doing anything to try and stop it. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #16

Be specific about what you think they could be doing that they aren't mythology Sep 2018 #39

Can you name one single thing they can do to stop it? GulfCoast66 Sep 2018 #68

"I just wonder what they're doing " lunasun Sep 2018 #107

we can file a lawsuit and it will be dismissed as quickly as the birther suits were dismissed onenote Sep 2018 #118

Because we lost the majority when we failed to support some DINO's in a crucial election. pnwmom Sep 2018 #14

But at least they taught Obama a lesson, didn't they? EffieBlack Sep 2018 #19

Exactly right. Purists... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #28

Vermont-style politicians can't even win in Maine -- so we're stuck with "moderate" Susan Collins. pnwmom Sep 2018 #34

Susan Collins is "MINO" - moderate in name only, she votes with republicans 90% of the time. George II Sep 2018 #55

Yes -- why I put "moderate" in quotes. She isn't really. n/t pnwmom Sep 2018 #75

"Vermont-style politicians." Must it always revert to Bernie Sanders? Bluepinky Sep 2018 #35

It's about reality and strategy and regaining the majority... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #40

Yes, but don't lecture us on DU. Bluepinky Sep 2018 #42

Many do... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #47

"Those who cannot learn from history are doomed to repeat it." George II Sep 2018 #98

Classy response, Bluepinky saidsimplesimon Sep 2018 #57

Remembering history brer cat Sep 2018 #92

"Primary the Fuckers!" was the battle cry of many here not just a few years ago. Kaleva Sep 2018 #94

Indeed it was. Many could benefit from a lecture and... NurseJackie Sep 2018 #97

Seeing the effects first hand of not having control of either chamber when... Kaleva Sep 2018 #100

Because too many Dems sat on their cabooses in critical elections and didn't VOTE!! lastlib Sep 2018 #21

Because Jill stein voters made it so beachbum bob Sep 2018 #25

Because Mitch McConnell is running the show and they've got the numbers. Vinca Sep 2018 #27

Indeed. The founders did envision a trump, but not a Republican Congress who would allow it. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #30

If no Democrats show up for hearings or a vote, could they hold them? Bluepinky Sep 2018 #36

Unfortunately they can be held - a quorum is simply a majority of Senators. George II Sep 2018 #44

This wasn't Harry Reid's doing EffieBlack Sep 2018 #65

Because the Republicans get... Mike Nelson Sep 2018 #38

Voter apathy SHRED Sep 2018 #45

Amy said yesterday it was because if they walked out they wouldn't be able to ask questions. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #46

They need to ask him tough questions and get him on the record EffieBlack Sep 2018 #67

Very good Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #129

All well and good, john657 Sep 2018 #131

Not showing up at a hearing is not a "drastic out-of-the-box emergency type tactic." EffieBlack Sep 2018 #132

I agree with this Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #134

Walking out is NOT a "drastic out-of-the-box tactic" and it accomplishes nothing other than giving EffieBlack Sep 2018 #136

Whatever. You think you are right I think I am right. Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2018 #138

Because the media only ruffles the feathers of Democrats in power Mr. Ected Sep 2018 #48

Why is the Democratic Party continually attached on DU for republican actions? GulfCoast66 Sep 2018 #69

Good question. InAbLuEsTaTe Sep 2018 #73

Because we failed to regulate the private money that has bought him the necessary votes. Orsino Sep 2018 #71

Which means th constitution is outdated, and contains no protection for working Americans onecaliberal Sep 2018 #74

Change it. AncientGeezer Sep 2018 #112

We've made progress and here we are watching ALL of it go down the drain. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #119

And that's why it's imperative that we GOTV in Nov. john657 Sep 2018 #121

The Dumpster doesn't have that power...to make "ALL of it go down the drain". AncientGeezer Sep 2018 #122

If Kavanaugh gets on the court, it won't be long. onecaliberal Sep 2018 #128

The GOP is in charge. And they set the agenda. eom guillaumeb Sep 2018 #76

Because voters stayed home during 2014 midterms Gothmog Sep 2018 #89

this. + JHan Sep 2018 #99

From the Hoarse Whisperer Gothmog Sep 2018 #139

Republicans are Pretending they Believe in Democracy dlk Sep 2018 #101

They don't.... AncientGeezer Sep 2018 #123

Gee, perhaps it has something to do with 2016, and why enough self-identified progressives they still_one Sep 2018 #103

It seems only two things could stop this. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #110

Let me respond. john657 Sep 2018 #117

but mass demonstrations will lay the marker for the election that Dems SUPPORTED.. Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #124

This message was self-deleted by its author john657 Sep 2018 #125

why are you dissing the French for being expert at demonstrations in the street? Grasswire2 Sep 2018 #126

Sorry, I took your post to mean that the French capitulated easily. john657 Sep 2018 #127

The Democrats are fighting hard to stop this process but lacks the vote Gothmog Sep 2018 #140

Because RandiFan1290 Sep 2018 #141